no

no

shush you.

no

>>'It's mild, inoffensive, tedious, bland, pretensious...and most of all...shite. Every song sounds the same'

Rather like the rock music they play too then, eh?
It's a commercial channel intended to have broad popular appeal - what do you expect? the good stuff's out there if you're bothered enough to find it

no.

heheh. matt = so on the money it hurts :)

I can't see people's problem whimpering about the lack of indie rock on mtv, if they've digital they can pick up Xfm, their brain-atrophying daytime playlist is (more often than not) plenty enough to have them wet with delight...

i suppose i could see why people would say 'yes', espec with teh channels, but u can avoid it if you dislike it that much, and 'rock' does get a few channels so its not liek its beign completly ignored/urben forced down you

Yes. R&B is for Chavs, Badboys (like that tit from Big Brother), and girls that look like Paris Hilton. Music for those who know (and care) not about music. Lowest common denominator wank. I know there's lots of shit rock about too, but personally I would rather sit through 10 hours of Funeral For A Friend than 20 minutes of some wobbly voiced, LA based wannabee gangster singing about how fast his Bentley is and how many teens he's anally raped.

Rant over.

Creaky,

You just mentioned Missy Elliot (top selling R&B artist today) and Marvin Gaye (top selling R&B artist of yesteryear) in the same sentence. Now listen to a Missy album and a Marvin album back to back.

Utterly incomparable.

Case rested.

The main thing to bear in mind is that attempting to gauge the state of music by what's seen on the mainstream music channels is pretty pointless. If they were anything to go by, then Rachel Stevens and Bon Jovi would be considered cutting edge cultural icons (turn on to VH1 Classic and count how many hair metal videos they play in the space of an hour). The mainstream music channels are planned and programmed by executives focused on one outcome - profit. Therefore what's mostly seen on TV is what's considered commercial or potentially profitable by a marketing team. This applies to rock music too - nobody's going to tell me Slipknot get played because of the crucial position they occupy in the ranks of the musical avant-garde.

Secondly, regarding RnB versus RnR - My opinion is that rock and roll has been around for much longer (or comparatively longer) than what's classed today as R&B and consequently has exhausted much of its possibilities. To write rock music you are right from the start presented with a severely constrictive and limiting set of rules (melody, verse, chorus, verse - don't forget to include a 4/4 beat or some variation on it). Anything that attempts to dispense with those rules is immediately labelled smug, pretentious or remote leaving little room for innovation. Off the top of my head I can only think of The Mars Volta who are seriously fucking around with the template (there may be others - feel free to rant or post them here). Rock has ceased to be an innovative art form and has now essentially replaced what would be considered folk music in previous times - ie: a universal, omnipresent musical avenue that anybody can use to vent their feelings/frustrations/opinions/desires - provided, of course,
that they want to express themselves in the form of song. R&B and hip-hop are genuinely new musical ventures and have, essentially, an entire musical universe left to explore.

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"Yes. R&B is for Chavs, Badboys (like that tit from Big Brother), and girls that look like Paris Hilton. Music for those who know (and care) not about music. Lowest common denominator wank. I know there's lots of shit rock about too, but personally I would rather sit through 10 hours of Funeral For A Friend than 20 minutes of some wobbly voiced, LA based wannabee gangster singing about how fast his Bentley is and how many teens he's anally raped."

You've pretty much stolen my argument. Most R & B and rap is dominated by this whole attitude of whose got the bigger car, the girlfriend with the bigger set of tits, the bigger house, blah-dee-blah. And its boring, tiring, and pretty lowbrow. And to all those townies who proclaimed 50 Cent as something original, whatever. And the same about Kanye West.

So what if rock music is a bit creatively tired? Mozart stopped composing stuff 200+ years ago, and yet people all over the world gather to hear his stuff played every night in audiotorums around the world. And yes there's a lot of crap indie and rock, but there's a lot of crap rap and R & B. And don't moan about Sky/MTV, you know what you're gonna get, don't listen/watch.