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DiS end of year polls! Records! Bands! Gigs!

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Artists: Interpol, Bloc Party
Hello you list horrors, DiS has been polling its writers and readers to find out what LPs, bands and live acts have rung their collective bells and yanked their cumulative chains this year, and this is what we’ve got… gasps of anticipation please…

DiS Staff Writers' Records Of The Year (poll)

1. Interpol - Antics
2. The Killers - Hot Fuss
3. Elliott Smith - From A Basement On The Hill
4. The Stills - Logic Will Break Your Heart
5. The Futureheads - The Futureheads (review coming next week!)
6. The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow
7. The Dillinger Escape Plan - Miss Machine
8. Morrissey - You Are The Quarry
9. Isis - Panopticon
10. The Scissor Sisters - Scissor Sisters
11. Guided By Voices - Half Smiles Of The Decomposed
12. Reuben - Racecar Is Racecar Backwards
13. The Dears - No Cities Left
14. Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
14. Hope Of The States - Lost Riots
15. The Blood Brothers - Crimes
16. Jimmy Eat World - Futures
17. The Icarus Line - Penance Soiree
18. The Streets - A Grand Don’t Come For Free
19. Eighties Matchbox B-Line Disaster - The Royal Society
20. Mclusky - The Difference Between Me And You Is That I’m Not On Fire
22. Mylo - Destroy Rock 'n' Roll (review coming soon!)
23. Tom Waits - Real Gone
24. Dizzee Rascal - Showtime (review coming soon!)
25. Squarepusher - Ultravisitor (review coming soon!)
25. The Faint - Wet From Birth

DiS Reader’s Bands Of The Year

1. Bloc Party
2. Youthmovie Soundtrack Strategies
3. The Kaiser Chiefs

We cornered Bloc Party guitarist Russell Lissack and singer Kele Okereke this is what they said:

Kele: Thanks very much DiS. It means a lot to be voted band of the year by you, because it wasn't so long ago that we were searching the Musicians Board for drummers... It's been a fantastic year for Bloc Party and DiS has been there every step of the way - so to everyone that voted for us, I sincerely hope to see you you again in the new year.
Russell: Wow, that's amazing, thank you. Well, I'd like to give everyone who voted for us a big hug, and say thanks for your amazing support this year, and wish you all a merry xmas. xx

DiS Reader’s Record Of The Year (Poll)

1. Interpol - Antics
2. Shins - Chutes too Narrow
3. Biffy Clyro - Infinity Land
4. Futureheads - Futureheads
5=Hope Of The States - The Lost Riots
5=Isis - Panopticon
5=Elliott Smith - From a Basement on the Hill
8. Arcade Fire - Funeral
9=Reuben - Racecar is Racecar Backwards
9=Blood Brothers - Crimes

DiS Reader’s Live Act Of The Year (poll)

1. Pixies
2. Explosions in the Sky
3. Jetplane Landing
4= Bloc Party
4= The Shins

DiS Radio Station Of The Year (Editorial)

BBC Radio 6 Music

DiS Website Of The Year (Editorial)

Pop Matters

DiS Blog Of The Year (Editorial)

No Rock&Roll Fun

Words: Gareth Dobson

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DiS end of year polls! Records! Bands! Gigs!

What, no Brian Wilson? Have you all gone insane!?

