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America or Buster

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by catwank
Artists: Busted

Poor Busted. After four number one singles, three million albums sold worldwide and 11 sold-out nights at Wembley, they finally get their chance to break America as Britain gnashed its teeth and waited for them to come back with their tails between their legs. And after watching the final episode in MTV's documentary series America or Busted, two things become screamingly clear: one is that Busted have what it takes to break the world's number one market, and the other is that there was no way their record company was going to let them try. And now it's over.

Desperate to retain the miniscule shards of credibility the UK music snobs have begrudgingly coughed up, the band made themselves fairly clear from the beginning what they wanted. The series shows clips of James stalking the grounds of the estate where the three of them used to live, pleading with manager Fletch over his mobile to "make sure we don't just get seen by 12 and 13 year old girls"; on the way to Heathrow, Charlie explains that he'd prefer the band try to make it as a credible act and fail rather than go on the Smash Hits carousel of horrors again, and Matt -- ominously using the past tense before he's even left the UK -- rants to a mate that Busted were originally perceived as a joke band and they never got any respect, "...so the last thing we wanted was to go to America and start exactly the same way as we started out here."

Sadly, none of these seemed to penetrate. They go through the humiliating rigmarole of ElleGirl beach parties and pointless promenades down MTV's red carpet but it's clear they were doomed from the start, especially as the shenanigans begin at airport when their limo driver asks, "Are you Buster?"

The laughs keep on coming as they are taken directly to Universal Records for a meeting where senior marketing vice-president Kim announces, as if this was the most cunning strategy ever, "We're going to market you as a pop band, so everything we do from every single department is going to reflect presenting you this way." This leads into the teen press presentations and the introduction of Dave, the affably savvy if goofy plugger responsible for pushing "What I Go to School For" into the playlists of radio stations around the country. Dave tries to convince the band of their impending success because his 11-year-old daughter loved their record. "Daddy you gotta put these guys on the radio," he says. "Daddy you gotta make these guys number one."

Although it's mildly entertaining to watch the expressions of Matt, Charlie and James crash as Universal Records team explains their brilliant marketing strategy to make all the teenyboppers go crazy in love, one can't help but feel for them as they repeatedly and patiently explain that appearances on Nickelodeon and what-do-you-look-for-in-a-girlfriend roundups in CosmoGIRL! are not the strategies they want.

As every armchair music marketer knows, the only way to break a single is to play it live so people can hear it and then call in to the station to request it. After two months of radio promotions for a single nobody could hear -- if the series is to be believed -- Busted played live a total of seven times: three times on air, two promo shows of varying success, once in a proper venue in front of an actual audience; and an impromptu busking session in Times Square the second day off the plane that they initiated themselves.

Universal sent the 'ted to remote markets with Dave, who earnestly tries to break them as a Top 40 band with no crossover potential in a radio market dominated by hip hop. He explains on camera how radio works: "Most of the hit songs in the top 40 come from other formats, like crossover alternative rock. These guys are solely depending on top 40 radio and it's very rare you break a pure top 40 act, let alone a group from England that nobody knows."

Pop music, as I have tried to explain to every Briton I meet who sneers at my ever-expanding British singles collection, has no life in America; not like it does in the UK. There is no MTV Hits in America, there is no Top of the Pops, no CD:UK. Singles do not enter the charts at number one because singles do not sell. The term "Christmas number one" means nothing in America. UK video channels outnumber American channels by 3:1. Getting a video added to MTV means little since MTV U.S. is dominated by "real" programming, and their clip's addition to MTV2 undoubtedly helps a little but wouldn't guarantee them the same saturation as a UK channel would.

So without video rotation, without radio airplay, without live performances, just how the hell was Busted going to break America?

To watch the guys frog-marched through Louisiana, Texas and Oklahoma is painful. They meet program directors that say they're a top 40 station, the band is pushed on air with ridiculously stupid DJs (who lack the basic geographical concept that the Atlantic is an ocean, not a sea -- good god) and ask unresearched, clueless questions while admitting their playlist is predominantly hip hop; Dave schmoozes the uninterested program directors with little success. Matt, James and Charlie repeatedly ask why the hell they're sent on these pointless missions but despite Dave's taxing enthusiasm and Fletch's occasional bouts of brilliant arseyness, there are no answers.

