It’s as-it-says-on-the-tin simple: this week, we want you to DiScuss us. We want your opinions on areas of the site that could be modified, or tweaked, or completely overhauled. We want to know what draws you to the site – perhaps a couple of times a week, maybe once a month, possibly every single day – and what keeps you here. We want information, spoon fed on silver cutlery. We need it in order to develop, to progress, to evolve. As that’s precisely what you see whenever you log onto DiS: evolution in effect. The last six years have seen dozens of changes, the comings and goings of features and facilities; we’re far from the perfect beast just yet.
DrownedinSound.com only really exists because of its readers – we’re only here, at our desks from sun up to sun down, because of you. Yes, that sounds fairly ‘heard it all before’, but really: DiS is as much yours as it is ours. The site’s interactivity is perfect evidence of this. We do value your thoughts and opinions. So give them to us.
Reviews are a vital component of the site’s make-up, but could their presentation be improved? Are you drawn to the lead review in each section – live, singles and albums – only, or do the lists beneath each lead review image also attract your cursor? Do you think that redesigning the front page to accommodate lead-in paragraphs for each album, or each review that we choose to feature, would make you more likely to read the whole piece? Would the front page look better with fewer reviews on it? Would you click through another page, or two, to read reviews of what’s out this week?
Speaking about the front page in slightly broader terms, do you feel it’s a little too busy? Would you like to see it simplified, perhaps prioritising images over text? Would a contents table, where the daily lead feature currently resides, be beneficial? Are there certain features that you’d like to see highlighted a little better, such as interviews? Is our current approach, of using differently styled images in the lead feature box for each new article, an appreciated one, or should the front page always look near enough the same?
News is another key part of DiS. Do you think we cover enough stories, and that there’s enough diversity across the acts we report on? Do you appreciate articles highlighting smaller bands’ tours, or would you rather read our take on the latest Pete Doherty or Michael Jackson nonsense? Is there a balance of the amusing but trivial and the serious and genuinely interesting? Do the stories need to be listed as you see them on the front page now, or would you click through to another page to see the latest headlines?
So far as interactivity goes – the features available to users – what could be improved upon? Are there any additional options for messaging that you’d like to see implemented? Are the gig listings – and release listings – easy to follow, and are we noting enough upcoming events and records? Are you aware of the gig calendar facility, and have you been using it?
Are user reviews a good or bad idea? Have you written any? Do you find this feature a way of gaining a valuable second opinion on a record or gig, or is it too easy for a particular band’s fans to take advantage of the facility, thus generating a series of 10/10 ratings for their mates?
Really, guys and girls, feedback. That’s what we want. Below, a slew of comments criticising the site and kissing it tenderly, slicing off its many ears and tickling its underarms, please. That’d be super-swell fantastic. The writer of the best comment we read below, we’ll send them some stuff. I have lots of stuff on my desk – records, post-it notes with scribbles on them, poorly-drawn pictures of pints of ale, a mug with cold tea in it, badges, stickers, more records. Yeah, stuff.
And, go…
Better listings
or just any at all for Bristol
please
My two cents
More options on band profiles? Like the fans can vote for favourite songs or leave comments or recommendations for people who want to get into that band/musician.
An option to go through gigs a month at a time, going through week by week can take its time.
An option for users to create new band profiles- this COULD be open to abuse admittedly but could help with more local bands, etc etc.
I prefered
the old blue sites front page that had the album/singles/live review horizontally on the front page so you could see all of whats new at a glance (yes I am too lazy to scroll down) now I just head straight to the your site link and miss stuff. Also what happened to the book and film reviews? and I liked blank subjects but I guess you cant have them for the last 10 posts profile bit.
like this
http://web.archive.org/web/20050127152633/http://drownedinsound.com/
just seemed more drawn to the content when it was like that
what moribund says
the listings section is pretty useless for finding what's coming up in Bristol and probably a lot of other cities.
Some way
to hide/collapse the messages that were there last time I looked on the boards/comments.
