Can I be the first to say....


.....Fuck OFF forever. Thank you.

Gah! I thought the other day we had heard the last...

*le sigh*

BUT YOU SAID PETE WAS EATEN BUY A SHARK!?!?!?

Did'nt Primal Scream murder a tune with that biatch?

THis woman now has no credibility whatsoever now - and therefore no legacy - all she has now is a fag ash face to look forward to

So what if she is paid too much to pout a bit, would any of you pass up the chance if it were offered to you? By all means criticise a society and fashion industry that feels people are worth that sort of money (they aren't, the same way Premiership footballers are overpaid) but being critical of the person seems somewhat churlish.

Im on about her piss poor marianne Faithful thing of hanging out with pop stars - first gillespie now doherty - its a bit sad do you not think

don't really care about her modelling she gets loads of wedge and men wank over her - a fair deal for some you may say

I love the way the music press will write about her and make her out to be a slag but you'll never see that written about a male musician. How refreshing to see that sexist double standard alive and in full effect in the press and from some people here, the same sexist shit that the like of Kim Gordon has been trying to nail for years. So fucking what if she shagged a few people? Is that some capital offence against taste and decency? Some of the opinions here read like a press statement from some Christian family morality group. Clearly it's rock n' roll to fuck around if you're male but an offence deserving of the lynchmob if you're a woman.

"there's a difference between taking what is offered to you on a plate and marching down brixton academy with all your supermodel-y friends with the sole purpose of shagging the headliners. "

And what is that difference, my mildly perturbed spouter of jabber? That if sex is offered to you freely and you take full advantage, that's rock n' roll but if a woman goes out and actively searches for what she fancies and ends up successful, that's utter slutdom and she should be pistol whipped for doing so? You characterise Kate Moss as being someone who simply fucks celebrities, maybe even hinting she only does it for the fame. Why would she do that, given that she's more famous than virtually all the musicians she may or may not have fucked? Fuck, she's been in modelling circles for longer than most bands will have successful careers, NME has run hundreds of covers featuring people that she hasn't slept with (although the idea of her sleeping with a dead Brian Jones has a certain necrophiliac humour in it) yet you portray her as some form of serial whore. Christ, 21st fucking century calling outdated views, please respond once the next step of evolution kicks in.

Sex is a personal matter. In 1967, Canada Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau summed it up when he said that "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." when queried over the decriminalization of homosexual behaviour and I see no reason why we should judge people by whom they fuck and how often they fuck. I'm no fan of Courtney Love courtesy of her media charades and generally awful music and films yet I wouldn't call her a cheap slut because she has been known to get her cooch out on stage. It simply seems cheap and bizarrely old-fashioned to denouce Moss as some muso-fucing witch. Let's leave the hackneyed opinions to the 'moral majority', yes?

Sorry, missed a bit... what I meant to add in was that the state should have no place in judging people by their sexual preferences and neither should the general public. Basing your opinion on someone through NME and tabloid gossip is pretty sad.

Two things:

1) Kate Moss isn't a slag, and to call her so would be hypocritical, oppressive and a perpetuation of chauvinist double standards. She is, however, a fucking idiot.

2) Funny isn't it, how EVERYONE on this board seems to think that an accusation of reading the NME is the most sure-fire way to destroy an opponent's credibility?

“errr hypocrite much. you have no right whatsoever to tell me what i interpret as sexually promiscuous.
it's glaringly obvious that you've been reading too many indie band shit-rags - i couldnt give a fuck about how 'rock and roll' a band are yet you still base half your argument on a self-suggested cliche.
as a female, i think it'd be ignorant of me to uphold old-fashioned values and support chauvinist masculine ideals. if you'd bothered to READ what i'd said instead of spouting pretentious bullshit about morals, you'd see that i'm not slagging off kate moss in particular but ANYBODY who shags around, regardless of gender and whether or not they're a model, musician or a fucking taxi driver.
so yeah, argue and pretentious quote your way round it but please take in all the information before being such a self-righteous cunt and banging on about things that havent even been said.”