The most disturbing and yet strangely hopeful moment is when the guys visit a high school radio station in the Pacific Northwest and the teenaged DJs ask intelligent, researched questions that treat the band as artists rather than product. In return, they provide thoughtful, intelligent answers that explain exactly what kind of music inspired them and brought them together, what kind of music they make and what kind of band they want to be: American pop-punk.

And no visit to Seattle for indie kid nerds would be complete without a pilgrimage to Gen X Mecca; one can't helped by be touched as Charlie perches on the fence, staring at the house where Kurt Cobain died, and marvelling that this is the location where Nirvana songs were born. And as Matt and Charlie scribble their thank you's on a bench nearby, the sincerity of the moment is powerful: the music fan and his or her touchstone; that was me on my first visit to London, scribbling memorials on the street signs of Abbey Road.

The brutal irony is that Busted could have been a big hit in the American pop-punk market. Every summer, there is that one snotty boy bubblegum punk song with hooks so huge you can hang a side of beef off them that just puts American radio in a headlock and drives everyone bonkers by autumn. That song could easily have been "Crashed the Wedding," it could have been "You Said No," it could have been any of the irritatingly catchy (and you know you liked them) singles they've released over the past two years.

Putting Busted on the road as an opening act at the bottom of the bill for bands like Green Day or Blink-182 would have exposed them to the audiences most likely to buy their records, audiences not dominated by children; widespread ranging in age and taste. The most blindingly obvious move would have had Universal productively using Busted's three Stateside months by securing a spot for them on the Warped Tour, which hits every market in America; hauling them off for radio spots as needed.

Universal president Monte Lipman takes a moment to put it all into perspective: "I just have to point out that the list of casualties of British pop acts is too long to mention. The one that comes top of the mind is Robbie Williams, who basically came over here first class, made the announcement 'I'm gonna conquer the U.S.' and we sent him back on a coach ticket." Well, why did Robbie fail? The same reason why all British bands fail: he didn't want to play every shithole dive club in every red-state backwater for a year and a half. NME buzz bands can sell tickets to the same 1000 Anglophiles in the same major cities year after year -- the same people who went to see Kula Shaker are the same people who sold out Starsailor shows before the record was even released stateside, they're the same people who will hop on their Vespas to catch The Libertines, or, blurrgh, Babyshambles -- but after the dual-coast dates with a few stops in the Midwest, those bands are back to Britain no better off. The bands that succeed in America are the ones who are tourmonsters: Oasis spent a lot of time in America; Blur didn't. Coldplay toured America and worked that adult-album-alternative market for all it was worth, and what do they have to show for it, besides A-list actress wives and homes in Belgravia?

Universal didn't give Busted that chance. They didn't examine the American market for a place where Busted would fit in and help the band build a career; they weren't interested in a long-term relationship of mutual benefit and profit. Instead they went for the get-rich-quick pester-power of the teen pop market, knowing full well they'd probably send Matt, James and Charlie home on coach tickets, used up, spent.

Matt, James and Charlie spent the entire series of America or Busted travelling around the United States bitching about the wasted opportunities and begging to just play their music. They did their job professionally, sucking up every potentially humiliating disaster and shrugging it off as dues paid. They expressed their willingness to start at the bottom and work their way up so long as they could do so with integrity. And it could have worked. After two months of radio promotions tours, they launched their record at Planet Hollywood with a live set that prompted senior marketing vice-president Kim to exclaim how really good they actually were (a comment that not only clearly demonstrates how record company marketing has nothing to do with the quality of a band or its material, but also warrants a priceless look of mixed incredulity and disgust from Charlie). And every time Dave listed Busted's worldwide album sales to bored radio program directors, the response was always the same: Britain doesn't matter here. Nobody knows who they are. So why couldn't Universal take Busted's proven track record of success and use their willingness to work hard and use that to launch the band into a different market in the States? How fucking hard would that have been? It's not that cute boypunk bands don't exist in America -- Good Charlotte on a good day doesn't have a speck of the credibility Busted deserve. (I mean, come on: they're little more than Blink-182 through a Tim Burton lens, and how they manage to make that combination uninteresting requires a really special kind of lame skill.) And it's not like the band wouldn't have found an audience, given time: At present, Busted sits at number 4183 on the Amazon.com sales chart, selling to customers who bought records by Bowling for Soup, Good Charlotte and Sugar Cult.