Slash/slash.
Less ranting!
Best thing...
...about the site: the discussion aspect. This discussion an example, but mainly the discussion boards, that's what keeps me coming back every day.
Also, I think that the quick turn-overs of singles/albums/live reviews is excellent; the scope too is pretty reasonable, although obviously the more the merrier, as with any review site I guess.
The lists of reviews attracts me well enough; i'd rather see a longer list than a short list that had pictures.
The length of reviews is excellent, and many of the reviews are excellent.
But perhaps my one criticism would be that there are not enough people writing the reviews, most seem to be by the same people.
I don't know if this is because of a lack of quality reviewers, a lack of people willing to review, or a general un-willingness to get newies in 'just in case', but there you go.
The news aspect of the site is good, although perhaps a tad behind other newsy sites, NME.com for example, but then again, I guess that's always gonna be the way. Pretty good variety also, maybe not enough scoops dammit.
General lack of bias is good, lots of positives for lots of different types of music.
And the interactive link element within the site, I like a lot. For example, the information on labels/cities/venues, an excellent example of attention to detail indeed.
I personally have not written or read any user reviews, perhaps the little voice in my head is going "but surely it will be of a lower standard than the actual review", which is dumb, because there is every chance that user reviews could be of a high standard indeed, so a good feature of the site yes. Do you, DrownedinSound chieftains, browse user reviews looking for new talent?!
In general, I'm not gonna lie, I rate www.drownedinsound.com. Good people, young and old, good variety of music, good level of humour, bloody good profile contributors...
yep, we browse user reviews...
...all the time!
Glad to hear...
...it Mr. Mike_Diver!
The calendar would be greatly improved
If you could add your own events too. Often there are events overlooked, or only certain tour dates mentioned.
i can think of
only a couple of things i'd change:
1) make it more clear that user reviews are user reviews. but have more of them.
2) show the star rating in the title so if we're just looking for a good album to check out (or a bad review for our entertainment) we can get there faster
3) more demo/unsigned/small indie label stuff
i *really like* the way comments are posted under the article. in tree format as opposed to a straight list. don't change that.
here, here
bring back demo reviews - appreciate they take time and content away from "proper" reviews, and you must receive 9 cack demos for every 1 thats good, but I discovered some good stuff through the old demo reviews
agreed
so, let's say better listings and demo reviews
i'll third that
more demos, more small releases, maybe the film/book reviews as well.
Apart from that, I'd say that the quality of the reviews, particularly some of the singles, is a little hit-and-miss. Granted, I could read Divers and crablins rantings for hours at work and feel no guilt whatsoever, but I couldn't say the same for some of the smaller reviews. Which is a shame, because it's often these records which are the real hidden gems.
listings...well, as a londoner we don't get a bad deal at all, but having lived in exeter and oxford as well, I can appreciate the need for listings that cover many more cities equally, especially those with thriving scenes.
In that respect, how about having partnerships/information exchanges with other regional sites? Maybe have Scene Reports a la Maximum Rock n Roll, focusing on a different town once in while, the good bands coming out of there, local venues where bands trying to book tours could play?
Essentially, whilst I love the information service you kids give in regards to records, maybe giving the same attention to live music, scenes, venues and small bands would turn this site into a much larger and more active community.
i'd say
we get about 200 cack demos for every good one.
i think the correct rate for finding a good demo is
a gazillion to 1
so
write about the good one? you know, support the GOOD unsigned bands and ignore the rest?
would you
like to come listen to 200 demos a week for us then? there is only colin, matt and mike working on the site full time and if i had time to listen to demos as well as running a label and furthering the whole dis empire i'd be some kinda time magician.
i'd happily help
seriously.
weezer_indie_bloke said something similar
But it might be an idea to implement some kind of wikipedia dealio, mainly with the band profiles. Basically, people should be able to submit a profile for a band that isn't already covered
I'm not suggesting that it work this simply, but perhaps any submitted profile would have to be OK'd by you guys? And if none of you have any idea whether the submitted profile is accurate, surely it can't be too difficult to run it by the band/label in question? A simple template email should do that
I know that I'd definately submit some profiles if it were possible. And imagine the breadth of music and genre covered if EVERYBODY could get involved in this way? It would also give you guys some fresh ideas (not that you need them - but who doesn't want to find out more about music?) on what you might like to cover in the future, as you could see how users are rating a new band, and so on and so forth
So erm, yeah
.