Seriously, though...
Smileadelic | 16 Dec '04, 14:46 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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the top 20 poll is representative of what is reviewed/listed on DiS, and reflects whole heartedly in the general response these bands have got from DiS readers and writers alike. People who say the the likes of Bloc Party shouldnt have been polled so high, well they're often the same people that said they were amazing ago when they first heard She's Hearing Voices. A lot of peoples responses are just attempts at 'im more indie than you because the bands i would have put there are known by about 5 people', well thet is tres idiotic. Obviously everyone is going to have different views on who should be included but it's based upon those that are talked about on DiS, and it does a very good job. It is largely very good, and im very glad to see the inclusion of Isis so high. I'm very glad more and more people are enjoying their brilliance.
matinee | 16 Dec '04, 18:21 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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the killers? scissor sisters? how? why? no.
since-last-summer | 16 Dec '04, 18:59 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Antics is boring, good band - shit album
mongojerry | 16 Dec '04, 14:48 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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No. It's a great album.
Nonsense | 16 Dec '04, 14:53 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Its not the best of they year though is it? Surely, er...the best of the beatles.
Moscow | 16 Dec '04, 14:54 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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It's a nearly-great album :)
Smileadelic | 16 Dec '04, 15:04 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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YMSS = very very cool.
Nonsense | 16 Dec '04, 14:54 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I reckon the polling was rigged; Interpol number one? Above Bon Jovi's 100,000,000 Bon Jovi Fans Can't Be Wrong? Hmm...

I remember when Bloc Party were stuffing envelopes in my lounge; right bunch of messy bastards they were.
peterwhite | 16 Dec '04, 15:00 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I'd just like to take this oppotunity to sack everyone who voted for The Killers and Hope of the States. Infact, we should publicly reveal and then flog said sad indieviduals.
sean | 16 Dec '04, 14:59 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I would like to THANK (ie shower with kisses etc etc etc) any member of staff that voted for Isis, Icarus Line or Blood Brothers or DEP.

Sometimes, I love you guys...
Mike_Diver | 16 Dec '04, 15:06 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Icarus Line woulda been me.
Even if someone has stolen my cd and left me with nothing but an empty case for the past few months. This someone may have been a drunk version of myself putting it in the wrong case. But still.
sean | 16 Dec '04, 15:08 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Can't totally remember what I suggested as a top ten, but it was probably the same list I sent to rock sound.
Isis topped their poll, and rightly so.
Shame there's no room for Comets On Fire in the DiS best-of - I swear it continues to improve with each listen. If I reviewed it again, now, I'd be hard pushed NOT to give it a maximum score. That's my number 4 in the RS poll.

Mike_Diver | 16 Dec '04, 15:15 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Your welcome - and thanks for the recommendation. But EMBD rank above Mclusky? Bah! Humbug!
NickyC | 16 Dec '04, 17:07 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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guilty as charged.

however, i would like to think i'm at least slightly responsible for getting the gbv album up there, and may i congratulate and thank anyone who voted for that :)

alex
xxxx
wizzy_w | 16 Dec '04, 15:15 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Oppotunity? Indieviduals? Christ your spelling's getting worse mate. :)
I'm proud to say that I voted for the HoTs album because I think it's freaking ace. I didn't vote for The Killers because although I liked the singles I didn't think the album was strong enough.
Let me know when you want my public humilation to begin Sean dahling.
amgibbons | 17 Dec '04, 13:03 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I do find myself questioning many in the list. These aren't the same people we write with are they?

Meh, we're all frauds really.

Plus: where is our list of singles?
crablin | 17 Dec '04, 14:22 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Guilty. Shall I get my P45? :-)
Andy | 16 Dec '04, 15:03 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Polls schmolls. But then, I'm very glad to finally see some recognition for the Jimmy Eat World album...
Damian | 16 Dec '04, 15:04 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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oh my God !

The Streets get mention over Biffy Clyro. Heaven save us from DIS writers !

:-)
monthebiffy | 16 Dec '04, 15:14 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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who the fuck voted bloc party. you should be shot.
lowandbehold | 16 Dec '04, 15:23 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I agree, clearly people should be shot for voting for a particular musical group that they quite like on a website. Its one of the most disgraceful things man/womankind can do.
Moscow | 16 Dec '04, 15:30 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Here here! Glad to see the Stills record do well, though.
Teepee_uk | 16 Dec '04, 16:45 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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"8. Arcade Fire - Funeral"