In the end, the 'ted return to Britain flying Upper Class, but that's not surprising considering the rates of exchange. And although they try to appear upbeat about the experience and the label -- Matt's dramatic training at Sylvia Young comes in handy with his it's-an-honour-to-be-mentioned graciousness -- Busted isn't in the Billboard top 100 less than three months after release (if it was ever there at all) and is being outsold by Spongebob Squarepants. Hold out for the inevitable regime change and try again, fellas. Some of us have faith in you.



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i dont like busted, but i really did want them to crack america, and some parts of that programme are painful, ie the beach 'gig' when the record person phones up last minute "oh yeah, the radio shows off".
i almost took it as an american kicking a british band in the teeth, not caring about them as their not suporters of guns, over the top christianity and, ofcourse, bush. so sterotypical i know, but they did it to busted.

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not caring about them as their not suporters of guns, over the top christianity and, ofcourse, bush
that's ridiculous. Universal didn't care about Busted because they weren't making them money. If they gave Busted a chance to make them money, then they'd be beloved, like Coldplay and Franz, who are successful because they keep touring and working the secondary markets, not just the major ten cities.
The problem with british bands cracking america has nothing to do with guns, christ or bush (especially since the entertainment industry is by far the most liberal in the U.S. and does not support guns, christ and bush) but more with whether or not the band is willing to play every shithole in the country over and over until the record takes off. Now while it takes three weeks to tour Britain, it takes A YEAR or longer to tour the U.S. properly. That's 365 days of playing to the other bands' girlfriends and the sound guy in shit clubs and sleeping on a bus, if you're lucky. For bands that have had a lot of success in Britain/Europe/rest of the world, it can be a humiliating/degrading/tiresome experience.
If you're Robbie Williams and you're happy with the millions you make everywhere else, then the incentive to crack America isn't really there. Who the fuck cares if people in LA know who you are when you're making a mint in Japan?
The impression I got was that Busted wanted to crack America because it's the place where the music they love and want to play comes from and thrives. It makes sense that that's the market they want to be working in.

"America or Busted" is real cautionary tale: big record companies don't give a fuck about you, your music, your ability, your previous sales, your integrity, or your quality: they just want to sell you to the market that will make them the most money.

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Firstly, excellent article. I really enjoyed that. The best thing I've read on a music website/magazine in a very long time.

I agree with almost everything you say, but I'm not sure about how far you can take the "must play every shithole" argument. I mean, bands do that, and become credible successful bands. I'm just not sure that's necessary for acts like Robbie Williams, surely that is more about one great hit song. And I'm not sure that the pop-punk market requires any more than one hit song either.

Indie bands playing every shithole have to do meet and greet, radio promotion crap too.

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Are you kidding me? What were reruns of old westerns on TV the other day?

The record company execs lived in the North, in NYC, were probably not Bush supporters and most likely DIDN'T OWN GUNS!

Not only was it stereotypical, but you weren't even stereotyping the right group of people. Southern Americans are the ones bigots like to picture as gun carrying Christians.

I assume your English, so how about you go conquer something and then play a game of cricket with your bad teeth?

Yea...not so great when people stereotype you? Busted didn't make it in America because they really don't fit in here. It pisses me off how they were treated but I'd never say: "not caring about them as their not suporters of guns, over the top christianity and, ofcourse, bush."

But I guess that's because I live in America, and I have a brain.

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oh... i can't help but feel sorry for them. yeah i know we all think of them as more pop than punk but credit where's it due- they write their own stuff, its damn catchy and if they were prepared (even if the label wasnt) to do the lo-fi tour rounds then it shows their egos havent got the better of them. maybe they'll succeed next time - im sick of having american pop-punk bands rammed down my ears, its time they listened to ours for a change.

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Quality article, really well written AND I agree with what you've said too! :)

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Very well written article. Objective, cutting and very incisive. What I was also impressed with how this band who I so vehemently hate are presented as human (for one of the very few times ever) and I'm feeling sympathy and sadness for them. But it also makes a very good point about the struggle for any non-American bands to break America.

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"Quality article, really well written and I agree with what you've said too" seconded.

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excellent article. It's a shame for the boys really- that kind of avril lavigne market could certainly have had them with only the slightest of image redirections from only a slightly more lateral thinking record company.