I also browse metacritic a lot as I find it hard to trust the opinion of one critic, no matter what I think of the general quality of their reviews. Its also just interesting, I think, to see what magazines love/hate a big album. Maybe a little section on big reviews with a few soundbites/scores from your major rivals.
Tbh
I'm not sure it's worth it, if you have metacritic already, why bother?
Global Dis
LISTINGS
Drowned in sound aims to be a global music site as it takes in music from all round the world. However, there are not listings for those people who live on the other side of the pond. I do not think it would take much to rope an american/canadian/mexican in on updating gig listings in their local borough. If a New Yorker got involved, then like london, there would be a shit load of gigs in the listings section for that area. This would then expand the stragnlehold that DIS could have over the internet music based community.
MUSIC PLAYERS
We all hear that you all know bands, so I don't think they would mind giving you or liscencing their songs to put in a music player that sits on the website. This could add interactivity to the site as userse could vote on songs to be put up for the next week.
BAND PROFILES
Dont go down the myspace route as it is lame, i think the band profiles at the moment or great as they are short but sweet. Giving you everything that you need to know about a band. However, additions to this could be a user upload, where users can upload their bands, maybe for a small price so they can be included in the growing list of bands that inhabit the DIS database.
FORUMS
The forums have a life of their own, and it is they that bring the most users back to the website. Nothing to say here as I think the forums are one of the best on the web
Hope this has been helpful to mike/colin/matt etc.
I had a big think about this so i hope the above thoughts were helpful.
i agree
Global listings is something I think is really key. We will be trying to expand the site away from being UK-centric as obviously we live in a global age and it's becoming increasingly clear that the music we're writing about isn't just reserved to the UK.
RE: Music players - this is the aim of our podcast.
re: global listings
My only criticism is that the listings aren't quite as thorough for the UK as a whole.
With regards to global listings, it would be very handy/helpful if there were listings for as many major cities as possible as I'll be living abroad next year. I'd gladly do the listings for you for nothing if it means helping DiS
Oh actually
Perhaps some writers on dance and hip hop? It's a bit under-represented.
^ true say
more techno/house/electro/electronica/breaks would be interesting, but kind of diverting from the indieness a bit
It wouldn't even have to be that much
I love DiS's indieness.
it won't be appreciated
we did advertise for hip-hop/dance contributors a while ago
didn't we? obviously no takers.
I want to see more hiphop and dance
more news on this may be forthcoming.
I think DiS is still too indie/rock-centered (although in saying this I tend to piss off Colin and Mike rather... it is getting gradually more diverse)
it's a chicken and egg situation
and has been like since we started.
i think "indie-centric" is unfair
looking at the album reviews quickly, there's Hatebreed, Dr. Octagon, The Thermals, Slayer, Mountain Goats etc. it's not the NME.
and in regards to hip-hop, i'd argue there's really not much around that's exciting. not that that should deny it reviews, but when the most interesting thing I can think of is a Stones Throw retrospective compilation, it's dire.
Inspectah
Deck!
no idea squashing
mister rauf..
Make it easier to find new music
Maybe have a featured new band every week, or something along those lines. Currently, I'm reading every review of bands I haven't heard of, in the hope of finding the jem.
I'd Support Making Gig Listings Into A Wiki-Type Format
With hundreds of contributing DiSers I presume ready to contribute and regularly update and many such as me very willing to update listings for our home town/areas, I think it would work. Sabotage is always the danger but to be honest a) who would sabotage gig listings? b) the potential benefits outweigh the risks.