Pretentious? Moi?

Firstly I read no indie band shit-rags, by which I imagine you mean NME, because it’s expensive out here in sunny Toronto and my precious dollars would be wasted when there’s far better magazines to buy and digest. Secondly, you make judgments about people based on gossip column tittle-tattle about their sex life and opine that anyone who shags around is some kind of whore. I don’t give a shit if you restrict that opinion to one gender or both, it’s still fucking stupid. Marychain, are you married? If not, have you had sex? If so, would religious accusations of you being dirty piss you off, for moralistically some with religious beliefs may view you in the same way as you view Kate Moss and others. As I said before, making and forming an opinion about someone based entirely on their legal sexual activities is pathetic, old-fashioned and grossly judgmental. It’s the sort of shit feminists have fought and the same shit many gay people are fighting, the knee-jerk horseshit from ill-educated people that equates multiple sexual partners to being in league with the Devil. The only time I made any illusion to a rock n' roll ideal was in trying to offer an explanation for your statement below:

‘there's a difference between taking what is offered to you on a plate and marching down brixton academy with all your supermodel-y friends with the sole purpose of shagging the headliners.’

You still haven’t explained your opening argument as quoted above. What is this crucial difference?

An accusation of reading the NME isn't a sure-fire way of reducing anyone's credibility to ragged pieces. An accusation of them forming a tangent opinion based mostly around NME articles and gossip columns is. It's like forming a political opinion based around editorials from the Sun: one-paced and biased.

Of course, all people should be released from the bullshit idea that having lots of sex partners equates to you being one of Satan's workers. That goes for women, men, gays, lesbians, transexuals, everyone. Certianly in North America there is that prudish element returning so we'll see how things turn out. I agree that there is there are men who fuck simply because 'that's what men do', those men also need to be enlightened. I didn't suggest all the men she has been with are 'up for it by default' because there is no evidence either that they are or that they aren't. Any musings on our part is mere speculation. We have no knowledge of La Moss's sexual drive nor do we have knowledge of the mental state of her partners (Mr Doherty acting as an exception). There's no way for instance that I can seriously claim that La Moss is some kind of serial musician fucker. If she ever stoops down to letting Rick Witter inside of her, then we could make a case but it's out of the question right now.

I would argue that men are objects of desire within our society, perhaps in a different way to women but there is a similar angle in comparing female models to male sports stars in terms of the power they can wield over the female psyche. When even Darryl Tuffey, a New Zealand Test cricketer, can get groupies, you know the sports aesthetic has some real power. There is a pressure on men, certainly in the last few years female sexuality has received a great deal of attention and been discussed at great lengths, and there is far more mainstream coverage of homosexual and lesbian sexuality as well. It's fair to say that male heterosexuality is rather behind the times and, in the case of the United States, is being threatened with being pushed into more ill-educated times.

At least we all agree that the tabloid media are scumfucks :)

Ugh, she and Fearne Cotton should get together and compare notes, between them they've got the music scene all wrapped up - card-carrying members of StarFuckers Inc...

Gotta give the girl credit, she's a publicist's dream client - but let's face it, she didn't appear to be all that interested in musician-types until indie became all mainstream...now she's getting through them at a frightening rate! Some serious coat-tail-riding in the hopes of credibility (and actual talent) rubbing off onto her?

But let's face it, it's becoming embarrassing, seeing her flinging herself at anything that can hold a guitar the right way up...

So given the chance to fuck rockstars you wouldn't? Give the girl a break. Who she sleeps with is her business and if you think she's just doing it to leech publicity off these (obviously far more famous than her) so-called stars then surely the same people she sleeps with deserve at least as much criticism for selling their credibility in exchange for sex?

Or maybe she just happens to find rockstars more attractive than mere mortals and they feel the same in turn about supermodels? I've never tried it but I'm sure sleeping with celebrities is one hell of an ego-trip, be it male or female.