awful - like being pounced on by rabid obsessives that could make you feel uncool for liking the coolest band in all of history. i don't understand them. well, i do a little - they are the kind of people who will argue over the minutae of the school funding system at PTA meetings in twenty years while the rest of us roll our eyes and ignore them. the kind of people who have to be involved in fucking everything. and are willing to whore themselves for a few stickers and badges and a chance to touch the hem of their hero's garment. they should be lined up and issued with copies of No Logo and told to go home and think about what they have done.
And what about people who are part of a street team for clubs and music venues, those of us who quietly try and promote our friends events? are we to be tarred with the same brush? A little harsh methinks Mr Brainlove. Until you've stood on the street getting pissed on (and yes, I DO mean by rain clouds, not tramps - tho they routinely try and steal my beer) in the name of good music and a few pounds of an evening, perhaps you should keep you highfallutin ideals where they belong.
Incidentally what would No Logo have to do with it?
promoting your mates gig is not street teaming. its flyering. thats fine. street teams are like some kind of annoying cult that make you take stuff and write your address down and wont leave you alone. free foot soldiers for large commercial organisations that exploit their enthusiasm / stupidity (delete according to your mood)
I know Traffic's work quite well, as it happens. All I can say is, it's a circular argument. If you're THAT into a band, you won't think of it as exploitation, rather doing something for a band you love. Admittedly, it is a cheaper way of the companies getting their wares over.
But when you think about it, some of the bands (Bloc Party in particular) are on smaller labels, so I hold nothing aginst them, their companies or their street teamers.
Anyway, what's worse, street teamers or MTV2 trying to screw the indies over like they did earlier this year? Imagine they'd gotten away with their plans, street teaming would've been the future of promotion!!
im a "street teamer" whatever you want to call me. I do it 'cos i enjoy it but i dont do it for any bands that throw free stuff at me.
i enjoy helping bands out by getting their name out their and telling people about them in whatever ways..flyering, giving out badges/stickers, posting on msg boards, asking people if they want to be on the band in question mailing list. i dont harrass people, if they dont want to know then fine.
yeah i may get "free stuff" for doing it but thats not my motive.
i also do it for venues, events, friends etc.
i dont think there's anything wrong with street teams.
And besides, its a fine line really. If you read the 'what do i have to do' section of the website above, it basically says 'hand shit out'......which is pretty much what i do when flyering. and until you actually become a person that does that sort of thing, you'll never know the reasons why people do it, nor can you comment. personally, i flyer because its a fun job, i get to talk to people, and i get to promote a club and a group of music promoters that i believe in. sure its a job, sure i get paid for it, sure i get free club/gig entry, but in return they get an enthusiastic person out on the street talking about their club and a club that i love- and i feel in no way exploited for that enthusiasm, because at the end of the day - not all street teams work for large corporations. hell, my bosses live above a pub.
on the other side of the coin, however, i am sure that there people out there that do it for different reasons than me (ie for the free shit when they don't actually love or believe in anything).....but each to their own.
From an entirely different perspective, the looks and ideas of the website and the whole concept, conjure up violence inducing memories of meeting people at gigs who proudly announce that they are actually so-and-so from the NME angst board. Will this be the new thing I hear, *adopts 'twat-like' voice* "Oh, I'm a street teamer for <insert band name>"?
So you harass people on the street before peppering every phone box within half a mile with stickers of your favourite band that nobody knows/cares about?
WELL FUCKING DONE!!
I thought we fought against the nazi's to stop shit like this...?
Somehow (and don't ask me how!!!!!!!) bands manage to be successful without gangs of simpering sixth-formers bugging everyone who goes to their gigs. And have done for decades. I was hoping this street team thing would fade out soon.
No I don't forgive your ignorance.
I'm positive Klein would have something to say about this - an entire chapter of No Logo was about how large companies relate to youth culture.
Have you even read it?
