on metal. most of it's total bollocks, but to be fair one can say that about any genre. what fucks me off about metal is that its fans have this attitude problem with regard to their music and what it means. commerical or "nu"-metal is essentially starsailor with power-chords, aimed at whiney suburbanite bedwetters who wish they were american and will go on hating their parents until they're well into their thirties. as for goths, while i've got no quarrel with the way they dress and so on it has to be said that they're just EXTREMELY BORING PEOPLE. when i was younger and more naive i found myself hanging around with them because i respected them for being different, but getting to know them i realised that the look was just compensating for their own innate boringness/possiblythickness. so yeah what i'm saying is i don't really like metallers.

the main difference betweenn me and metallers, with specific regard to music (and i guess we can put this aspect of it down to taste), is that i feel they can't or won't accept the idea that song being "heavy" is about more than volume knobs, intensity-of-growling or power chords. i'm not gonna try and define what it IS "about" because i'll just sound like a twat, but like here's some of the heaviest albums i've ever heard:

sonic youth - evol
joy division - unknown pleasures
nirvana - in utero
a certain ratio - the graveyard and the ballroom

oh yeah and when i see someone in baggy trousers and a massive keychain wearing a nirvana t-shirt i think wanker, cos i know those people have misappropriated said band and lumped them in with papa roach/limp bizkit or even worse guns n roses and they've obviously totally missed the point. and i also think twat.

arm injury? When Marty Friedman and Jason Becker of Cacophony split off the last one suffered the same problem and got paralytic..........then Friedman abandoned or was ousted (dunno!!!)from Megadeth and Mustaine got that............is he the 1 that brings bad luck????

Part Chimp made me sick once.
True.
Just with noise.
And you're right about com?... a nightmare on the tube when you turn up the quiet bit and then deafen the guys either side of you with NOISE.
Mmmm...

go get ephel duath's album, its superb- loads of mental thrashiness then it breaks into jazz, proper jazz too... better than others who do that. also jude the obscure, mental tunes that are so erratic but still hold it together, just. metals great. but really these kind of bands arnt what metals about, metals about dungeons, tanks, eagles, general destruction and women.

Merci beaucoup carrot_ram. Like I said though, I wouldn't really consider any of those bands to be proper metal. Isis and Pelican could almost be post rock. I suppose I could also include Dead Meadow on the grounds that they're blatantly influenced by Black Sabbath.