What is it about other people's misfortune that usually initiates a sudden arousal of public interest. Take the Manic Street Preachers for example. The band had more chance of selling ice to an eskimo when they were at their creative peak, then the main songwriter seemingly vanishes off the face of the earth and...hey presto!...they become international megastars. Then you've got the wannabe graverobbers, the ghouls who have to display a public sense of loss for someone they've never met yet feel the need to behave as though their own son or daughter has been taken away from them. This week has seen the untimely death of Brian Clough - a true maverick it has to be said in a profession of overpaid yes-men - and yet already over the past few days scenes of Princess Di-mania has hit the East Midlands. Which brings me onto the main subject of this piece, Peter Doherty.
Now I've not been the most vociferous of allies to this mythical concept of "Albion" that Doherty and his estranged buddy Carl Barat have been responsible for creating. In fact, having seen The Libertines just after 'What A Waster' came out my initial reaction was Clash tribute band steals Strokes' wardrobe - here today, gone tomorrow. But of course history, being the unceremonious bitch it sometimes is, has since proved me wrong.
The thing is, everything connected with Doherty just reeks of contrivance, from the burglary of Barat's flat to his stretch in prison and subsequent exit from the band, only for him to rejoin the day he gets released and walk straight outta the clink and onto a stage in Chatham for one of these so-called low profile "guerilla" gigs that every man and his dog somehow got wind of! Was it really worth going to all that trouble just to promote your new single? Particularly as 'Don't Look Back Into The Sun' stood out in its own right as the best thing the Libertines had recorded up to that point at any rate. Or maybe I'm just being overly cynical...
So it was with some trepidation that almost a year to the day, history decided it was going to repeat itself. Doherty's drug problems - well he is a rock star after all kids - suddenly became front page news, and lo and behold, with an album soon to be released and a number of high profile festival dates announced, he's out of the band again! Now what are we supposed to think? I mean, you wouldn't kick yourself out of your own band right, not when they are on the precipice of major league success. And to add intrigue to injury, at least half the tracks on the album seem to quite publicly condemn Doherty's self-destructive "condition" (listen to 'The Saga' or 'Road To Ruin' and tell me otherwise).
Which brings me onto the next bit. His "condition", his "state of mind", his "illness"...HIS FUCKING ILLNESS!!! The guy is a junkie for crying out loud. Nobody forced him to stock up on glass jars and aluminium foil. Nobody forced him to inhale the rockiest plantations of South East Asia and South America every day. Now lets get back to Brian Clough, apparently one of Doherty's heroes as it happens (more of which later). Sure he liked a drink or two, but he was struck down by the biggest 'C', not crack bloody cocaine, a real ailment. An incurable ailment. As are many others who would gladly swap their life threatening conditions for just a glimmer of the lifestyle Doherty appears to want to throw away like some spoilt brat hurling his rattle from his pram. And yet certain people who should know better seem to be spending most of their precious time hailing him as some musical Pied Piper whilst sending out the "Get well soon, Pete" messages like he's just gone into the Queens Medical Centre to have an appendix out! Open. Eyes. People. The guy's a junkie. Deal with it. It's time he did.
And so on to Tuesday night. Despite there being no real love lost between myself and The Libertines, curiosity got the better of me. The musical train wreck also known as Babyshambles came to town, although it only just made it on stage. A ramshackle outfit if ever I've seen one, where the ability to play in tune, never mind actually write one, can only be described as wishful thinking. Seven "songs" and half an hour later, it was all over, and after a couple of topples off the stage, the odd dedication to Cloughie, and a brief strip show from Doherty which revealed the exact horror show of his undernourished torso, and subsequently established just why I've little time for those who seemingly have everything on a plate yet would rather swap it for a spoon full of brown powder and a bunsen burner.
What a waster indeed. Never has a truer epitaph been written so autobiographically.
Pete Doherty: The Shambolic Waster
(sometimes I'm so clever I scare myself.)
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This country is, and has always been permeated by a horrible snobbery... and people still seem to define themselves by who they are able to look up to and who they are able to look down on. While all around us can be found people who've lost the plot and descended into a spiral of addiction, and any person living on the street usually has a tragic story to tell... we are only interested in reading about it in the papers when it is someone 'famous' who has fallen from grace, so now instead of looking up to a 'celebrity', we can look down on them...
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Nobody respond to this - as far as I am concerned there is no need for further comment
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>"Clash tribute band steals Strokes' wardrobe"
you get a gold star for that.
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1) many of you seem to have fallen into the trap of believing everything you read in the tabloids (while moaning about it being written at all! you all read the stories though don't you. hypocrites).
2)Being addicted to drugs does not necessarily make you a bad person. Do you genuinely know the reason PD uses hard drugs and how he fell into the habit? I certainly don't, and wouldn't want to judge people without the facts. Oh and btw you better give all those, hendrix,stones, beatles, dylan cd's back to mummy and daddy then if we're going to be all puritanical about drugs,
3)what on earth is wrong with being influenced by your favourite bands or artists? evry fucking artist in the world is, get over it.
the truth is the libertines are doing something right, and success breeds jealousy.
