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The Tuesday DiScussion: Your perfect festival

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by Colin Roberts

With Truck fast becoming a mythical memory and a whole season of events still to go, DiS asks you to explore what truly makes a great music festival.

The gaping chasm between Reading/Leeds and Truck is becoming more and more pronounced as time progresses. The corporate sponsorship and mind-bogglingly inflated prices at the 'Carling Weekend' certainly appeal to a separate demographic to stalls run by the Rotary Club and a converted barn with a stage inside.

Reading, Leeds, Glastonbury, Download and T in the Park can all lay claim to the biggest headliners though. The flashiest lights, the most dazzling stage shows and the most effective security available. But is a festival just about having every chart-hugging indie act that has existed in the last five years sharing a stage? Is a festival about spending £3.50 for a pint of warm beer from a paper cup? Is a festival about taking every last valuable item from your tent, through fear of robbery?

The general public perception of festivals is mud, burning tents and drunken Marilyn Manson fans and having personally attended all of the events listed above, I can vouch for the validity of a lot of these claims.

However, festivals don't have to be like this. There doesn't have to be a logo on every blank space or a main stage to host 80,000 people. Just ask anyone that has attended Truck, Bestival, Green Man or any of the other smaller events on the calendar.

So, DiS asks, what is your idea of a perfect music festival? Where would it be? When would the music be on? What sort of music would play? How many people would be there?

We only ask because we're doing our own one next year...


I've said already

The past weekend at Truck was one of the greatest of my life. Sure, some of the bands were great but it really wasn't just about that. Obviously, lying back in the sun with a pint of lovely cider and some great music washing over you is amazing.

But on the whole, and the reason why Truck was so amazing, is the people that were there and the banter and the atmosphere this created. It really is.

I'm still looking forward to Reading and I think it will be great, but you're right, the difference is incredibly pronounced.


i think it all depends on what

you want to get out of it.
Truck is amazing for certain reasons, and the bigger corporate events are amazing for their own ones as well.

I love Truck because it's low key and relaxed. I love the fact that it's devoid of advertising and that 99% of the people there are absolutely lovely.

But bigger festivals have their plus points as well, not least the chance to get to see an abundance of acts that would normally cost £25/ticket in one place.

Personally, I'm staring to gravitate more towards smaller festivals, but I think that's due to the fact that I'm not 17 anymore and I'm not sure I can be arsed dealing with crowds of thieves and wankers at the bigger ones...


ooh

check you with the little teaser at the end.

come on then, more details please.
if there are any of course.

i'm sad to say that due to money constraints since i've become ubercool, i've only actually done reading a bunch of times, plus some metallish one dayers. next year when hopefully i have a paying job i'll be doing truck, ATP, glasto and now DISfest


i

missed out on truck this year due to the reasons that i didn't think it would completely sell out so quickly and lack of organisation. But I really enjoyed BukandSkit the last couple of years, It's a bit of a shame that there wasn't one this year though :(


well

the bands at this year's ATP2 + the unbelievable atmosphere and sense of fun at Truck = near perfection.

Obviously that sort of line-up would be hard to achieve but I'm pretty sure that any festival you lot organised would have a pretty good one. I think the number of people at this year's Truck was ideal, there's something really lovely about being able to bump into people you know every time you walk anywhere.

The only problem Truck had was the organisation of stages - too many non-entities on the main stage and too many very popular bands stuck in the barn or the trailer park. My perfect festival would probably have more than one outdoor stage too.

Truck stands out as the best weekend of an already amazing year for me.


mixture of stuff

but i think that's what makes truck unique. I was thinking about this last night. There really isn't any other festival out there that has the mixture of local acts combined with bigger acts all mixed up in a pile.

that exposure for the local acts at truck is really important.. and i hope there's always going to be few of them around to play.


i thought truck was ace.

but to be honest, i had way more fun at dour.
even though it was bigger and hotter and dusty, it really was essentially the perfect festival.
i liked the fact that the timing of the bands meant there were few clashes, and that, despite there being loads of people there, you could just walk to the front of the stage. it wasn't rammed, and i liked that.
plus, the line-up was brilliant and the food was awesome.


i agree.

more festivals should be like dour. most fun i've had at a festival in years.

for me the perfect festival has the sense of spontaneity/bizarreness/party-ness that any big festival with a happy, excited crowd willl have [which, much as i love truck, i do think it lacks... the fact that dour has the facilities to go on all night is a big part of this, whereas truck aren't able to do this..]

