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by Neil Robertson
  • Type: Album
  • Release date: 30/08/2004
  • Label: Rough Trade

Have we enough to keep it together?

Humans are remarkable optimists. God knows why.

There’s a line near the end of Annie Hall where Woody Allen watches the rehearsal for a play based on his own collapsed relationship. At the end, he admits; “you're always trying to get things to come out perfect in art because it's real difficult in life.” That statement never seemed truer than with The Libertines.

For the past year you’ve been chasing an ambulance. Pete Doherty’s demise is reported with gruesome, stained-syringe precision; music critics turn philosophers theorising over rock ‘n roll’s descent into self-destruction; a new band’s coverage gets cut in order to cover (mis)quotes from Doherty/Barat giving hope/despair that the band will survive/split. The world rolls over and yawns...

So why have so many of us been willing to watch this miserable affair unfold for so long? In the faint, feeble hope that out of the ashes of their sanity, from the ruins of their relationship, these two scrawny songsmiths could fashion something remarkable. Something that could tower above the break-ins and break-ups, the tabloid tales and the heroin hits. Something that could stand as a perfect artistic testament to a damaged, derailed and fucked-up life. It’s like a kid on a council estate praying she gets a pony for Christmas.

From the very start, The Libertines is the sound of the band at its most muzzled; paralysed by poor production, underdeveloped songs and private lives that have become more sensational and noteworthy than the music. With guitar lines that don’t seem to know what to do with themselves, What Katie Did is a dawdled mid-tempo affair that never raises itself above sounding like a lost session track; Don’t Be Shy decides after about two minutes that it doesn’t want to be a pop song anymore and trails off into some kind of sub-Stone Roses jam session that they just don’t have the musical competence to pull off; and if they thought that speeding up the bass-heavy, tin-pan chords towards the end of Campaign of Hate would’ve added an ounce of energy to a tune that was dead on arrival, then they’re seriously deluded.

Which raises questions as to what exactly The Clash’s Mick Jones did to this record. If his aim was to fashion the album into the same kind of masterpiece of passion and melody as London Calling, then he has failed - the album is as poorly-recorded, as shabby and hollow-sounding as a set of demos. And if his aim was to reign-in Doherty’s attention-deficit songwriting and set the bar as high as the finest moments on their debut, then he has failed again - tracks such as Tomblands, The Saga and Arbeit Macht Frei showcase all the band’s vein-burstingly brilliant energy, but are no-where near the perfectly-formed anthems found in the likes of Time For Heroes and Boys In The Band.

Still, we have to make some concessions. While Can’t Stand Me Now would’ve merely sounded okay on the last record, here it shines as one of the few admirable moments, and Music When The Lights Go Out begins as a bruised acoustic strum that rocks the same tender lilt that sounded so touching on Wolfman’s For Lovers. Then finally, after thirty-five minutes of painful misfires, comes a shot of brilliance. On the closing What Became Of The Likely Lads, melodies drop off Barat & Doherty’s tongues like diamonds that have fallen off the back of a truck, complete with a breakneck backing that features the same soul, fire, romance and nostalgia they always promised us.

This review started from the belief that The Libertines should be an exceptional, era-defining rock ‘n roll band. Some will say they never were. Some will say they still are. But the excitement that exploded around them was because many people saw a goose-pimpling promise that they’d only just started to fulfil. But while it’s still too early to start writing the band’s obituary, we have to face the even more uncomfortable truth that the group may be nothing more than another band of false messiahs. A band that grew out of the hype they helped feed; that gave you glimpses of greatness, but never anything substantial to hold onto; that self-mythologized The Albion as though they sailed some spiritual graceland, and even more deceptively, that they were gonna take you with them.

What became of the likely lads? We’ll never know.” As imperfect in art as they are in life, The Libertines have set their own detonator. And the fuse is rapidly running out.

  • The Libertines 4 / 10
Words: Neil Robertson

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very well written, but didn't DiS already review the album?

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we already submitted this review a few weeks back and it sparked a massive wave of debate. yet we go away to reading and someones taking it down and put it up again, removing all the comments.

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yeah sorry, that would be my fault. come back from florida exceedingly hungry & jet-lagged, go to shops, leave computer on, add one computer-illiterate mother who's trying to access her emails and poof! article deleted by the time you come back...

i was better off dodging hurricanes...

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With so many heroically talented artists lying unattended in small towns all over Britian, why even pause for the seconds it take to write this message to worry over the possibility that some dysfuntional half-arsed wannabes might one day make good? DiS has already gone the way of NME, distracted by its own "success" and unconsciously acting to exactly the same agenda as the Sun. It's bollocks. I wll not visit the site again.