Yeh, I have...but the point I'm making is that most of the bands who use street teams (the ones I know at least) are operating on a fairly grass roots level, and the very reason that they need to use street teams is in order get the same amount of promotion afforded to bands signed to major labels. As has been implied elsewhere in this thread, street teaming is only a slightly more organised, larger scale version of flyering for a mate's band...you like the band, you want other people to know about them, you want them to be successful, so you help promote them. You're not being used as a "tool" or exploited as cheap labour by you friend, in the same way that helping a label promote a band you like is not exploitation...just a fun way of getting involved with music you love. And where's the harm in that? ;-)
I think we used to have them here in southern california before Ahr-nold had them all shipped to Utah. Can't tell you how much I miss the Jehovah's Witnesses coming by for a little tea and chat about Jesus.
I'm teasing! I don't even know what the fuck we're talking about... ya know, which rarely stops me from having an informed opinion on the subject....
Why not just take the free crap off them and donate it to oxfam or something? and dump the fliers in the rubbish? how do they actually make sure people give a shit and are doing the work?
I think alot of you are being way too harsh about all of this.
But then I expected it before I read, given the fact that alot of people on here are very small minded and love and reason to abuse and argue with people.
I meant take the free stuff of labels and donate/dump it, I wasn't advocating mugging the poor sods. What's to stop you signing up to the 'street team', taking all the free crap and do sod all promotion for them? if enough people did that perhaps they'd get the message and actually pay to advertise their shit
at the end of the day..if people are willing to do it and are happy doing it (for free/freebies etc) then what is the problem? its a good way for fans to get involved with a band they like.
if you dont want a flyer blah blah dont take one. if you dont want to join the mailing list...dont.simple.
shut up moaning about it !!
im beginning to think this forum should be called 'Drowned in arrogance/ignorance/small-minds/arguments'
get over yourselves
i guess I'm qualified to argue the pro-street team comment as I run one...I'm fully aware of all the negative feelings some people direct at street teaming, and having thought about it over the last few years I've been doing this, here's how I reconcile what we do....
Just suppose rather than some evil machiavellian, exploitative scheme, street teaming's about motivated music fans helping the artists the love - yes in return for thank you gig tickets and CDs...maybe it's not too dissimilar to the way that those contributing to a fanzine such as DiS of their own volition, do so because they enjoy commenting about music and ensuring people are hearing about the music they love in return for promos to review, or free gig tickets...? just a thought.
No-one's holding a gun to street teamers' heads, nor the many, many people who enthusiastically take badges/stickers or sign up to mailing lists at gigs, knowing perhaps that they might not be bothered/forget to do it the morning after some heavy drinking or whatever. Everyone on this board is clearly online savvy, band knowledgable and has enough initiative to hunt out music themselves - not everyone out there is as clued up as you fine people, so why not help show them the way once they've enjoyed a band, and signed up because they want to hear more?
It's very rare a street teamer comes fwd to cover a gig / hand stuff out for a band they're less than 100% excited about (who could be bothered otherwise?), and they want to help great bands like The Futureheads, Radio 4, Ella Guru, The Hidden Cameras, Joy Zipper etc who aren't exactly likely to get constant radio 1 rotation or NME coverage, some of the exposure they deserve.
Yes, bigger bands like The Streets, The Libertines, Belle & Sebastian etc have street teams, but it's through these bigger acts that it facilitates opening the door for smaller marginalised artists getting some of the promotion otherwise tight marketing budgets wouldn't allow for.
street teams if done properly can be an extension of fan clubs - you're passionate about a band/artist, so why not use the tools available to spread the word, rather than keep them all to yourself the way some pretentious music fans seem to enjoy doing...? I don't have much time for so-called music fans who go mad once their fave band gets huge or some - gasp! - mainstream exposure. they suddenly go off them and find a more obscure band to devote their inflated egos onto.
rant over...all I know is that if one more person gets into say, the marvellous Futureheads and goes sees them live or checks out their album as a result of being handed a flyer at another gig, then I don't feel bad about what we do.
