I've just seen it for the first time, and I absolutely loved it, the ending may have been a bit of a let down, and it may be the whisky talking, but...
I want to be friends with Bill Murray
I want to marry Scarlett Johansson
I want to go to Tokyo
That is all, if Film Four continue to show such great films, then this could be the start of a beautiful relationship...
Is it wrong to have a relationship with a TV channel?, DiScuss
great movie
I have it on dvd.Need to see it a few times,there's lots of subtle little bits that you miss first time.
Is Film Four going to be free permanately then?
Yup...
permanently free...
Sexy Beast is on now:D
excellent news
Sky Movies seem to show a lot of crap and Paramount show the same stuff week after week.Do people really want to see Coming To America once a week? Just because it's the same company and they have the license to broadcast.grrr
No
I think film four is going to save me.
Ive got another 2 or 3 weeks to kill, and i cant think of a better way than watching films 12 hours a day
same here,
first time i've seen it. Love the MBV soundtracks and i have to go to Tokyo!
I rarely go to the cinemas here and too lazy to rent dvds. So this channel could introduce me to some good films that I've been missing out :)
Ditto...
The soundtrack was quality
here's what you should definitely
watch in the next week on filmfour:
tomorrow - duck soup, strictly ballroom
tuesday - elizabeth, voyage to italy
wednesday - madness of king george
thursday - african queen, road to perdition, internal affairs
friday - apocalypse now, live flesh
saturday - wolf creek
why on earth
they've decided to show ghostworld twice in the first week considering the amount of films they could show i've no idea, i guess its to appeal to all the emo/goth kids.
Huh!
there's more to ghost world than its goth/emo appeal!
Yeh!
there's blues, grass roots, rag time
They are going to be repeating alot of films
every week, it's a regular thing, not just Ghost World, Lost In Translation is going to be on again on Friday.
Great film
Also, the ending is totally not a letdown. It's actually perfect.
(Although I realise this is another one of those points of division amongst everyone who's seen this film... not too long before someone comes in this thread and says it's awful because "nothing happens")
it's rubbish
nothing happens
See
Nah i love it too
i love love love the twinkly song right near the end when enid is in her room, it sounds like a childrens nursery rhyme, i'd LOVE to find out who it is and listen to it NOW!
i also fucking
love this film. real sublte love story, and the ending IS amazing. the way he whispers something in her ear that you dont hear. and the kevinshields soundtracks good too, aswell as the gorgeous cinemtography. that and eternal sunshine are as close to perfect cinema as you can get.
It's OK
But for a film with such pretensions of subtlety, it isn't half ham-fisted sometimes. See: Bill Murray's whiskey commercial (yes, Japanese people are not like American people) and the vacuous blonde actress. It would be nice if directors credited the audience with some intelligence.
But,
how could you show the division between East & West culture subtly when the gap between the two is anything *but* subtle? Also, I realise this is taste (and intelligence), but I think the film does credit the audience with intelligence.
Because I'm smart.
I don't like it.
hmm
it is pretentious, and very slightly racist. Still, I think it's funny and quite poignant.
what's the song at the beginning
when bill murray firsts arrives in the taxi, with the female vocals going 'aaaaah'?
Death in Vegas - Girl
N'est-ce pas?
i really enoyed that movie
i hope the standards will be just as high from now on.
Grr.
Stop rubbing it in you BASTARDS.
My Freeview doesn't work.
oui
merci
Lost in Translation
is probably the most overrated film ever. Bill Murray phones in the same performance from Rushmore, only LIT has none of the heart of that film.
I find it really hard to sympathise with a multi-millionaire actor and the wife of a famous photographer who has recently graduated from Harvard (or possibly Yale i can't remember).
Plus, I don’t meant to sound like a curmudgeon but Film 4 is gonna suck now its no longer Film Four. Firstly there are the adverts, which completely ruin the mood of films. Secondly, by looking at the listings for next week the change from Four to 4 also seems to mark a shift to the mainstream. Last week on Film Four Weekly they showed Michael Reeves’ Witchfinder General, but with the channel starting and ending earlier I doubt they will be able to show more extreme and obscure films like this.
true
its a bit like closer, are we meant to really sympathise with any of these rich, attractive, intelligent narcissists who can't keep their cocks/vaginas in their trousers/skirts?