They are not the best band in the world, but they are certainly not the worst. They are certainly entertaining live, and no they are not the greatest musicians alive but lyrically i think they have a lot to offer.
so get over yourselves
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This article isn't an attack by "pompous muso twats", or however you decide to put it - it's a call to wake the fuck up and stop elevating this man such a level for basically being nothing but an utter mess of a human being.
No, I don't know his reasons for starting in the first place - frankly, I don't care. There are plenty of examples of talented musicians ending up complete burnouts because of their "leisure activities" to make anyone with half a brain stay away from that activity, no matter what Alan McGee or the back-slapping morons that make up the NME might say or hint at. DRUGS ARE NOT COOL. DRUGS ARE NOT ROCK AND ROLL.
And I'm not getting puritanical about drug use - do what the fuck you want with your own body - I just resent glorification and glamourisation of such utter, utter moronic behavior.
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1) The disgraceful hangers-on attracted to him like vultures in the desert. I read one story that friends of his invited him over when he was in rehab because Wolfman was getting married, but it was just to get him wasted again. Correct me if I got this wrong.
2) The press, for giving him the oxygen of publicity that has allowed it to continue. The NME are showing signs of getting bored with it now, but they should never have started. And now the tabloids are involved too.
3) Pete Doherty. I don't even need to say why, it's already well documented absolutely everywhere.
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Methinks you'll find it's called an "opinion".
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I think the point is that he won't be living for much longer if he carries on like this...
I don't know much about the Libertines, but they have always reminded me a of later day Chaz and Dave...is that cool? hmm..
..other muscians such as Hendrix, Stones, Lou Reed may have all had drug 'issues' but surely they were content over style, and people heard of them because of their ability first not their addictions...
..and also, is any of it really real?
penith worth contributed.
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No it isn't.
And if you like their music (and I do), then it's in his best interest that people write articles suggesting that the soap opera needs to stop. Otherwise you won't be getting music from him in, say, five years' time, for reasons you don't want to think about.
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I fucking hate The Libertines and the hysteria surrounding this berk as much as the next person who fucking hates The Libertines and the hysteria surrounding this berk, but do we REALLY need another discussion about how much we either hate or worship the man?
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Carl Barat seems like a decent bloke though, I have some sympathy for him being in the midst of all this.
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I'm not an NME reject, or any other kind of reject for that matter.
I was not at the Newcastle show so I cannot comment.
However, I was at the Nottingham "show" - and I use that word lightly indeed - and it was the one of the most embarrassing state of affairs I've ever seen.
From Dot Allison coming on every five minutes telling people "Pete will be here, honest", and then singing her "La la la" refrain from her 'Dirge' cameo to a room (half)full of pissed off punters.
I've never seen the NME write about things like that mate, have you?
Dom G.
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Surely you can say that about any gig featuring any band anywhere at any time.
I saw Babyshambles in Nottingham. They weren't very good. My opinion.
I can't comment on how they performed in Newcastle oir anywhere else on this tour because I wasn't there, although if reports are to be believed, neither was Doherty half the time!
Dom G.
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One point about the article (nicely written by the way) you accuse the soap opera of being all very contrived but then question "you wouldn't kick yourself out of your own band right, not when they are on the precipice of major league success." You also mention the guerilla gigging and ask "Was it really worth going to all that trouble just to promote your new single? Particularly as 'Don't Look Back Into The Sun' stood out in its own right as the best thing the Libertines had recorded up to that point at any rate." Surely these things suggest it isn't contrived? There's no sense to it is there, if they were trying so hard to be this way they'd time it all better. It's all too unpredictable, too spontaneous to be contrived.
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It's great until someone dies. Whilst I would never tell anyone what to do with their body, it's obvious when someone is clearly doing something very very wrong when they live their whole life in a manner as public as this. Loads of people do drugs and I'm not making any value judgments on them, but in Pete's case there is obviously a big problem, it needs to be resolved and it won't be resolved the way things are going at present. The only thing I can think of is the three-pointer in my post above.
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I very much doubt that the media and the hangers on are that much of an influence anymore. They're certainly not much help but he's too far involved for them to be much of a hinderence.
I'm sure Pete didn't get into all this naievely. He would've known all the dangers surrounding hard drugs, he perhaps may not have realised them to their full extent but he would have been aware enough to make the decision. And he chose what he chose, it's too late now for anyone to save him, he can only save himself. I'm pretty sure that he has everything at his reach to help him get off the drugs. He's not just some junkie in the street with nothing else, he can afford rehab and the best treatment. And if all that's unsuccessful it's most likely because he doesn't want to get off the drugs as much as he needs to really want to. He's never going to do it until he's 100% sure he doesn't want them in his life. Right now he probably enjoys the high times too much to let go; which is unsupsrising given the lifestyle he has.