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without some coverage of the more mainstream acts dis would just be a site about those heroic talents you speak of, read by a handful of people. with balance and compromise, we can divert folks from one agenda to another. nothing ever happens overnight. you can't blindly be intolerant without being ignorant and only covering half the picture. all or nothing?

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*confused*

Didn't you already write this review? And I swear there were a splurge of comments here as well (i.e "Libertines rock, how dare you give them 2 stars" and "yes, the Libertines suck lemons").

Oh well. If you actually care, I heard this album last week and it's DREADFUL. Really, really bad; so bad that they shouldn't have actually bothered with it. Nothing redeeming to say about it whatsoever, I'm afraid. And Pete's voice is a whimpering mess. In fact, Pete IS a mess and doesn't get even a shred of sympathy from me.

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i posted this on the last reviews so again: cant stand me now is supposed to be one of highlights of this album, thus I certainly will not buy it or even waste my time downloading it as that song is crap.

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I think they did it the other way round.
They gave the album 4 1/2, then spurged on by a wave of idiots with nothing better to do, quickly changed it to a lower score. Pathetic.

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If you take a moment to look to the left, at previous libertines articles, you'll see we've reviewed it twice, once by a fan, once more above. dis is written by individuals, not by some singular homogenised point of view. this is a rudderless sea of ships, with the same flag, intended to reflect those who read the site/buy records/goto gigs... rather than imposing some arogant monolithic shadow from atop a haggered old horse.
this site is nearly 4years old and people STILL don't get it. i hope i'm making myself clear.

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by "left" i actually meant right. sorry.

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Maybe they gave it a lower score because it really is a boring second album which is like a down market version of an excellent first.

Something like Winning Days to Highly Evolved (although Highly Evolved wasn't really up to much...)

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So what's the point of having multiple reviews if they contradict each other? Doesn't that eradicate the whole meaning of the site?

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It justifies the whole meaning of the site.
We ain't gonna make a habit of it.
But when a records seriously overhyped its surely a bit justified?

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Not really. You can't keep reviewing a record until you've provided the opinions everyone wants. Kind of defeats the object. That's what this bit at the bottom's for.

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hahahaha
this isn't the NME mate. different writers can have different opinions.

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"So what's the point of having multiple reviews if they contradict each other? Doesn't that eradicate the whole meaning of the site?"

In what way? Unless you are looking for someone to TELL you what you think about an album...
You obviously get to trust some reviewers opinions more than others (due to them sharing a more similar taste in music to yourself), so surely multiple reviews can only be helpful?!

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i heard this album on friday night on a coach with nothing else to distract me and it is utter cack. if it didn't say the libertines on the tin it wouldn't even be released.

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"paralysed by poor production, underdeveloped songs "

Is not the problem with most music today is the fact that it is over produced?

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nah.. theres loads of underproduced music which does alright. razorlight - up all night.
but then whats the difference between something being 'underproduced' and something being purposefully produced that way to get the desired sound.Underproduced is mostly used in a negative way. yet if music sounds raw and live on the record, (so it sounds good). it is never descibed as being 'underproduced' (which is is) but as the producer capturing the live element of the band. or 'the raw energy'
maybe the problem with some records is the fact that the live energy isnt caught in a desirable way by the producer. or if the record has shit song writing and poor quality musicians, it has nothing to do with the producer the fact that the record is shit. for instance, i could go into a recording studio, rant some stuff straight out of my head. play three chord thrashings on a guitar, bang some basic rythms on drums. no amount of producing is going to make that sound good....
the above has nothing to do with the libertines.

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To be honest, I have a feeling that the second review is not because the album is over-hyped, but just another trend in critics to build them up and knock them down, and it's never been more evident than with the libertines.

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i think you're just bitter. i mean, three comments criticising the article and defending the article in quick succession is, i'm sorry to say, quite pathetic. go make up some INTERESTING conspiracy theory instead

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Got the album today. My opinion? It's better than this article reckons, and not as good as the NME thinks.

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Is that the front cover?

Pathetic

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Yeah, that really a bad choice of cover

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I have been listening to this album for the past month and I cannot believe you haven't credited it with what it deserves. It is filled with passion and bitter-sweet songs and I actually could not fault it. You say the recording is bad, but surely that adds to its magic? Everybody claims not to like over-produced records in an attempt to sound deep and mysterious but when something comes along which is raw and fresh, they cover their eyes and say the hate it just to defy the crowd. To me, the cover is a summary of what The Libertines are. Maybe some people don't understand this, or have enough imagination to embrace it. This was my first visit to this site, and it will certainly be my last.

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One bad review and you're off? Blimey. This site really isn't for you. Debating the stuff you disagree with is half the fun...