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The thing about Busted seems to be that a lot of people hated them because they felt they should hate them. I can fully appreciate disliking them if you genuinely gave them a chance and judged them on the MUSIC. I think many have judged them on their images and the way they have been marketed here in the uk. If this series prooves anything its that they at kleast have the sense of integrity to try and not do that in the U.S and make it work based on the music alone, an oppourtunity they weren't given. It also prooves that as a band no matter what you may want to do and how you way want yourself to be perceived, your record company can easily stop you and send you down paths they want.

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"The thing about Busted seems to be that a lot of people hated them because they felt they should hate them."

Exactly.

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Awesome article!!! Universal just didn't take busted seriously, they didn't do anything that they said they would, It really pissed me off. America or Busted shows that they are an amazing band, when everything was going wrong they just carried on, i think thats great. People in the UK wouldnt hate them as much if they actually listened to their music. Everyone goes on about them being talentless, it's stupid, if these people had actually been to a concert then they'd no how amazingly talented they REALLY are. I'm a fan of rock music and i also like busted, their concerts are just as great as any rock concert!!! I had an awesome time and there were a hell of a lot of kerrang readers there. Mentioning Kerrang, Charlie's in it this week. saying that "HIS PASSION LIES IN FIGHTSTAR". Busted are on the verge of splitting, but hey atleast we'll still have fightstar, and hopefully Matt and James won't be forgotten!!!

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Excellent Article, particularly the bit about the 1000 anglophiles in the major cities.It's a home truth.

So who's the drummer? Why is it when I looked at the Busted website a second ago I saw no mention of the line-up?...

Perhaps because they're NOT a band. This would maybe present some problems when it comes to the business of repackaging them as a 'credible' band... They're not. Should one be annoyed at Universal for smelling the roses, or perhaps just feel sad for Busted for not realising what they are?

WOULD they have spent four months a year for three years touring the US and chatting up every record store owned in every town... like U2 or Depeche Mode did? They never 'paid their dues' here, so what makes anyone believe they're ready to do it in the far more competitive and gruelling US? Blink 182 first recorded in 1992, but didn't really break until their fourth album 'Enema of The State' in 1999, Green Day waited seven years between their first EP in 1987 and breaking ino the big time with 'Dookie' in 1994 ....would Busted be prepared to build it up over that kind of period of time??... when they could be living the lives of Reilly in Britain?

The series may have shown Universal doing their best to sell Busted as an out and out pop act. Maybe the viewer would have rathered they'd had the approach of sticking the band into a minibus and sending them out to play uninhabited toilet venues... and perhaps it would have been good to see just how long they lasted before running home with their tails between their legs ...just like Robbie.

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DiS would be all the better for more great, well researched and volumous articles like this.

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‘Pop music… has no life in America’

Are you viewing a different America to the one that sits next door to me? Are Britney and Christina dead? Has Hilary Duff been eradicated? Get over the singles thing, downloads now sell more than ‘traditional’ singles in the UK and most people here at DiS would view the singles chart as a waste of time (that is, unless someone they like gets in there, at which point credibility suddenly and miraculously returns to the singles chart…)

Who the hell in America would actually buy Busted albums? They have no ‘gritty edge’ or sob stories of a life of pain in the Good Charlotte bullshit tradition. One could argue that Green Day have only come back into fashion since they aimed their target at the biggest fashionable focus point for snotty attitude at the time ie. the ever-benevolent and philanthropic Bush administration. Ashlee Simpson plays with rock and black hair dye: Britney plays with the S & M lesbo motifs: even Kelly Clarkson is indulging in some guitar play. Busted don’t get down to their level, it’s way more happy happy joy joy. Fake pain and teenage rebellion is the current fashion in vogue and Busted don’t fall into that category. The other selling point is some kind of artistic credibility. Take last night’s episode of the OC, a programme that encapsulates teenage banality and ‘cool’. Modest Mouse were last night’s featured band, an act that’s pretty mean in itself as Modest Mouse are fucking terrible, but they come with a label of indie cool attached to them. In the past, the band Rooney were featured, in musical terms perhaps pretty comparable to Busted, and being lumped in with the OC’s crop of ‘Yeah, these bands are cool, like them and you’ll be cool too’ attitude certainly gave them more credibility. If you haven’t got the snotty teen punk attitude then you need credibility and Busted are lacking in that either. Hip-hop is the big seller, you only have to look at the charts around here to see that. Whilst hip-hop is big in Britain, it isn’t as big, go and look at the BBC Sounds of 2005 list to see the difference in thought. Few lists in the US would include so few hip-hop artists, the white guy rock selling point has dropped so much in recent years. Busted have made their name on the back of being a chirpy guitar pop band in the UK, appealing to a youthful audience. It’s pretty laughable for their manager to plead for an older audience when their material hasn’t actually changed in order to attract an older audience. There is no demand for a band like Busted: if there were then Rooney and Fountains of Wayne would be ruling the airwaves. If there’s no demand for the Busted product then it’s not surprising that they don’t sell records. American pop-punk is way different to that which Busted offer. They’re too damn clean. Simple Plan would be good competition for Busted in a fair fight but Busted would lose in the US for the aforementioned cred/teen snotpunk attitude reasons.