Difficult one
But I don't think people become any less human the richer they get. Should my sympathy be inversely proprtional to someone's wealth?
well, i think
trying to elicit sympathy for a character's situation while they are swanking around the poshest hotel in japan might be pushing it.
Even the fact that they are IN Japan, a place 80% of the people i know will never be able to afford to go to leaves me annoyed.
Replace scarlet johansen with paris hilton, and it's basically the same story.
There are
different kinds of sympathy though.
I mean, I don't think we're ever asked to feel sorry for them exactly - just to recognise that these are two people who don't really know their place in the world and don't know what they can do about it.
Because LiT is so resolutely un-melodramatic I don't think it bothers me. If it was full of lingering close-ups on the characters' crying faces as they moped about the trials of being rich it would be different.
Maybe "empathy" is a better word.
Regardless
of their wealth, they were also quite unpleasant characters. For whatever reason, I found it hard to connect emotionally with the film. The same happened to me with Happy Together by Wong Kar-Wai, but at least that film was visually and stylistically innovative.
Plus doesn't it annoy you that Coppola wouldn't be allowed any where near a film set if her father wasn't who he was?
I couldn't relate to Scarlett Johansson's character at all
I've said it before but anyone who rings their mother for help 'cos they "went to a temple and didn't feel anything" really needs to get a grip on themselves and understand the kind of problems people have in the world.
I found her character to be spoilt and vacuous with no redeeming features and that did harm my view of the film.
More importantly I actually pretty much forgot the film whilst I was watching it which doesn't say much for it.
I do accept that it's probably one of these situations where, were the film less hyped, I wouldn't have been so disappointed and felt so negative about it but I think there are similar types of independent American film (for example Wonder Boys and Coppola's own Virgin Suicides) that are much more satisfying to watch.
Interesting thoughts
Do you really think she rang her mother to talk about the temple thing? The way she's so hesitant and doesn't know where she's going with it always suggested to me she was struggling to verbalise a much deeper feeling.
I also think people are very unforgiving about Charlotte because they see Coppola in her - i.e. she has lived a very priveleged life and they don't want to feel for her. Kind of tied up with not liking the film because of the hype. It's a no-win situation - if she writes sympathetic poor characters she gets lambasted for being an overgrown spoilt child who patronises the less well-off...
To be hoinest...
...I personally know little about Sofia Coppola and have no issue with her upbringing. The Virgin Suicides is a really good film and I was happy to go along and enjoy Lost in Translation but I didn't and my dislike of Charlotte (if that's the character's name) has very little to do with Coppola at all. I just found her spoil and whiny and couldn't feel for her.
There are plenty of other films (can't think of any right now tho!!!) that I enjoy with central characters from wealthy backgrounds and I don't think it would be impossible to make that character likable (or at least tolerable).
My guess is that it either came down to the character not being written sympathetically enough or it may simply be Scarlett Johnanssen's performance. She may simply be somebody that I just can't warm to.
I really liked it too.
I like Scarlett Johansson. She looks identical to a girl I know, who actually has dark hair.
Which is interesting.
I should talk about the film.
I found myself laughing out loud at a lot of it. I'm not sure if I was supposed to, but it was really intruiging.
I was glued. Despite the fact that not much does actually happen throughout the film, it kept me hooked for 2 hours straight.
At ATP
I met someone who looked EXACTLY like Scarlett Johansson. So much so that afterwards nice_squirrel came over to make sure it wasn't her.
I think you either love or hate Lost In Translation, and I personally love it.
Did you get her number?
If not, why not?
And if anyone was wondering...