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i mean, the libertines were never brilliant to start with. they weren't bad, and had some quite good songs on the first album, but too much filler....i'm sorry, i just think they only have flashes of talent, unlike a few bands who just have it overflowing (Elbow, anyone?). i couldn't care less about Pete Doherty, anyway. the album? it's....not bad, but not special....something about the score it got given here

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For such a tiny little island you sure make a lot of noise - which is, of course, why we put up with ya's. I'm going to their (scheduled?) LA show with or without your permission cos this band makes my world a better place. Like speedballs used to (hope Pete finds god, or whatever, good luck.) But just now, I've a headache so pipe down over there, else I'm gonna force you to listen Creed. ;-)

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I defended this article? Please show me where.

You say the libertines weren't brilliant to start with, but then say Elbow have talent? They try to be Radiohead, except, you know, without the tunefull-ness?

Some people don't get The Libertines, and when they don't, they can't come up with a better reason except saying it's crap, Pete's an idiot or copying various comments from other reviews.

In short, The Libertines is a great record.

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Er.... Elbow have been around longer than Radiohead. They wrote "Asleep in the Back" in the early 90s, you know.

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The Libertines and their music are like most things, you either get it or you don't...

All the same discussion surrounds Radiohead, some people "can't stand Thom 'fucking' Yorke's whining voice and think it's all miserable and weird", whilst others think that "that moment on Let Down when His voice explodes sends shivers down my spine... they are a generation defining band".

You mustn't be bitter if you don't get the Libertines, that is, if you can't see past poor engineering, apparent rambling and "aimless guitar riffs"... different smokes for different folks (i know that isn't the saying - is it spokes?).

I absolutely love The Libertines (you can probably tell by my biased comings). If the album was a tribute to the freedom success brings and the consequences of that there would be no better handbook.
Peter and Carl do fight armed with words and guitars, bringing out their deepest frustrations and love/hate feelings in song.
How they continue to play when persistant exchange of conflicing emotion is like another nail to his heart I do not know? This is really really raw. The Libertines (self-titled) in one way is, 'what is on the mind' coming out in music, much to the inevitable growing frustraion and heartbreak of the band and to the equal frustration, heartbreak and tears of the listener as their two heroes finish screaming for each others blood.
Read the lyrics and reap the issues. May I suggest a good listen to The Saga and then Music When the Lights go Out....

If you still don't get it, put it down to not having followed the story, because this is VERY very important... the music comes with history.
But turn around and say "it's crap" or "Pete's a dickhead" I think is just BITTERNESS towards the Libertines huge following and frustration that 'your' band just aren't as favoured.

Regards.

"All the highs and the low's and the to's and the fro's they left me dizzy, won't you please forgive me, I no longer hear the music."

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'If you still don't get it, put it down to not having followed the story, because this is VERY very important... the music comes with history.'

I like the album, but shouldn't a great album of music be standalone rather than relying, as you suggest, on knowing the story to go with it to make it enjoyable? You make it sound like this is just the soundtrack to The Adventures Of Pete 'n' Carl and can't be enjoyed without that, rather than actually being worth anything in itself.

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Have you ever prayed while listening to an album? Although I'm not religious, I was nearly kneeling during the first listen to the new disc - hoping, wishing, even praying for the next track to get better, and then the album ended....and my God has forsaken me... nothing.
It's not very good. I wanted to like it; i listened 5 more times trying to make myself like it, but alas i just wasn't feelin it at all. And I really shouldn't have to TRY to like an album, I should just be able to like it. Too many people out there feel that they need to like everything a band puts out to be considered a 'true fan' However, don't kid yourselves - parting of being involved in something is possessing the ability to be judgemental and honest. Basically, you should be able to listen to an album blind - with no knowledge of who it is or what they did before - and like it. Knowing their history and comcepts will just make it better, but you can't make chicken soup out of chicken sh*t. So if you like it, good. but in the words of Common(sense) "if i don't like it, i don't like it .. that don't mean that i'm hatin'"

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Perfectly summed up :)

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im sorry i have to respond to the elbow message about them being radiohead, without the tunefulness. I am a massive fan of both, and both elbow albums are full of crackin melodies, very unexpectedly. The last few radiohead albums have had been nowhere near as melodic, but that, i think is the point.

libs are not worth the print space.

that is my tuppence.

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'The Last few Radiohead albums'

Bar Amnesiac, the last Radiohead albums have been great, albums that Elbow couldn't touch if they tried. Trying to make the dirge of their music uplifting by adding gospel choirs? Please

Also, I think you mean Two Cents, or you're an idiot

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Yeah, OK agreed, a great album certainly should be enjoyable without knowing the images behind the soundtrack (quite a good way of describing it actually).