...with the creative/ethical/human approach of something like truck and the kind of line-ups that ATP can command. i like truck's approach to pricing, i like their friendly, helpful stewards and stall staff, and if that could be combined with incredible line-ups and the sort of universal, thrilling atmosphere you get at a good, big festival... so much the better.

the atmosphere is really important though - that's what takes it from being a good weekend with lots of bands you like, to being the sort of mad, wonderful, ridiculous weekend that gets immortalised in your memory.


in fairness...

there was still music at truck at 4am on Saturday and we were still out partying for most of the night on Sunday.


yeah

but the atmosphere at truck just always seems a little different. it's nice, very relaxed and friendly... but personally i prefer the kind of manic, must-do-and-see-a-million-things-now atmosphere i've felt at other festivals, where it feels much more like a party. bit difficult to describe it but maybe you get what i mean.


dour=perfect festival?

Probably not, the food was expensive, and water was hard to come by once in the arena itself.
But as a target to strive for, I'd say others could do worse than look at it. 6 stages, a relaxed atmosphere to getting to the front and a LiDL round the corner all combined to make sure I return next year.


yeah

the food/drink ticketing system was a touch annoying. don't know whether it was in place for licensing reasons or so stallholders didn't have to look after cash... not ideal, cos you ended up being short of tickets or having several that you couldn't use at the end of the festival. but not really the end of the world.

the sweet stalls were SUCH a great idea. they kept me awake in the small hours when my energy flagged. god bless those filthy red gelatine rats.

the chips, also, really were very good.


I had this very discussion with

my mates during Truck.

Here were my conclusions:-

READING/GLASTONBURY
The tiresome 25 minute walks to move between stages or to find your tent are really quite a downer. Also negotiating countless kids showering eachother with grass or water pistols gets on my tits big time.

TRUCK/ATP
Impossible to get lost (bonus!). Easy to move anywhere. The festival goers seems much more friendly and interesting.

I dont really care if the bands are big or small. As long as there is a decent mixture of styles and some of the bands fire in some good performances then I'm easy.

I honestly think next months Reading will be a MASSIVE disappointment after Truck.

Many more small festivals are needed.


impossible to get lost at ATP?

you try finding your chalet at 3am after drinking a bottle of lucozade and vodka!


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Truck

really was a sensational weekend but my enjoyment of it was not down to the line-up. There was not one single band that I thought I HAD to see, it was just great sitting with friends drinking beer in the sunshine while live music was played in front of you. I would have quite liked to have seen Regina Spektor but there was no way I was going into a sweaty barn on a sunny Sunday evening when I could sit outside with friends and be stupid. The fact the Mystery Jets were playing live at the same time was a great bonus. Basically, Truck was about the atmosphere and the people for me. If you asked me what my favourite bands of the weekend were, I'd probably say the ones where I remember having the most fun while they were playing. I hope this makes sense.


and maybe that's the point of a festival

over a regular gig?


Yes.

I think so. Glastonbury and Reading don't appeal to me although I'm sure they are good fun. I don't like huge crowds and I don't want to traipse for miles to see bands. I want to sit in a field in summer and have fun.


true dat

high five


"There was not one single band that I thought I HAD to see"

Exactly. While I was worried about this at first, it actually meant I could just be more relaxed, go along with whatever people were doing, investigate stuff I hadn't known before and spend loads of time with people having fun rather than thinking "oh my god, I have to be at Band X in 5 minutes".


ITS NOT JUST ABOUT THE BANDS

sorry Alan mcgee just put my CAPS lock on

For me it is friends, random funny incidents, serendipitous moments involving bands, goodish weather, beer, tobacco and feeling really sad when you get home afterwards


^^What Prole said

Plus the fact that you can see so many bands in one place. The pressure to see certain bands is a downer because you're inevitably going to encounter stage-time clashes, but you can remove some of that by keeping it small (so no missing half a set just getting from one stage to another) and I guess the whole experience is heightened by the lack of corporatisation and general aggro at smaller events. Involving the local community and businesses is also a good way to make the festival a positive experience for everybody involved.