Maybe also some sort of news ticker of very new news? With clickable links like the BBC News front page?
It would improve "capacity" i.e. how many stories you could fit on the front page for a start, just a thought.
I also LOVE the listings feature.
really, I think its great!
I second the opinion just up there ^^ about representation of other genres aside from indie, too.
I second...
...adman2001 about getting a music player, that would be AWESOME. Surely you could play stuff from DrownedinSound Recordings?
Also, perhaps more available downloads/videos would be grand.
Don't change
anything. Love the humour, love the lack of arse licking, love the reviews.
Gimmie some audio previews of new singles though.
.
http://www.drownedinsound.com/radio
OK ermm.
The best part of the site is discussion and user contribution. People like the idea of being able to "make a difference".
I like this site over other sites because if I go to somewhere like say...pitchfork and they review and album I really like and basically say: "It's shit", then there's nothing I can do about that.
However on this site I can comment the review, saying why I disagree, or I can write my own, and give my own rating, and I can rate the band myself.
It's good to know that, say for example Raz has reviewed the latest Bronx single and says it's a bit boring, 4/10 etc, that I've commented it saying how I think it's actually one of their best tracks. This makes a difference I think. People DO read the review comments. If someone was reading that review thinking "Meh I like them, dont think I'll bother with this one then..." and then see my comment and decide otherwise, then it could make the difference of them finding new albums/bands/tracks they love, or not.
To expand on this I think that there should be an "average user rating" for whatever is being reviewed. It's all about people being able to give their feedback and "make a difference", the interactivity. I know we can rate bands, but what if I think a band are ace and then all of a sudden release some shit song? Or have 2 albums out, one ace one 10/10 and one crap one 1/10? That doesn't mean I think the band are somewhere inbetween as a 5/10 then...
Maybe for the news their should be like a "small news" that doesn't really fit in with the main news. Maybe from sources such as band websites or myspace bulletins or whatnot. Like if a band has said "we're going to start recording the new album next week". Or "our new record is out on **/**/**".
Also for reviews, why not have a featured user review every day/week or something? This might even encourage people to write reviews or better quality reviews (definitely not mine then :P)
And for music direction, to be honest I wouldn't really like to see more hip hop and stuff reviewed....
I'm aware of the listings and gig calendar, but to be honest there's never ever any listings for my area (Stoke-on-trent) even though we're getting more and more bands playing around here. To be honest it wouldnt be that difficult to keep updated, there's only about two venues which the "main bands" play at here. Obviously there's a lot more venues than that but even if you just got the listings for "The Sugarmill" ( http://www.thesugarmill.co.uk/gigguide.php )
or "The Underground" then there would be a lot more to go by for people visiting the site.
Finally, as for the main/home page, I like how it's set out now. The news on the right hand side, a "main article" at the top, and the single, album, and live reviews along the middle. However my screen resolution is 1280x1024 and there is a lot of wasted space on the right hand side. Don't know if something can be done about that?
Ermmm yeah :) I think that's it? Great site, I love it :) It's literally changed a lot of aspects of my life. Maybe even changed my life. I listen to different music, better music than I did before. So I'm happier :) I go to different gigs, more gigs, meet more people... Basically it's just a bit ace!
I hope that reads ok.
It's getting late...
I definitely agree with
Jolley, on the following points:
1)having "average user ratings" for reviews
2)featured user reviews every day/week
As for listings, i agree with whoever said we should be able to add our own listings. The event calender would be a lot more helpful if i could actually add half the things i was going to.
Aside from that though, i really enjoy visiting the site. Lovely, informative and interesting people, some good reviews and reccomendations and a nice layout.
the problem with
having "average user ratings" for reviews is that in the age of street teaming, the place just gets flooded. like back when the ordinary boys had an average rating of 9/10 - that literally could not have been "honest", or whatever. it's a nice idea but yeah there's too many bastards in the world.
click throughs
i generally prefer not to have to click through to another page unless i have to.