Lack of video play doesn’t necessarily scrap your chances. Franz Ferdinand for instance have made it over here, certainly in Toronto most of the end of year polls have pushed them up near the top of the lists and even the damn Futureheads have gotten heads turning (Razorlight however have been universally trashed around here for being the icky smegma on the end of the slowly growing limp Libertines erection). Franz Ferdinand have that credibility, they have huge crossover appeal and they backed it up with some rather fine music, without a lengthy stream of MTV/MuchMusic coverage. Coldplay too didn’t have the same sort of blanket video coverage that big selling hip hop and pop get yet Clocks in particular is fucking huge in Toronto. One can look at the influence that track has had over here by the number of ads that take the same drum track and tinkly piano descending sequence on television. Every place has a different market: for instance, why is the Mercury Rev album being released so much earlier in the UK than it is over here?

I love this article because it shows how shit the major labels actually are, that they fail to research the acts they sign and have very little idea of niche markets. If Busted are naïve to think that they’d get an older audience in the US, then the major labels are guilty of being blinkered, of knowing nothing about their potential audience, and being fucking lazy ass fucks chasing a cheap dollar. Music doesn’t matter: statistics, financial statements and projected earnings do. At least Busted aren’t Simple Plan. We can all thank Buddha for that.

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Are you viewing a different America to the one that sits next door to me? Are Britney and Christina dead? Has Hilary Duff been eradicated?

Pop ebbs and flows in America; it is not a continuous, viable genre. Louise Wener said that pop is the music industry's default position and I think that is definitely true in America. Britney and Christina made their fame during the pop boom of the mid-90s, which, by the time I left America, had trickled into three artists still having careers (Brit, Xtina, and JT) but not necessarily classifying themselves as pop. It's why Madonna must always try to reclassify herself to be considered viable. Pop is fickle in America. In Britain, it is constant and true and brilliantly, glitteringly shit -- which is why I love it so much. Cheeky cheeky!

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indeed, very good article, you seemed to have turned some peoples opinions of busted also, congrats

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excellent piece yet i cant help thinking that any band lacking in the integrity in the first place to fend off the grasping pop svengalis deserve everything they get. They wernt complaining a couple of years back when their anodine bunk that parades as pop was buying them their pensions. If i thought for a moment that busted were writing songs for all our futures and not conveyor belt tat to feather their nests i would feel an ounce of sympathy. As it is we reep what we sow. Busted planted seeds of synthetic styled pap, the crop theyve ended up with asnt come in. If you need pop with killer hooks and to die for craftmanship go buy a Brendan Benson album, maybe he would be more deserving of our hopes.

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busted are better than brendan benson any day of the week.

'please mum i want to sound like the beatles'


at least that was my impression of lapalco.

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that reminds me i must get a cabbage

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Jesu Christi, an article that makes me sorry for Busted. According to my sister (who knows all the gossip) they ARE splitting up as one of them's leaving in three months (the one who's involved with Fightstar). This just shows how the major labels act and how bands and music are tied up by the system. Busted have always been marketed to the pop market, not the rock market, and now they seem to be fed up of this. The thing is though bands like Busted don't need America. They write their own songs, and the monies they recieve for that are massive. They will do one more album, a few more hit singles and then split up. And a load more bands just like them will replace Busted. Continual musical birth and death and re-birth; that's the music business.

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Do Busted have the songwriters rights on their own songs? It'd be interesting to see the legal stuff on all of that. Why feel sorry for Busted? They didn't look too sad when everything was starting off on their slide to British popularity when they were being aimed at the younger people. The reason they weren't marketed to the rock market is because the rock market wouldn't have responded. They're not rock enough for the real rock market.