Who the hell are Arcade Fire? Their not even on the DiS directory...
Ramzy_ | 16 Dec '04, 15:36 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Oh patience there Ramzy....either wait till Feb 28th when it comes out on rough Trade or get it on import and prepare to listen to 2005's album of the year. I promise you will be impressed!!
ringo | 16 Dec '04, 15:55 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Oi! What about the singles!
NickyC | 16 Dec '04, 16:48 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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They're coming soon. Real soon, promise. Gareth still needs to compile them. And thought we'd make it a seperate announcement.
sean | 16 Dec '04, 16:51 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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pretty good on the whole....

except that you left out 21 of the good albums that came out this year....

electrelane? miss kittin? automato? mark lanegan? devendra banhart? felix da housecat? munk? golden virgins? secret machines? seafood? six by seven? the delgados? venetian snares? modey lemon? sex in dallas?

i know they're subjective things these lists and ultimately pointless, but its a bit, you know, NME?

it doesn't seem very representative of what DiS was a year or so ago or maybe i've moved on, i don't know

but so many of these albums will be the equivalents of menswear, echobelly, marion, sleeper, gay dad, etc in 3 months time
vamos | 16 Dec '04, 16:51 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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have to agree completely on band/album/live acts of the year. I'm impressed.
Kid_A | 16 Dec '04, 16:56 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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i liked sleeper.

*returns to her corner*

wait - AND gay dad. leave me alone. shut up. shush.

xxx
-gen- | 17 Dec '04, 03:21 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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maaan. and i replied to the wrong post. sorry. i shouldn't be allowed on messageboards at this time in the morning.

xxx
-gen- | 17 Dec '04, 03:22 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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no Gen. No one should ever have liked Sleeper. Bad bad bad.
sara_love | 29 Dec '04, 19:13 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Last year people said exactly the same thing about the writers' poll.

You have to take into account the fact that - most of the time - more esoteric favourites are going to be nominated by individuals rather than 'the collective' and hence remain unrecognised. As a result, no Venetian Snares. Or Dead Texan, or ambient recordings of clouds released in limited runs of two.

It's just a list.



daniel_h | 16 Dec '04, 20:35 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Yeah, but Gay Dad were fucking great.
_wiz_ | 16 Dec '04, 23:37 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Marion were a great band and you know it! They even had a 2nd superb album too.

nli10 | 17 Dec '04, 09:23 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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True. They were one of Britain's best bands from the nineties, and *shamefully*, there's no profile for them on here.
I mean, even Gay fucking Dad have a profile.

C'mon DiS. Grant my Christmas wish.
Teepee_uk | 17 Dec '04, 11:11 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Shame about what happened to them in the end, wonder what they are all doing now?

They still get played on my iPod occasionally.
nli10 | 17 Dec '04, 11:22 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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(wipes a tear from eye). Thank you.
Teepee_uk | 19 Dec '04, 15:58 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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YAY!

Now to find out how to add info.
nli10 | 20 Dec '04, 12:28 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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When were we polled?
fullerov | 16 Dec '04, 17:09 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Talk about disappointing.
ToxicJesus | 16 Dec '04, 17:12 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I HATE this end of year poll. It is so NME ish and middle of the road. I mean recycled bankrupt retro rock- Interpol and the Killers. I thought drownedinsound was about New Music, the stuff not covered in the sell-out mainstream press. i read drownedinsound everyday because I fell alienated by the NME but this end of year poll is crap. Soon drownedinsound will become as middle of the road as Q magazine. and we will only have Teletext to save us.

Where is Wolf Eyes and USAISAMONSTER and Electrelane in the albums of the year? I am glad to see ISIS in there though ( I agree with Mike Diver for once).
What the hell are the Shins doing in Live act of the year. (though the Pixies reform gigs were magical) How about Mistys Big Adventure in the live bands of the year. Or the Oxes. Or Cobra Killer. No mention of Kraftwerk? That is criminal - as that was surely the most perfect and beautiful live concert of the year. PAtti Smith? Television? No one.

2004 has been a wonderful year for music. Sadly this is not summed up in the end of year poll. Last years end of year poll was much better and representative. Have u recruited lots of crap writers or something?