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enthuse about bands you like, not about bands whose labels send you cheap free stuff.
i mean, who wants a free Zutons cd, really?
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Incidentally what would No Logo have to do with it?
jr*
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But when you think about it, some of the bands (Bloc Party in particular) are on smaller labels, so I hold nothing aginst them, their companies or their street teamers.
Anyway, what's worse, street teamers or MTV2 trying to screw the indies over like they did earlier this year? Imagine they'd gotten away with their plans, street teaming would've been the future of promotion!!
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i enjoy helping bands out by getting their name out their and telling people about them in whatever ways..flyering, giving out badges/stickers, posting on msg boards, asking people if they want to be on the band in question mailing list. i dont harrass people, if they dont want to know then fine.
yeah i may get "free stuff" for doing it but thats not my motive.
i also do it for venues, events, friends etc.
i dont think there's anything wrong with street teams.
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on the other side of the coin, however, i am sure that there people out there that do it for different reasons than me (ie for the free shit when they don't actually love or believe in anything).....but each to their own.
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So you harass people on the street before peppering every phone box within half a mile with stickers of your favourite band that nobody knows/cares about?
WELL FUCKING DONE!!
I thought we fought against the nazi's to stop shit like this...?
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I'm positive Klein would have something to say about this - an entire chapter of No Logo was about how large companies relate to youth culture.
Have you even read it?
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I'm teasing! I don't even know what the fuck we're talking about... ya know, which rarely stops me from having an informed opinion on the subject....
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But then I expected it before I read, given the fact that alot of people on here are very small minded and love and reason to abuse and argue with people.
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if you dont want a flyer blah blah dont take one. if you dont want to join the mailing list...dont.simple.
shut up moaning about it !!
im beginning to think this forum should be called 'Drowned in arrogance/ignorance/small-minds/arguments'
get over yourselves
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I can see the headlines now.
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ive had a laugh listening to u people
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Just suppose rather than some evil machiavellian, exploitative scheme, street teaming's about motivated music fans helping the artists the love - yes in return for thank you gig tickets and CDs...maybe it's not too dissimilar to the way that those contributing to a fanzine such as DiS of their own volition, do so because they enjoy commenting about music and ensuring people are hearing about the music they love in return for promos to review, or free gig tickets...? just a thought.
No-one's holding a gun to street teamers' heads, nor the many, many people who enthusiastically take badges/stickers or sign up to mailing lists at gigs, knowing perhaps that they might not be bothered/forget to do it the morning after some heavy drinking or whatever. Everyone on this board is clearly online savvy, band knowledgable and has enough initiative to hunt out music themselves - not everyone out there is as clued up as you fine people, so why not help show them the way once they've enjoyed a band, and signed up because they want to hear more?
It's very rare a street teamer comes fwd to cover a gig / hand stuff out for a band they're less than 100% excited about (who could be bothered otherwise?), and they want to help great bands like The Futureheads, Radio 4, Ella Guru, The Hidden Cameras, Joy Zipper etc who aren't exactly likely to get constant radio 1 rotation or NME coverage, some of the exposure they deserve.
Yes, bigger bands like The Streets, The Libertines, Belle & Sebastian etc have street teams, but it's through these bigger acts that it facilitates opening the door for smaller marginalised artists getting some of the promotion otherwise tight marketing budgets wouldn't allow for.
street teams if done properly can be an extension of fan clubs - you're passionate about a band/artist, so why not use the tools available to spread the word, rather than keep them all to yourself the way some pretentious music fans seem to enjoy doing...? I don't have much time for so-called music fans who go mad once their fave band gets huge or some - gasp! - mainstream exposure. they suddenly go off them and find a more obscure band to devote their inflated egos onto.
rant over...all I know is that if one more person gets into say, the marvellous Futureheads and goes sees them live or checks out their album as a result of being handed a flyer at another gig, then I don't feel bad about what we do.
laters x
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If someone if really into a band and pushing them coz they lovethe music then it's good.
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