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Cliques And The Future Of Music

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Does anyone else feel bands like The Libertines, The Others and the rest of the Rhythm Factory scene are becoming a bit of a clique phenomenon?

There is this big "for the fans" philosophy, but on some levels it doesn't seem to work. It's hard to explain but I feel as though the die-hard, obsessive, "we go back to the singer's flat" fans shut out anybody who's trying to get into the music. It's hard to put into words, but there is something about the attitude of these bands which doesn't make me feel entirely comfortable. I like the music, just the attitude to me feels the opposite of inclusive.
RockNRollMassacre | 16 Aug '04, 20:26 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Its the old "I discovered them. They are my band not yours" effect methinks
HeartbrokenStar | 16 Aug '04, 20:28 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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whereabouts near leeds are you from?
kernelkrock | 16 Aug '04, 20:57 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Little posh town called Ilkley. I'm the stereotypical middle-class indie boy. Sorry :(.
RockNRollMassacre | 16 Aug '04, 22:19 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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i'm with you on that. You're spot on.
timothyspanner | 16 Aug '04, 20:59 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Definitely, when i'm out in certain places in Southend (Essex) with mates it's very like that with bands that are shite... and half the time they're into The Libertines, Jet - bands I feel can be within the 'clique phenomenon'. People like that seem to think that they're artistic and different when they're just conforming to an ideal fed to them through, i dunno - fashion, music and other media... this is why NME piss me off...

The bottom line is that when I get into a band that these type of people are into, they want to shut out me and others because they 'were the first' or 'i saw them when they just started', whatever...

Sometimes I think it's a fine line between an actually cool person and a 'clique' induced person. It's an attitude thing I suppose...

I dunno, i'm fuckin stoned and trying to remember the subject is proving quite difficult. I hope this makes sense cos it's a long post an' that.


---Egg
pad_of_death | 16 Aug '04, 21:29 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Exactly. People get so elitist cos they know the band or whatever, in the end though it seems rather like groupie-ism. The thing is, it's very hard to explain the line between a closed club and a cool scene.

And in the same way, people are often told they can't like something because it's not "in", and doesn't fit with the rest of their music taste, and well, i suppose it's always been happening, just with all this parties in flats and guerilla gigging it all seems particularly exclusive.
RockNRollMassacre | 16 Aug '04, 22:17 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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And thinking about it what's been happening with Mr Pete Doherty (who at first i felt sympathy for, but am now sick of) is that same thing. Doesn't turn up for gigs even though he's for the people, and then plays for his groupie fan club in his flat...
RockNRollMassacre | 16 Aug '04, 22:18 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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I just read that article in the NME.. :). Anyway. I know the feeling of liking something that isn't in. I get quite a bit of shit for it actually. Thing is, Jet and the like aren't exactly exclusive anymore because everyone... mum, dad, son, daughter seems to love them. And yes, Mr. Doherty has turned into quite a sour and selfish man .
Mystery_White_Boy | 16 Aug '04, 22:29 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Tis true, tis true...

It was a similar situation when Hope Of The States (who, incidentally, were complete and utter shite...they owe me 45 minutes of my life) played Reading last year. All the girls down the front who had to make sure that EVERYONE in the venue knew that they were friends with the band. Well done ladies....what a great achievement. Now shut up and watch the fucking show. Man, I hate people.
loveless | 18 Aug '04, 08:48 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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it'll be over by christmas to borrow a phrase - of course its a clique mentality and its nothing new to the clammy corners of London where these cliques reside for a few years and then grow up/die - if the music is shit then i see now reason to feel like yr missing our on anything
KTCfac | 17 Aug '04, 09:15 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Hasn't Ilkley got a huge fucking moor and aliens with a predilection for nabbing coppers? Fair play, not even Valhalla.. ahem, London has that.

Is Wales still fashionable now or has all attention swerved over to the Micronesian ragga scene?
DrFurry | 17 Aug '04, 21:31 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Yes it has got a moor, Wuthering Heights style. It also has aliens.

It also has a lot of middle-class southerns living in cheap, big houses (me), and old people.
RockNRollMassacre | 17 Aug '04, 22:36 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Wales is always fashionable
joe_shoo | 18 Aug '04, 03:17 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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All the fookin' time. With all the yobs and old people it's well good. Trisha this morning is a perfect example of how cool Wales is
Mystery_White_Boy | 18 Aug '04, 10:46 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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On Ilkley moor bar t'at
carrot_ram | 18 Aug '04, 10:45 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Places round Leigh... sunrooms is ok, the range of music in sunrooms saves it. proper stoner place. i can handle that.
pad_of_death | 17 Aug '04, 23:27 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Ahh, the haircuts in the grand etc
If they still do them, the spanked monkey in the scumrooms is sublime
lou- | 18 Aug '04, 16:38 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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They have scales in fornt of some clubs in hoxton and shoreditch and if you weigh over the suggested weight - ie 6 stone - they stab you with shards from old toyah records whilst sucking in their cheeks like a nightmare featuring Gerald scarfe caricatures
KTCfac | 18 Aug '04, 16:52 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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