Agreed with Vamous That:
so many of these albums will be the equivalents of menswear, echobelly, marion, sleeper, gay dad, etc in 3 months time
Hamja | 16 Dec '04, 18:00 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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very indie innit?
'Antics' was good, but in reality only half the songs are up to scratch... it's a nice vote of confidence for an emerging band, but 'Antics' didn't even make my personal top ten, as much as I wanted it to. It could have been so much more than it is.
It's funny how there isn't a sniff of genuine originality until we get to bottom 4. is this DiS staking out a musically conservative retro rock 'n' roll aesthetic? Whether by accident or design it would certainly seem so...
But, hey, it's not me, it's the DiS ppl, and this is what they like. Um. Merry Xmas.
John_Brainlove | 16 Dec '04, 18:18 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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But don't you realise that with a poll that has hundreds, if not thousands of people sending in their lists, there are going to be certain albums that will re-appear, such as those above. Do you really think 300 people would have put down USAISAMONSTER in their top 10?

Chances are that every person who listed ISIS also listed a number of more obscure releases - Old Man Gloom, Burning Skies, Sayyadina... I certainly did, hence the more popular releases get collated into the Top 20.

I wouldn't say they really reflected DiS' readership. in fact, they probably mean nothing.
DiSvsMatt | 16 Dec '04, 18:28 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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The USAISAMONSTER record ain't all that, but Wolf Eyes... might have crept into my personal top 25, should I have one.

I think that theis year's poll is a lot more refelctive of the site's writers' different tastes - to have the icarus line and dillinger shoulder to shoulder with the killers and interpol is healthy - it shows that we're able to cover all bases. Sure, the really obscure stuff doesn't get an overall look in cos of what Mat's said above (I mean, where's Rhythm of Black Lines? That album slays!), but, for what it's worth, THIS is the best run down of 2004's big releases that you'll see anywhere. I man, Isis in the top 10!? On an indie-rock website! GET IN.
Mike_Diver | 17 Dec '04, 11:15 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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THEUSAISAMONSTER records pisses on the fucking Killers - whatever you say. This list sounds like a filtered-down NME/Q list. This is a WRITERS poll, not a Ant and Dec populist vote. Writers who are interested in independent and new music (which drownedinsound represents) should know about Load records and be on the pulse. It just sounds like they just watch too much MTV2. I bet Zane Lowe would really approve of this poll (I cant say anymore lower than that). I think there should be a Stalinist purge of the new drownedinsound writers.
Hamja | 17 Dec '04, 14:36 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Well yes, USA pishes on a lot of the records in that list, in my opinion, but it's a poll, so individual tastes aren't all that strongly represented.

Still, I packed the USA record today, so if you come to the Marquee tonight and ask for it, I shall play it.

And, since you're on a Load tip, I also have LB and the almighty Pink & Brown with me. So nerrrr.

No Wolf Eyes, though. There might be children about.
Mike_Diver | 20 Dec '04, 10:09 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Cool. Sounds good but I have to babysit.

The Poll. Well, John Peels festive 50 is a poll and you still get obscure as fuck shit in the top ten and it is consistently brilliant and eclectic and at complete divergence from the Q/MTV2 fodder. And that is voted by 1000s of people. So that is no excuse. (BTW John Peels biography is half price in Books Etc. Christmas sales and has every Festive 50 listed) I think a few sackings are in order.

I think there should an article called the most OVERLOOKED RECORDS of 2005 with no records from that poll included.