1. Intro/Tokyo
2. City Girl - Kevin Shields
3. Fantino - Sebastian Tellier
4. Tommib - Squarepusher
5. Girls - Death In Vegas
6. Goodbye - Kevin Shields
7. Too Young - Phoenix
8. Kaze Wo Atsumete - Happy End
9. On The Subway - Brian Reitzell & Roger J Manning Jr
10. Ikebana - Kevin Shields
11. Sometimes - My Bloody Valentine
12. Alone In Kyoto - Air
13. Shibuya - Brian Reitzell & Roger J Manning Jr
14. Are You Awake? - Kevin Shields
15. Just Like Honey - The Jesus & Mary Chain
Copies
and pastes...
Cheers.
Yeah...
well it saves people having to look it up themselves, oder?
I wasn't being sarcastic...
Eek...
I love you wrighty
*apologies*
Oh ja...
have you heard the news about the Vines tour dates?
=D
It's okay...
But I couldn't really get into it. It had its funny moments but I prefer films that have a plot (now I wait on someone to tell me off about saying that). It was a 6/10.
I missed the last 20 odd minutes. So maybe it got really good.
I loved that Japanese guy singing God Aaved the Queen, he was great!
It doesn't get any better
If you don't like it up 'til that point it's pretty unlikely you'd change your mind.
I do get a bit hacked off by people who dislike people saying they prefer films with plots. Historically cinema's primairily a storytelling medium and I go there to see a good story being told. It doesn't need to be a big story, and much of what happens can be relatively minor in scope but it has to be a good story.
For me, LiT just doesn't work on that level.
With respect,
I don't think you can criticise the film on the grounds that you don't identify personally with the Johanssen character. Her feelings of confusion as regards her 'role' in life are pretty universal and I would have thought most people of 'our age' would identify with that. Her actual status seems quite irrelevant.
I think the major problem with it is indeed the ham-fisted (and perhaps thoroughly 'American') manner in which the Japanese people are portrayed. Other than that, I think it's a simple and stylish piece of cinema. And to criticise it for not having a plot is very strange. I think it has a very strong plot. Simple, perhaps, but strong. And there's plenty of great films that eschew conventional story-telling...
Really its strengths lie in the strong characterisation and subtle performances from the leads, and I found them very effective and sensitive.
^^^
yeh thats basically it. nice one bobby, articulate yourself well.
I can say
its one of my favourite films. I love the two leads, I love the setting, I love the subtlety, and the way its draws you in... for that ending. Its a timeless story in ways. I could empathise with one of the characters because they were at a similar stage in life that I was. The comedy makes me laugh more than most labelled comedies. And its probably my favourite soundtrack ever.
both threads on this
recently are making me want to watch it again.
i really enjoyed it when i saw it at the cinema, i got really involved in the storyline and left the cinema (it was about 2am) feeling emotionally deflated as it really resonated with me at the time.
also: wrightylew, i'm really glad you liked it, especially after you were slagging off the sort of people who said they liked it a few weeks ago ;o)
Interesting points made
I agree mainly with theguywithnousername I think.
I enjoyed the film but there's a very clinical aspect to it. It doesn't help that I think Johanssen looks incredibly average so it's hard for me to see why she'd have any hold over Murray's character.
I also prefer dialogue in a film in general. Even films that have great moments of visuals for me are best with their dialogue sections (2001: A Space Odyssey is a prime example of this I think).
I would watch it again but as someone said, I kind of don't remember much about it except for him doing the advert and the ending.
Oh Theo!
"looks incredibly average"?
I don't think the idea of a middle-aged, down-on-his-luck would-be actor being attracted to Scarlett Johanssen is a stretch of the imagination by any means!
Well she's quite dull from what I remember
I mean, she comes across as a person whose personality hasn't yet really developed.
I think you'd find a character like Murray's would be drawn by someone far more 'wild'. Hard to explain really.
I wasn't really sure what Murray's character saw him n her.
I think he would want someone with a bit more of a spark about them.
In relation to Bobby's point I'm not being catty or petty or anything like that but I would honestly say that I'm personally not attracted to Scarlett Johansson in the slightest. She genuinely doesn't do anything for me at all.
What the fuck was that heading?!?
I should have said
"I wasn't really sure what Murray's character saw in her".
I changed it half-way through and somehow have got a grammatical mess with a possibly Freudian meaning!
I sometimes wish I could edit posts.