And in a whole different way the driving drums from Gary in Last Post, Peter's lyrical genius and swing rhythm from Man Who Would Be King, the fragile beauty, melody and lyrics of Music When the Lights Go Out, the bubbly but cynical laugh of The Narcissist, the knife-edge guitars that string the Ha Ha Wall, the beautiful close-part harmonies of What Katie Did, the overall musically fantasticness of Tomblands (plus united vocals), the rage and fury of guitars and singing in The Saga, the haunting organ and and instrumental brilliance of Road to Ruin and the melodic lines, vocals and clever guitar riffs of The Likely Lads is another way in which I support the cause for "The Libertines" being a wonderful wonderful album.

But I am trying to suggest a reason as to why you might not like the Libertines... and I think that they more than anyone today have a story that is massively reflected in the music and maybe this for many is where the real magic is??

I understand that this is all subjective though.

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Everybody seems to love 'em or hate 'em. Is anyone else out there just thoroughly bored with the whole hysteria and NME fuelled media overdrive surrounding the whole thing. The Libertines were a good band with a few good songs, not really anything more than that. They haven't done anything to justify their reputation, they never really got further than amusing their fans with petty crime and bickering, and failing spectacularly to live up to the little promise they showed in the beginning. Hopefully they'll disappear soon enough and drag along all the sideshow freaks and rabid fifteen year old female fans (with odd haircuts) who insist on wasting their time pretending there's some kind of scene with good music out there in Whitechapel, worth being a part of.
(Selfish C**t etc., stop trying to pretend that posing makes a good band).

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I'm a huge Libertines fan, having followed the saga for about 3 years. I know almost everything in the whole world about anything. Nah, haha. But i do love the Libertines and I have to say, canoe-man, that many of your points make a hell of a lot of sense and are very true.

The music scene in London is mostly dire. No one has come close to emulating the quality of the libertines (although Special needs are quite good in their own way - check em out)...

If the Libertines are over, you are absolutely right in saying that they have hopelessly failed in reaching their potential, but it's dangerous to talk in the past-tense as far as those boys go.

I think much of the fan base are fickle and ignorant... bands like the Libertines often typically attract idiots which is a shame. The experience of going to see them has become less and less enjoyable as their popularity has spread, not really because *it's less personal* but unfortunately, like the strokes, they inevitably attract arses who go out to ruin the show.

But as for the music, I think Peter is a wonderful songwriter even though he is an absolute idiot, who wastes his talent and the Libertines are fantastic musicians, despite some of the dire fret work that seems to encompass their work.

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Sorry, didnt mean to start this as a new thread. was a follow on to a discussion on the reviews page.

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Has anybody else heard Pete's version of Cant Stand Me? Just wondering how it came about...

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Parts of the song were taken from a JOLT song ( kitten ) written by mark hammerton now of The lams.

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BIG FAN HERE: If we're talking about the music for one second here people and not what if's. One piece of advice for the reviewer is to listen to the album over and over. I agree, a problem free libertines would take the world by storm but you are a poor reviewer. Despite their problems they have made a "real" rock n roll record about themselves and their world. Fuck production. The production is spare and gives it a great Live feel, undeniably timeless.
Yes, the songs are not as focused as the first LP.
What do you expect? Its hearty, artful, diverse, spontaneous, unique and it lives, like Carl and Pete do.

(Oh i'm sorry, we better make sure the fretwork is polished, like us libertines you know, living polished lives)

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cinder - im assuming you are a chap of american origin -so for your benefit, tuppence is an ENGLISH phrase - surprisingly I am from a country outside your own. I have no problem with your dislike of elbow, in fact I agree that radiohead are awesome - but your fuckin mindless arrogance in telling me i am STUPID because I used a phrase inherent to my own country is just ridiculous.

Tatty Bye old bean (this translates as good bye old friend, before you patronise me AGAIN)

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What a bizzare comment Kerry.

Why should "unpolished fret-work" bare any reflection on "unpolished lives"?

The heart of 'the Libertines', the music, lyrics, production exudes and portrays a traumatic time... and it is extremely moving in all accounts.

BUT, justifying trashy/sloppy guitar playing as an underlying theme to trashy and sloppy libertine culture, i do believe that you are talking right out of your arse.
Sorry.

Btw, there are many many more examples on both records of absolutely fantastic musicianship yes including guitar work. They are talented talented boys.

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5 good songs at most on the album, what became of the likely lads is really emotional, petes voice is still pretty good on it. Bottom line this album proves that, despite nme bumming them, the libertines are not the answer to rockin roll

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There are a few unsatisfactory songs on this album (ie. Don't Be Shy, Road to Ruin) but the majority of the album rocks. And while 'The Libertines' is definitely not as amazing as 'Up the Bracket' was, it is honest and emotional, and fuck you all for criticizing them.

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I bloody love the liberties!! Their so crazy and honest.