Sometimes a line or 2 under an album review would be helpful when it comes to the many bands i've never heard of, saves skimming through the ones of no interest. I appreciate that these are probably bloody irritating to write though.
I hate your logo at the top of the page, can't exactly remember what the old one looked like but it was certainly better.
Apart from that it's great, well written (the most important aspect) and generally entertaining
i like the logo, artwork colours etc.
forum
also a search function on the forum would be useful (unless i've just missed it?)
and
an edit function for comments, hence this post
If you can persuade MySQL or InnoDB
to implement fulltext search for the InnoDB storage engine, then I'll give you a forum search.
How's that for a deal.
more raz
pretty much.
i love DiS
loved it when i was a reader, still love it now i'm writing.. but its disappointing that people think the listings stuff needs improving, because i spend so much damn time listing stuff, at least an hour a day. i try and list whatever comes my way for the South East, and i thought it was going well.
editing posts would be EXCELLENT.
perhaps what would be good instead of reinstating demo reviews would be a demo roundup, of the stuff worth checking out, rather than individual 'proper' reviews.
Direct links to sound files needed
If the reviewers could provide a direct link to the tunes in question (myspace, band site, label site, etc) right at the top of the review, that would really help. There's nothing quite like listening to the music while reading the review.
Beyond that, the site is magnificent and is at the top of my favorites list, even ahead of the 'fork and the mighty Tiny Mix Tapes and Cokemachine Glow. This feedback feature is a big reason why. The great writing is the other.
yr biggest fan in mid-Willamette Oregon,
RstJ
I think
drawing special attention to the single/album/live act of the day/week/month would be a good idea. Other than that I can't think of anything that would really improve the site. Without sounding too sycophantic, it's hard to make something already so good better.
Hum
Homepage,
- I'd probably like to see the ratings for the singles, albums, as icons next to the link to see whats worth reading before clicking through to the articles.
Event Listings
- A more complex event search, being about to select ranges, maybe with a visual calendar to select by month.
- show only dis picks
Forums
- Icons to describe the category, maybe in music forum for gig, album, mypsace plug, promoter, etc.
- Subcategories.
- Replies not needing a title.
Profile Page
- Favourite Venues
- last.fm weekly charts.
I like it all
I should have a column as I like writing? that last sentence passes as my CV?
get a better
title bar design. the speakers and photoshop grass annoys me. maybe when a record is released two people could reviewit sepratly..and so you get two different viewpoints and scores.
you could add
a stream player for artists that are on DIS, i'd defo go on DIS in school a lot more, also my screen name is utter shite, wouldn't mind some way to change it without just makking a new profile-i can't be bothered ratting all the music AGAIN, gah!
twin reviews...
...users can add user reviews, i.e. a second opinion, to any release we cover.
And a great deal that we don't!
calendar feature
desn't work for all the gigs you list, i started trying to use it, but then gave up because i still needed a seperate list elsewhere to cover the stuff that's not on DiS and the stuff that's in the DiS news but not with the calendar function (ie Cursive was, but Planes wasn't).
Generally speaking though - DiS is bonza.
oh, and more DiS radio - i especially enjoyed the folk show and the rock show, so maybe more genre/theme shows...
yak yak
News: Maybe slightly more stories? I enjoy the diversity of the stories posted (across all genre's etc) but sometimes things can go a little quiet on that front...
Listings: More! For some reason London isn't respresented as well as it could on the site. Maybe aim for something as comprehensive as ents24? In terms of general listings across 'our genres' if that makes sense. EG, wouldn't expect to see Panic! or Kylie tours listed, just more for bands in our pigeon holes.
Forums: Make them prettier. Give the profiles more options. Myspace links, messenger links, more interactive.
To an extent though, the site aint really broke, so it doesn't need much fixing.
why shouldn't i be listed?
the public should know where i am at all times.