I'm biased about Truck because it's local to where I live and I know many people involved in running it, however it ticks all my boxes about what constitutes a good festival anyway. I think a DiS festival (Drowned in Cider? Drowned in Mud? DiStival?) should take its cue from Truck and ATP.


PortaPotty

The toliets in the main area at Truck were so much better than I'd expected. the state of the PortaPottys makes a big (read: slight-medium) difference to my festival enjoyment.

Also, getting a programme and band-timetable included in the ticket price at Truck is ace (cf £12 for a programme full of press photos at Reading. Are you reading this Mean Fiddler? Well, ARE YOU?)


taking about just truck all the time rather invalidates this discussion

unless its the only festival you've been to then fairplay - of all the festivals i've been to glastonbury in sections have given me the most joy - but its hard to have 4 days of 100% fun and also if bands clash there's always a chance you'll see them again


they're not called

MEAN fiddler for nothing you know?


Diversity

Is clearly the key here. Smaller festivals are great because of the slight community feel and the ability to walk places in short amounts of time/find your tent yet the line up can sometimes falter but you can find yourself a new favourite band. I went to The Wicker Man Festival at the weekend and it was a good craic, not as good as past years beacuse the line up was a bit gash and there were loads more people. The pagan element was still there and that made me happy. Still small festivals get more expensive and popular, thus high demand for tickets and selling out early.

Bigger festivals are great because you get to see loads of bands that you would have to pay hella cash for. Still you pay hella cash for the bigger festivals because of the major label/corporate involvement. Glastonbury is a little better than this, as although it has corporate involvement it still clings to its hippie roots that have died out since Mean Fiddler came in to organise the fun out of the place. However sanitised Glastonbury is, i musch prefer it to any other festival because i love the enormity of it, i love the different types of people that go, even if i don't like them as human beings the diversity is what makes it. I like the possibility of being lost and strange things happenning.

Obv everyone is different but a lot of the talk on this here topic smacks of indiekid snobbery (yes i do know where i am posting) or mild aspergers. Is it about the music or the people?


I vent

to Roskilde this year and it was absolutely brilliant. I think it was just about the perfect festival for me. They had an hours gap between bands on each stage and the bands went on until 4am.

I don't know what the rules are for live music in England with respect to curfews but I would definitely try and keep it going for as long as possible into the morning!

At a smaller festival this makes everything a lot more relaxed and it's easy for everyone to get to the spot they want in the crowd. The longer gaps also mean everyone actually bothers to eat and drink enough water too. Give out free water everywhere too, I can't stress that enough!

Anyway yes, at a bigger festival the late finishing time is useful because it means that everyone is too tired to get rowdy.


i

think latitude was one of the best festivals ive been to since glastonbury in 99. Personally i think its bad to have a massive headliner because it means you get a whole different crowd going (people who are solely going for the headliner and arent interested in discovering new stuff during the day). have some dance stuff going on throughout the night if possible.
have some other artistic stuff going on as well. just copy latitude or truck, and avoid doing anything like reading/leeds and V.


Yeah

Roskilde had loads of art stuff going on and all of the tents were decorated and set up in a different way on the inside - with stuff hanging from the ceiling and seats up at the back etc. These are daft little things but they definitely improve the atmosphere and add to the experience.


i agree,

latitude was brilliant because of all the extras - the lit tent, poetry tend and comedy, as well as all the great music. i realise that maybe all those tents isn't real a possibility for dis, but i think you could definitely get away with a ten housing all three - lots of young poets, comedians, and readings from books..?


wow,

i spelt 'tent' wrong a lot in that post.


I went to...

a festival (one dayer) in Belgium this year called Rhaaa Lovely, along with other DiSers, which cost me the sum of 8euros and had free camping for the night, the bands playing were 65Dos, Grails, Deerhoof, amongst others. Basically it was awesome, took place in a primary school, all food was cheap and excellent and the place was advert free which was lovelt. It was one of the best nights of my life, i was delighted that such a small yet wonderful thing could take part in the country i live.
However, i'm also going to the Belgian version of Reading, which is Pukkelpop, largely just to see a bigger number of bands which i adore - Radiohead, Forward Russia, Envelopes, Regina Spektor etc etc. Basically, both had excellent line ups, but the larger festivals have the advantage of being able to put on a greater number of bands. I think i shall try to continue to attend at least two festivals in Belgium next year, obviously Dour would be lovely, but i was skint this year. I was told though that as well as the awesome bands present - Islands, 65Dos, Art Brut - there was a large amount of rubbis bands...another problem which larger festivals have. The smaller the festival the more forgiving you are i think of the less professional nature, at Rhaaa, there were a couple of power cuts, despite this being annoying, it was still an amazing time.