(NB: Were you at the Blood Red Shoes/Hey Collosos gig at the Windmill when no one was there? It must have been one of yr lookalikes.)
Hamja | 20 Dec '04, 18:27 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Wasn't at the Windmill, but they're playing Infinity pretty soon.
HC, that is.
Mike_Diver | 21 Dec '04, 10:02 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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More missing:
TODD for album and live act of the year too. Part-chimp for live act of the year. Lightning Bolt for Live act of the year. Fly Pan Am... Hot Snakes for album and live act. Converge for album and live act.... Low, A Silver Mt Zion, Wolf eyes, Go team!,Hey Collosos, Cove,Twilight singers for live act...and so much more...all bands supported by drownedinsound - no where.
maybe we should be polled again?
Hamja | 16 Dec '04, 18:14 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Lets put all the art punk shite in the poll!
brodieman_11 | 24 Dec '04, 21:33 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I think that this is a fairly joyous list, but I still prefer the DiS 2003 list.
danjp123 | 16 Dec '04, 18:19 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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the top 20 poll is representative of what is reviewed/listed on DiS, and reflects whole heartedly in the general response these bands have got from DiS readers and writers alike. People who say the the likes of Bloc Party shouldnt have been polled so high, well they're often the same people that said they were amazing ago when they first heard She's Hearing Voices. A lot of peoples responses are just attempts at 'im more indie than you because the bands i would have put there are known by about 5 people', well thet is tres idiotic. Obviously everyone is going to have different views on who should be included but it's based upon those that are talked about on DiS, and it does a very good job. It is largely very good, and im very glad to see the inclusion of Isis so high. I'm very glad more and more people are enjoying their brilliance.
matinee | 16 Dec '04, 18:20 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Everybody's entitled to an opinion of course. I would like to express in the friendliest possible way that I think "best of" lists are for cretins and that this is one of the more depressingly predictable ones i've seen, but that's just me.

However, while I realise utterly despising Franz Ferdinand may come from watching too much MTV2, and there's been some kind of edict from on high to all music journalists to shit themselves over Interpol on pain of death, and to pretend to find The Streets clever, and that the Scissor Sisters really are part of a fiendish plot to make us all hate gay people from New York....but.....the...Killers....???? I don't get that one. Anyone?
chiaroscuro | 16 Dec '04, 18:35 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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The Killers rock and Hot Fuss is amazing, so well done the "best of" list in showing this!!
rockin_judi | 16 Dec '04, 18:55 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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killers have a couple of acceptable singles. shocking album, though
JacobJones | 16 Dec '04, 19:05 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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i think its a good poll .... nicely represents all the top DiS style releases of the year

wait ........ no thisGIRL !!!
you guys didnt even vote for your own record label ?!

anyway... no real problem with whose on the list, all did good things

though reuben shouldve been higher ;)
soapy | 16 Dec '04, 19:51 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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It would be a bit cheeky to put one of our records in our record of the year list, even tho I do believe it's the record of the year - else why else would we have released it?
See Rocksound and some of the Kerrang writers agree it's one of the records of the year. Hurrah!
sean | 21 Dec '04, 12:39 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Biffy Clyro, at least the public love them eh?

shite list like..
'mon the Biffy

Reuben, number 12? seriously?

fuck sake
zen-arcade | 16 Dec '04, 19:57 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I'm partial to a bit of BC, but I'm sure many people will join me when I say the next person I see or hear utter the phrase "mon the Biffy", is fucking dead. Their new album was average compared to the first two. Admittedly that still makes it better than the fucking Killers.
chiaroscuro | 16 Dec '04, 20:21 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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"I'm partial to a bit of BC, but I'm sure many people will join me when I say the next person I see or hear utter the phrase 'mon the Biffy'"

Haha, get a grip you snob.
zen-arcade | 17 Dec '04, 02:57 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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This has nothing to do with snobbery, just alarm at the boy-band style obsession people seem to have with Biffy Clyro at the moment, like if they recorded and released the sound of their own dysentery-based diarrhoea, people would still worship them. There is no way their new album belongs on the list - it wasn't enough of a step on from earlier stuff and sounds kind of half-arsed.
chiaroscuro | 18 Dec '04, 18:38 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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* chuckles to self*

i think their new album is as good as the other 2 if not better . i think they are progressing and not putting out the same shite like some bands.

also i dunno why this hatred for the killers?? fair enough they get alot of coverage from nme etc and are played TO DEATH but i think the album is alright
floydeh | 29 Dec '04, 18:15 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Jimmy Eat World!!! I didn't even see that one! Ha ha. I don;t