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they do. James Bourne and the Fletcher from McFly are basically the Lennon and McCartney. Although I think Busted gets the better tunes.

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I’m pretty sure they’re credited on the sleeve, so I assume they receive all songwriters’ royalties. A great piece, really well written.

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Bill Hicks would have loved Busted theyd have supplied him with great material. Busted......suck Satans cock.

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Exactly. Well written article, but fvck Busted. Some perspective, please.

The one episode I saw of this series had a "spontaneous" moment between the two who aren't Charlie-with-the-eyebrows, having a serious "heart to heart" on a rooftop somewhere.

The Tory one who doesn't want to pay tax because he's rich now was telling the one who looks like a toad with dyed hair that he's worried about how the press were going to portray him for touring whilst his Mum was ill, and that quitting and going home had crossed his mind. The one who looks like a toad with dyed hair consoled the Tory one who doesn't want to pay tax now he's rich with the thought that it's only the tabloids, man, and bollocks to what they say, but just think of all the hard work that we've put in to get here, and you'll be ruining my and Charlie-with-the-eyebrows chances of rock stardom Stateside if you go home for such a trivial issue as an ill parent.

Nice guys, I thought.

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that was a good article. insightful.

living in california, i know that if given a fair chance busted could've "made it" here in america. i've heard busted, and i've heard bands like blink-182 and sugarcult. they go hand-in-hand, and that sorta music is very, very popular here.

you have to feel sorry for them.

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that's really changed my perception of the whole 'anti-busted' debate. i'm actually looking forward to charlie getting somekind of redemption through fightstar now.

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Why does he get redemtion for being in a band that sounds just like Taking Back Sunday, and mocked for being in a band that is completely unique?

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^but the problem is, you know fightstar are probably going to be really crap, or at least another mediocre, halfway there act, in that they're too lame/clean/mor to be a credible punk band or whatever they want to be. Same goes with busted as DrFurry mentioned above. They're too clean to be put in the same category as Good Charlotte/Blink/Green Day, as they don't play that 'tortured soul' card.

Brilliant article though. However i still think it's questionable about whether Busted could crack america . Yes major labels = shit. But as the Dr says. Who really are their audience? That's the key.

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Thanks everyone for the nice comments.

I do think the question of who their audience is is a big issue, and while I can't say whether or not Busted would have Made It, I do think they had a shot. Much like Green Day and Blink and a lot of other acts, it takes time and a lot of hard (and sometimes thankless) work to be a success in just about anything, really. And even a lot of time and hard work don't really add up to much, but it's worth trying, I think. (Or at least that's what I keep telling myself when things go shit.)
There's a story about Tori Amos that I think applies here. When Atlantic signed her, they had no idea what to do with her (as a solo artist), so they sent her to Britain and gave her time to grow and develop. And her audience found her, and as just about everyone on this mortal plane knows, her audience is very devout albiet slightly insane. But it took time, word of mouth, touring, appearances, and a record company that wanted to build a career with her.
I think Busted should have been given that chance. Throw 'em on the Warp tour or something, put them in a venue with similar acts with an audience that's looking for their brand of tune. If they have IT, then the audience will respond. If they don't, well, they've still got their British millions, don't they? I doubt there would be any Fightstar if Busted had a chance to do the pop-punk thing in America.

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such a very long article about such a pathetic, inconsequential "band".

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thanks for sharing. feel free to move along now.

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they are though! they are TERRIBLE! thats why nobody takes them seriously, because they just aren't a serious band. The songs are truly, truly shit, the way they jump around and smoulder at the camera is just... SO cringeworthy. and saying they have been manipulated into being seen that way - i dont buy it. they must have been complicit in it. if they weren't so completely willing to sell out and be a lame pop 'band' then they wouldn't be in this position - so it's their own lack of integrity that's ultimately to blame.

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... and putting busted in same sentence as green day is just nonsensical. that band actually have songs a bit of style instead of inflated self-image, irrelevant persecution complexes and hand-me-down songs written by the "Lennon & McCartney" songwriters from.... McFly? McFly!! What are you on to make a comparison between The Beatles and McfuckingFly??
your article was well written though even if i passionately disagree with everything you said.

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To sell out you first have to buy in. Busted never bought in, so you cannot accuse them of selling out. Charlie is trying to buy in with Fightstar. He's doing things properly.