The atmosphere

is very important, Truck was brilliant because of the atmosphere. The line-up needs diversity, and also other arts forms - poetry, film etc...


I'm worried about Leeds now.

I hope I don't get killed.

:(


Truck

I went to Truck last year and my car was damaged to the tune of £80 by fucking chavs on the last night. Don't kid yourself that the place is filled only with decent people, there are plenty of wankers about who're there to shit things up for everyone else.

My perfect festival would be Truck if it had a decent lineup (not the same bands each year for a start, and how about some more serious bands that aren't just what's featured in DiS, The Fly, Sandman and the NME). Really though it needs to be abroad in some country where it doesn't rain whenever outdoor fun is planned.


hmmm

the car isn't actually on the festival site though...

this year saw the first ever reported crime occur.


...

What was the crime? (just out of morbid curiosity)


was it

the attack on guntrip?


Crime

stuff was stolen from tents, but to be fair, maybe not by festival go-ers. The camping areas at Truck aren't the hardest to get into.


yes, but

the solitary person who committed the crime was caught before he'd even left the site and all the things were returned.

it was on the Friday night was well, before the festival had officially even opened.


Are you serious?

I would be interested to know who you consider to be 'serious' bands.


....

the End Of The Road festival in september sounds like it has the potential to be something very special indeed! Check it out http://www.endoftheroadfestival.com/


what's

a festival?


is it possible

to have a festival where fucking chavs are told to fuck off. i don't really want another tent burnt down pls....

maybe we could use a 'chav-o-meter' to calculate ppls chavness. and the chavest of chavs are shown the door.
and the tickets are given to the nice people who wait outside in the 'chav ticket line'

or maybe we should give chav a chance..........................


I don't know, but apparently the fun is intense

Personally, I'm just sick of camping.

ATP and one dayers for me from now on.


I like big festivals and small festivals

It's fine for them to exist together.

Small festivals are nice for wandering about, catching a few bands you've probably never heard of, being surprised and stuff, but in my opinion a "festival" is more about getting lost amongst 120,000 people, wandering about on your own, finding some random tent with people playing bluegrass or techno or running about half naked, and not returning to your tent until 5am.

Something like Glastonbury is (I hate going into the wanky people who've been talk but...) just something else entirely. The walk between stages is annoying if you go wanting to see loads of bands, but it's not the way to be. I know plenty of people who see about 2 bands the whole weekend, and spend most of their time in the green fields or watching theatre or whatever, and they still had the time of the lives. I've been four times now and still haven't seen everything.

It's not for everyone but it's certainley something you wouldn't forget in a rush.

Slagging Reading is SO easy to do, but really, if you ignore the main stage line up, the sponsorship and beer/food prices (to which I just say: go to the town, buy a crate and some biscuits, it's only 10/15 minutes walk), they have some pretty great acts. They had TV On The Radio in 2004, before ATP or anywhere had them. They put Mclusky on in 2003 and 04 when a lot of places ignored them. The dance tent always has some interesting acts (in the past Buck 65, Blackalicious, LCD Soundsystem, 2many DJ's, Roots Manuva etc etc etc)

This year is practically a DiS-fest! : Animal Collective, Shins, THE FALL, Niteversions, Vitalic, Spank Rock, Hot Chip, Guilemots, BYOP, Metric...

A DiS festival would be greatness, if you can do it like the Pitchfork one and attract a lot of big (well, to us) names and keep the price down. Get a nice setting.


I CONCUR!

or however you spell it....
Im getting quite excited about ENd of the Road.....The statement on the website about their aims and stuff is pretty cool- longer sets/bands doing workshops/ chilled out staff ( no more iritating security). Plus the scando thing looks pretty sweet-well, mainly cos Suburban Kids with biblical names are playing and i heart them. THat is all


A bit out of the way, but...

Roskilde festival in Denmark is just amazing. An organisational masterpiece, which is why many people come back year after year after year. This year it actually sold out which usually isn't the case. It only did so two weeks before the start.

They provide free storage facilities so you don't have to worry about valubles. Drinking age in Denmark is 14 or 15 which means that you get people of ALL ages, which adds diversity.