He believed in the romance of rock 'n' roll and he's got it. And for that; good on him, not many people go out and achieve what they want. In rock n' roll terms the perfect end to this story is for him to die tragicly, talent unfulfilled. It wouldn't suprise me all that much if he's happy to die young having lived fast. He will have written two brilliant albums, inspired thousands of people and been acclaimed by many to be something of a genius.
He's making his own choices here and doing what he wants, and people telling him he's a waster and should get off the drugs are hardly going to make him go clean. I think that he will get over it, it may take time but when he wants it enough he will do. And then he can get on with making more brilliant music and we can all admire him for overcoming his addictions. And if he doesn't what's the worst that can happen? He'll die having fulfilled many of his dreams? I'm not saying him dieing wouldn't be a sad tragedy but there are people out there on the same edge as him who don't have what he has, who aren't amazingly talented songwriters and no one seems to care about all those people as much as they do Pete. Which is really more tragic isn't it
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it's funny tho, given some of the things you've said on the band being "contrived" etc, you wonder if anything like the Sex Pistols would be allowed to happen now. I'm not interested in the drugs and wish he'd sort kick em, but i find pete's desire to be that "pied piper" figure really interesting, and, well, fun! I guess the issue is he isnt making the music to back it up....
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It's a shame he has let other things over-take the music but hopefully he will come back with a bang and start producing what he should have a long time ago!
He is a compelling fellow I must say. Infuriating.. but compelling!
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Not a surprise at all to be honest.
Publicity stunt in a place that is far away from the music press and thus unlikely to hurt his cred in any shape or form apart from upsetting some Scottish folk. No doubt front page News in the NME and thus adding to the hype etc.
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Indeed so: http://www.nme.com/news/110036.htm
And so the circus goes on. All the ingredients in place - firstly the 'fans' creating a mess again... after all, a genuine reason was given for the cancellation, which we have to assume is true for the time being. Second, the NME being 'there' - they even got photos of the police outside the venue. Third, the NME not even bothering to add in the article whether he's OK or not. I guess that wasn't important to them.
Anyone in this thread that has said the whole circus is part of the fun should be ashamed of themselves.
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but i admit i find the whole shebang very entertaining even if the music is often, in truth, mediocre (though no more mediocre than every other indie band with 'something to say').
if he's happy to be a modern day circus freak, so be it. he certainly does get the attention, he certainly does spark debate. the fact, of course, that ultimately the debate is utterly banal seems to have passed everyone by. nevermind.
wake me up when he's dead. then i'll buy his records 'cos i know he's 4 real.
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Pete's undoubtedly a good songwriter with some great tunes, but if he was THAT good, they'd quit trying to sell a duff record off the back of a bit of smack addiction. He doesn't sell enough records to have a proper habbit. Not like he's a guitarist in the Chilis, is it?
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Pete's undoubtedly a good songwriter with some great tunes, but if he was THAT good, they'd quit trying to sell a duff record off the back of a bit of smack addiction. He doesn't sell enough records to have a proper habbit. Not like he's a guitarist in the Chilis, is it?
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You didn't have to repeat yourself to make your point, honest.
However, Doherty was the one on the night in question who seemed intent on bringing up Cloughie inbetween every bloody song.
For someone who has a fanclub full of U16 London girls and South Koreans (your words, not mine) it seems quite inappropriate that 24 hours after the great man's demise (Clough not Doherty) that he needs to keep reminding us all of the fact when its been on every TV screen and radio station since 1400 hours the previous day.
Or maybe he just sees himself as a self-imposed maverick genius in the same way Clough was except without ever achieving anything of any real importance.
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It's still a confused comparison whether you made it or Doherty did. Doherty's not a maverick in any way, shape or form.
I'd like survey of slagged up, fifteen year old, Doherty cocksuckers to find out how many of them have even heard of football, let alone Brian Clough. I bet most of them don't even know who Carl Barat is!
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Pet doherty what a waster what a fucking waster (listening to this song now makes me wonder if he is a fortune teller) there is NOTHING rock and roll about what pete doherty does its just un-professional and sad.
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The Venue is a 550 capacity venue.
7 People were arrested.
When the police turned up at The Lemon Tree (in Aberdeen ... not Edinburgh) there were mass chants of "Get the Junkie on the bus, Get the junkie, get the junkie, get the junkie on the bus, Get the junkie on the bus!"
Looks like the "riot" was merely a small unruley crowd who were disgruntled. The Band apparently soundchecked but there have been no reports as to whether he was even around.
7 people out of 550 hardly constitutes a "riot."
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It appears that nobody saw him all night.
The Lemon Tree was hired for the night. Thus they have no responsibility for what has happened.
Bullet UK Promotions
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BABY SHAMBLES PLAY KEF FOR FREE
2 Moro Night (friday)
To The First 300 Ticket Or Ticket Stub Holders
First Come First Served
Doors 7pm
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My Aberdeen is suddenly on the music map for the first time since Geneva were signed....
I`ll get my coat....