i wonder what its like to be such a cunt?
you are a cunt of the highest order.
(refering to your korn comments)
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They were a bit
off
stealthy has
a very big 'what i say is right, and anyone who disagrees is wrong'.
Is that a
euphemism?
and you don't?
stealthy is a proper gentleman.
plus, i once saw him negotiate with a religious person, very loudly in a fake american accent, to try and get money off a book she was selling, and it remains just about the funniest thing i've ever seen.
in that case
i take back everything i said as that sounds hilarious.....
the best bit was
he dressed a bit like a gay version of hunter s thompson at the time.
Yeah
but he did need to kind of just 'stop' quite badly in that thread.
Though I would also like to understand what a pregnant woman and a mentally handicapped child were doing anywhere near the mosh pit of a gig, aside from all the insults that were flying around.
i haven't see the thread in question
although i'm sure that was the point..
You should see the thread in question
that wasn't exactly the point, it was something he questioned while taking a big spade and digging himself a really deep hole.
wait:
hes a real person?!?!?!
i love him.
what band is he in?
i can't remember the name
apparently i saw them once, but it was at High Wycombe SU and it was £1 a pint and I can't remember.
but, yes, he very much is a real person...
yeaeh
the korn comments are completely out of line. i've considered banning.
is this another
job for the DIS bouncer (me?)
:D
Tuco
Real name: Arch Stanton
Email: keithmoon@talk21.com
Status: DiS Bouncer
where is this thread? It's passed me by.
News
It's not a thread but a news article
see the sidebar on the right. SHould be near the top still.
they were kind of an exaggerted version of what i was thinking
but wouldnt write in public as its not worth the entirely justified aggravation to others. and under news articles, its entirely possible that the guy's family may read it (there was at least a message claiming to be from a friend of the guy)
CUNT
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When I saw this thread last night, I considered simply not dignifying it with a response.
However, now that I know I could have been banned but wasn't, I see nothing wrong in being a big man and apologising without reservation for offending the sensibilities of some by expressing unpopular opinions in belligerent ways.
I apologise.
However I would suggest for the future that the best way to really get under my skin would be to deploy reasoned and logical arguments against my position. Calling me a cunt is something that hasn't bothered me since I was twelve, and even that was because it came from my mum.
End Communication.
CUNT
i like stealthy.
So do I.
I think he just had a bit of a 'Mel Gibson' moment.
I like BobbyGrindrod even more
for that comment!
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This is patantly unfair.
I actually meant my apology.
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I like the way he adds suspense by typing dots in the title bar...
i actually genuinely hate the dots
i find it really antagonistic,for no real reason.
i still want his babies.
see his comment in the
jagtastic alldayer thread. nice.
I think somewhere inside his comments there was a serious point
but it did get lost in anger and insesitivity.
Its a classic case of someone doing something foolish, which shouldn't really have resulted in him being beaten senseless and eventually being dead. It is hard to sympathise with people when they appear to have invited the problem, whereas lots of people are losing their lives for far less foolish reasons every single day and some outpouring of sentimental sympahty on an internet message board for a man who increased his chances of a premature death by foolishness really frustrates me.
This should in no way be taken as a 'he deserved it' type comment at all. Its more a 'I become frustrated by reading the sympahty threads' type comment. And maybe a similar frustration is what led to Stealthy being so insensitive, I chose to go and make a sandwich instead of enraging people on the internet.
Why was he foolish?
He was trying to protect others that had been foolish, if what the guy who commented the news story is true. I, for one, would have done the same thing. I'm sure most of us would.
well, its hard to say exactly where his error was
If a pregnant woman asked me to go to a Korn gig with them I'd suggest that perhaps they shouldn't go, or that at the very least we should very carefully chose a place to stand which would keep us out of harms way. When people started bumping into us I would move back (as I have done on numerous occasions) asking people to stop moshing at a korn gig has something of the King Canute about it.
But he wasn't extremely stupid, it's hardly a Darwin award type of thing, but he did make a difficult situation for himself by the sound of things. Obviously it wasn't a situation that you'd imagine he'd end up dead from.
I accept that
and agree, but it seems odd more blame is being put on him than the guys that murdered him.
in no way would I say that
muderers are obviously at fault.
Its like if you leave your bag behind you at a cafe and it gets nicked... you aren't to blame for it being stolen, but perhaps you could have done more to prevent it getting stolen.
This is less obvious of a case than the bag at the cafe, but it is the same principle.
People risk their lives for enjoyment/convenience all the time. It's part of life. The real issue seems to be the risk that he put his children at. And let's face it - none of us knows what happened and how responsible he actually was for any of this. I certainly see no reason to compare his predicament with more 'worthy' ones...
i wouldn't normally
normally I'd just ignore it and not pass comment, but I just wanted to let people know that I can understand how stealthy might have been motivated to make insesitive comments.
Lots of people die, and when Stealthy said something about how we'll all have forgotten about this guy in a week he was right, which is what irks me about 50 people all posting "how sad, my thoughts are with his family"
well, that's it, I'm making myself into public enemy number 2 now.
How many people actually
said their thoughts were with his family?
It's really an irrelevant point
You can have sympathy with someone and think about how terrible something is, without having to devote a great deal of time to their death.
After 9/11, did you go "Oh well, people die every day - who cares?" or did you think "Fuck, that's terrible"
And don't bother saying "This is hardly comparable to 9/11", because that's obviously not my point.
perhaps mine is a slightly backwards way of thinking, but every time I see major grieving for someone (or indeed many people as in the september the 11th attacks) I think of the huge numbers of people loisng their lives in poor areas of the world and often make a donation to oxfam or a homeless charity (shelter is a big favourite)
More people died of aids in africa during the week of september the 11th 2001 than in the world trade centre attacks.