The best evidence for how much people like the festival is that the camping grounds open 4 or 5 days before the main music festival starts. People show up early to make friends and relax. Even I enjoy that part even though I hate camping-life.

As for the music, I think there are usually around 160 bands playing (or maby just 120?), with big acts to draw the general public and smaller bands to draw the true fans.

Most people just chill and drink beer, while younger more energetic music-lovers run from stage to stage to see as much as possible.

Only downside is that if your tent is far from the festical area then you might end up walking 30min to get there (which is why people show up during the "warm-up" week).

I really feel that you have to go to Roskilde once in your life to realise how perfectly organised a festival can get.

I didn't manage any festivals this season (and won't make any in August either).

My works experience was Download 2003 (I think) where you had to wait for 3 hours to get into the camping area and next morining 4 hours to get into the festival grounds.

DENMARK!!!


roskildonbury

i also pottered over to roskilde this year, and it was wonderful, though most irritating not to be able to take cans/water bottles into the festival area. It was interesting to compare it to glastonbury, the only other one i have been to, which is on a scale far beyond that of roskilde. I almost get more excited when the glaso line up is a bit shit, it means less headless chicken and more meandering, watching random jugglers/poets/people/commedians etc. Roskilde was mostly about the music, as i think many festivals are, and it gained something from that, but i really missed that whole other festival that exists within glastonbury where it is impossible to come away without seeing or doing something you have never done before.


DENMARK!!

best festival evar.


as truck wouLd have it...

i wouLd Like to thank everyone off these boards whom i had the pLeasure of bumping into at truck, for being a pLeasure to bump into. i think that's why truck can be so enjoyabLe, because the site is essentiaLLy so smaLL, it's possibLe to see friends on the hoof without trying. other bonuses are being abLe to bring your own aLcohoL to aLL over the site, vastLy reducing the cost of particiaption oif the festivaL, and making you Look dead hunky carrying aLL that cider arround.

the Line up for this truck was probabLy one of the best since i have been going to the festivaL too. the research and colon open bracket were briLLaint. as was that iron maiden band first thing in the morning.

what happened to everyone on the sunday night though? i thought there was going to be a massive fuck off party, but there wasnt, so me and pauL started drop kicking sainsbury's vaLue sausage roLLs trying to get them over the eLectricity pyLon instead. it might have been the mind medning substances, but i remember being fabuLousLy sucessfuL.

compared to truck, reading is rubbish, it's a Lot of waLking and Loads of kids in bLink 182 t-shirts setting fire to pLastic cups and tipping toiLets over, with one constantLy thinking one shouLd be having a better time than one actuaLLy is. Leeds is even worse cos its fuLL of peopLe who couLdnt get into reading, so they're aLready in a bad mood and steaL your shoes out of yr tent, and then steaL your tent pegs. at truck, michaeL even got his waLLet back.

anyway, thanks to aLL the drowned-in-sounders i cam across (not in the bibLicaL sense sadLy), and hope to see you aLL again soon. oh we're headLining on the 5th at cLockwork if anyone wants to come...

beijo!

fideL viLLeneuve
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id be happy with any festival...

where i didnt have to smash f5 to get a ticket on the internet to only later on have them cancelled by some ponce at seetickets who then claim it was me who cancelled them... obviously possible when the time they were cancelled i was on top of a mountain skiing in NZ grrr... fecking Reading

o well i still have my festival virginity and 200 quid back woo


Truck soured (a little)

The Truck atmosphere was soured for me this year by being camped too close to a bunch of arseholes that were eventually evicted from the campsite by security on Sunday. What fucked me off most was that they were still allowed to watch the rest of the festival but just not to camp.


Lovebox..

..was on at the weekend and I attended on the Sunday. Loads of small tents showcasing new talent and plenty of chilled, happy, nice people generally being..well...lovely. Mr Scruff never fails to put a smile on my face and Jimmy Cliff was beautiful. I don't care what anyone says about Jamiroquai I still think they are the fucking Billy Bollox. Revolution 1993. Yes Yes and double yes that’s what I say.


The 2 Best

I've been to have been, All Tomorrows Parties and Electric Picnic festival


I hate

festivals. They are full of idiot hippies and you have to camp. This is why ATP is good. Chalets and all the bands are amazing.