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No he isn't. Credibility is bought with hard work - touring and struggling to get exposure, which Busted have managed to bypass. Now they're using that success as a springboard.

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I wasn't comparing McFly to the Beatles, I was using L&Mc as shorthand for a songwriting partnership. The Beatles are my Other Favorite Band Of All Time. Of COURSE I'm not going to compare them to McFly. yeesh.
The Beach Boys, on the other hand...


but thanks for the compliment.

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Fightstar should forget it, i wouldnt be in the same band as some already tainted corperate gimp anyhow. The rest of fightstar must be on the same ticket to have anything to do with such a musical pariah.

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is it wrong that i quite enjoy Fightstars stuff? before i heard it, i had convinced myself that it would be shite, but it really can't be fauted for a post-hardcore tune.

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I never thought I'd be sticking up for a major, but here we all are, posting about how Busted aren't a credible band and that they're an out and out pop act, for better or for worse, and then slagging off their US record company for attempting to sell them to the currently not so pure pop- friendly US audience as a pop act. Again and again, we keep seeing how American bands tend to be rather more earnest and well-practised than Brit ones. It is a different mentality, and probably only the UK rock/metal fraternity has a mentality anywhere close to the same lines. Band after band talk about 'Breaking the States'... well hey... can you do a brilliant live show, night after night?? Able to get up on stage confidently and not stare at your feet? Take recent imports like Interpol... or the Kings Of Leon, the basics of band craft, like being a musically tight unit etc... they're taken care of (with the possible exception of the Strokes, who made it in a very British way).

As for Fightstar... The Beatles were the best example of a band who went from pure pop to being a credible rock band, but it wasn't as easy as just gritting up a voice or turning the guitars up in the mix... you need some meat and potatoes to your music, not just saccharine... it's a different world, where the modus operandi is more about self-expression as opposed to following rules and playing the game. SO go ahead, Charlie...you've probably got money to keep you for most of your life, so why not throw all ideas of commerciality out the window and do a Kid A! Make it good and well-crafted. That'll get you credibility

Re: America or Buster

Ah, the Strokes... a perfect example of a band who came to Britian to make it big in the States. It's part of the unofficial Transatlantic Exchange Program. We gave you the Strokes, you gave us Bush....

America or Buster

having watched most of the episodes i feel sorry for them, i'm not fan of them but could se the frustation they faced about being promoted in a way they didnt want to be. havnt heard fightstar so cant comment on them

America or Buster


Chris makes an excellent point about musicianship, to my mind that musicianship gives credibility. Some Brit bands simply have to have one great performance in London to gain headlines. One performance in a sea of thousands will do nothing in the US.

Cat, before Green Day released Dookie on Reprise, they spent seven years on small labels, playing shitholes, building up the material etc. Even Blink 182 spent time on the like of Kung Fu records before the jump over to MCA a few years later. You then get Busted coming along on a wave of pubescent teen love in the UK, signed to a huge US label who are hoping to break them to the same audience in the US. What right do Busted have to expect to be marketed to an older audience in the US when they've made their name on the back of a young audience? I can imagine that some in the US may consider this teenpop band to be a bit fucking arrogant in the way that they believe they deserve to be launched at a new audience with the same material they pumped to the Brit kids.

I don't think the comparison with Tori Amos is applicable. It's pretty damn clear that the record industry didn't have a fucking clue what her audience was so the easiest thing was just to let her audience find her and let her wander along. With Busted it's pretty apparent who their audience is, therefore you don't need to let them pootle along, you can just fire them in direct to your anticipated demographic. Everyone knows how fucking idiotic the major labels are, the continued struggle over Fiona Apple's third album shows that (for those who don't know, despite her previous two albums going platinum, Sony refuse to release the third album Extraordinary Machine because it doesn't have a single on it, despite everyone knowing that you make yer cash on album sales, fuck all on single sales, and that not having a recognisable single to the record moguls doesn't equate to commercial/profit making success. Norah Jones proved that one true, singles don't matter, make yer money on yer album).


There's a story about Tori Amos that I think applies here. When Atlantic signed her, they had no idea what to do with her (as a solo artist), so they sent her to Britain and gave her time to grow and develop. And her audience found her, and as just about everyone on this mortal plane knows, her audience is very devout albiet slightly insane. But it took time, word of mouth, touring, appearances, and a record company that wanted to build a career with her.