I've always had a problem with that argument
This isn't about death. It's about the manner of death. AIDs is a disease. This attack was two human beings kicking another to death. 9/11 was three guys flying planes into buildings to kill as many people as possible. It shows a lack of humanity, and utter disregard for human life, which is pretty disturbing to me.
ok then
what about the enormous numbers of civilians getting killed in lebanon? Is that human drama enough for you to feel bad for them, for the hundreds and hundreds of them every day?
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I see your example as a matter of proportion more than anything: It's not so much the reaction that is distastful, but the scale of the reaction.
While one might have been watching the footage of 9-11 on the actual day (as I did) and said "that's awful". To find people completely unconnected to the incident still going on about it 6 weeks later is mawkish and distasteful - without going into judgement on the people who died.
And then there's the horrible business of Princess Diana. I think if that happened today I'd have been executed - at the time I summarised it thus: "Rich person dies in car crash".
My mother on the other hand was not quite moved enough to go down to the palace, but enough to video tape the funeral for posterity.
Whose reaction was the most distastful?
I agree you can overreact
and I was going to make that point, actually. For example, my friend died recently and because the circumstances hit local and (briefly) national news, a lot of people turned up to his funeral despite never having met him. That's distasteful.
However, if you read the story about a man being kicked to death and didn't feel anything, that's a poor reflection on you as a human being, in my humble opinion.
Also
You seem to be making contradictory points. In the initial argument, you criticised board users, saying they'd have forgotten about this within a week. Now you seem to be criticising people who remembered Diana's death for too long. Surely you can't have it both ways?
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They were two separate points. But if it counts for anything, The tape was never watched again to my knowledge and it’s probably got a few episodes of Friends on it now.
That fits nicely with what I said earlier - since my mum might have felt strong enough about Diana’s death at the time, enough to tape the funeral, as you would any momentous event. But since it’s never been watched since then, how important could it have been? Furthermore, ask yourself if you, or indeed anyone you know would pay for a copy of the Diana funeral in Ebay.
Exactly.
you can feel sympathy and avoid being a cunt
without going overboard and doing an OMGDIANA. be sensible.
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That's called empathy.
?
oh, not the definitions again
dictionary.com sympathy, among other meanings:
A feeling or an expression of pity or sorrow for the distress of another; compassion or commiseration.
You can easily do that without going overboard as per Diana. People on here aren't the sort to be complete drama queens about things but you can still express sorrow that something happened.
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I would put it to you that expressing sorrow upon the death of someone you didn't know and had no connection to was a lot like being a drama queen, to use your turn of phrase.
Compare that to the state of hearing someone you didn't know had died, being able to understand what people who did know them must be going through, but remaining unaffected emotionally yourself.
That's when the definition becomes significant.
the sorrow isn't just because the guy died
because that would be ridiculous, as you say, because people die literally every second, and you can't really think of them all.
The reason it was deemed newsworthy, and thus by implication sorrow-worthy (which behavioural prompt you might resent, not unreasonably) is not just because he died, but because of the manner in which he died. There seems to be an increasing number of stories in the news about people who get fucked up completely disproportionately for trying to remonstrate with others who are behaving inconsiderately, and that's a bad thing, which I feel sorrow for. It's also not something that deserves death, so I feel sorry for the guy.
Your scenario above with the 'steakheads' was ridiculous. Granted, we don't know the details of the confrontation and shouldn't assume we know who was to blame, but neither should you. And even if the guy was out of order, murder is disproportionate.
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While I was speaking in purely general terms in that last post - the scenario with the steakheads was a spaculation - that two people wouldn't beat up another person in the middle of a large group of potential witnesses and with such ferocity as to cause death - unless they were high, given (what they'd deem to be) just cause - such as being spoken to excessively rudely, or both.
What really happened of course, only the perpetrators know.
Seriously, might be better to just leave it
The stuff you said was absolutely disgusting, but you've apologised
not angry any more
it's just interesting. but yes. end of, really.
My thoughts are with his family right now!
I'm thinking about them as I type. I may well have forgotten by next week, but I think, if you read or hear about it, it's right to give a little thought to the family of anyone who's been viciously murdered.
True
I know just as little about this guy as I did about Billy Bell when that news first came through, but with that one, I still thought "What a shitty thing for someone to do - I hope he's OK"
That's showing human emotion. It's not fake, and it shouldn't be attacked.
bothered.
What he said was insensitive to say the least but everyone makes mistakes. I don't think you can judge someone's character based on a few ill-judged comments on a messageboard.
So if someone came on here
right now, and for their first post started a thread about how much they hate black people, you'd think "Let's see where he's going with this"?
Right I'm leaving this thread!
I see someone mentioning Hitler at some point and I don't want to be here to see it...
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HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HE WENT TO ART SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER
HE WANTED TO BE A PAINTER
HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN
HE WAS ALSO A NON SMOKER
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HE HIRED GAY AND HANDICAPPED OFFICERS
HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OVERPOPULATION
IF HITLER WAS ALIVE TODAY
HE'D LISTENED TO THE CURE, THE SMITHS, AND DEPECHE MODE
HITLER HAD THE RIGHT IDEA
HE WAS JUST AN UNDERACHIEVER
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
This wasn;t his first post.
And it would depend on the tone and context.
God you're argumentative.
I'm not usually
There you go again.
Some people.
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