but garner praise from the underground because of their passion
they are to music what an unmade bed is to art?
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but garner praise from the underground because of their passion
they are to music what an unmade bed is to art?
go to sleep
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.THE HORRORS/
that is all.
The Babyshambles
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the ability to play your instruments
is surplus to requirements if the band you are playing in does not need talent to create the sound that it wants to create.
sid vicious couldn't play for shit, but that didn't matter because the sex pistols weren't about being able to master complicated chord structures or whatever, they were about screaming "FUCK YOU" as loudly as they could and playing any old chords as loudly and as badly as they could.
It just depends on what kind of music you want to create.
^ bad post at 3am
to be fair
being in a band isn't about being able to play instruments it's about being able to create a sound. Teenage Jesus and the Jerks were more important and more fun than tracy chapman or whatever her name was. fact.
and that, ladies and gents
is why the sex pistols were UTTER CRAP
they never even
plugged sid in most gigs
The Others....
Let's see....
The Others
Dogs
Horrors
Towers of London
The Darkness
Loads of others really...funny how they're all massively popular too...
the darkness cant play?!?!??!
what the cunting shit are you talking about?
what pretty vacant said
it seems your (raz's) question has been interpretted to mean 'what band do you really not like?' i can't stand the others, towers of london, but come on, they can play their instruments. well? well, i don't like what they've done, but for truly not being able to play, look at early punk & metal. playing loud was what mattered. so yes, passion was more important.
Musicianship is overrated.
It always makes me laugh when people seethe at bands 'because they can't play'. For example, Meg White of the White Stripes cops a lot of flak in some quarters.
What matters is what you do with the talent you have. There are far too many bands around who are technically good, but have no spark of inspiration to speak of.
meg white
is the reason i don't listen to the white stripes. it's all well and good saying she's got come creativity, yeah. i suppose some of the drums fit. but when you have to cut sets short because her technique is so bad her arms get tired, then she must be put dwn.
spot on!
What an ace comment! And totally right.
plus
dogs? the others? towers of london?
hardly "massively popular"..
Yeah, it is.
But its great. Its not a bad thing, pretention.
I agree
with a lot of the points above, but I do think the "punk" attitude of NOT being able to play well is thought of as cool; it needn't stand in the way of good ideas and "passion", but it can enhance those things too. It's like the vocabulary, man.
but loads of great bands couldnt play their instruments and still sounds great
eg. beat happening
^
exactly, whether or not you can play your instruments is not a pre-emptive for being GOOD. some bands can play their instruments very well and are shit (ie metallica) and some bands have obviously never picked up a guitar in their lives and are amazing (Gay Against You!)
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Wrong.
Metallica wrote One. Gay Against You are a Nathan Barley episode come to life.
In the same way that while haste can lead to bad result, but delay never yeilds a good one - good musicians can sometimes make crap songs, but bad musicians will never write a good one.
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first Stooges album, early Jesus and Mary Chain, The Shaggs...
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All crap. Thanks for the backup.
The Stooges
are not crap. Tres not crap. Victor Wooten could not play in the Stooges! He would need, like, a heart. And swing.
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THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS! Victor Wooten is the master of all forms of swing. And even if he didn't have a song called "You Can't Hold No Groove, If You Ain't Got No Pocket", there is still something faintly ludicrous about saying a man who probably knows every James Brown song backwards and forwards can't hold it down.
He has swing,
but it's swing like a drum machine's swing setting man. Mechanical. Also, you can put any hired goons in James Brown's band, however good they may have been the first time around.
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Every part of that post is viciously incorrect. Right down to the full stops.
Honestly, saying someone whose music is all about the most natural of swing, groove, pocket and 'one' is "mechanical", just boggles the mind.
I would suggest this is down to any combination of three things:
1) You don't know what swing is.
2) You'd never heard of Wooten before I posted about him and thus are largely unaware of his experience, eminence and general pedigree.
3) You are trying to rile me by deliberately asserting things that you know to be not just wrong, but foolish - like Pi = 4.
:(
I am trying to wind you up a bit, apologias. The mention of Victor Wooten the other day brought back bad memories of people forcing me to listen to 'A Show Of Hands'. Many bassists over many years :( The music, for me she is like a knife to the eardrums.
I maintain that Wooten is a square who would not be able to play in the Stooges despite his 'amazing technical skill', which is something that has had nowt to do with Rock and Roll since it was first invented.
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I am playing through the Wooten brothers' version of Search and Destroy just to spite you. But I'm going to stop it before it gets to their version of Iron Man, cause I hate that song.
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well done
wut ?
Some bands actually can play their instruments !
You could be really pretentious and say something like
"instruments are only played the way they are because people are too afraid to think out side the box"
THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, MAN.
so youre saying
bands like Don Caballero, Slint, 90 Day Men, 65dos etc are all shit beacuse they obviously know how to play their instruments. I know what you all mean but it does have to be said.
of course not
silly billy
what an unmade bed is to art?
seriously, i didn't think the daily mail really had that much influence on people's opinion on contemporary art anymore.
congratulations on proving that modern art is as lost on the youth as it is on backwards middle-aged conservatives.
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THE STOOGES
unmade bed
that really shitty 'modern art' thing? the one that was in the tate modern?
seriously, some of that was utter shit. really really. like a sheet of fabric with a rip in it....fucking great man. no, THAT modern art is pants. i have respect for those with talent and creativity, something i can look at and really appreciate for the obvious amount of hard work/raw talent that has contributed to it being made. this links to music very well indeed.
The divine comedy
Only about as good as me on the piano. Not the world's best guitarist, either. Always fucks up his guitar solos. But the musical genius on 1994's Promenade... there for all to see. Shame some of the latest album isn't up to it.
brilliant
i never said the unmade bed was a negative aspect of art
you filled in the gaps in your own mind, distorting the meaning of the question to fit in with your own disgustingly narrow minded views on large portions of society
that doesn't make you a hypocrite at all though...
bonrurgundy =
pwned
Idiot
Have you not heard what John Peel said about the Slits Peel sessions?
incredible addition to the discussion!
you are truly intelligent!
The statement I think is null and void
as all bands can play their instruments.
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[beats Engels with Stick Of Fecetiousness]
*facetiousness
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[leaves Raz in my Trap Of Pedantry for awhile to think about what he's learnt]
I'm pretty sure Robin Guthrie
was rubbish at guitar for a while, and used a load of effects to substitute for the fact that he couldn't play well. Still, he created a sound that was their own, and one that sounds great even today.
Nirvana were pretty shit musicians
but made great music.
This happens a lot.
also...
Bob Dylan!
No, he's a fairly good guitarist these days
but he can't sing for toffee.
Nirvana's music,
I would say, is a fair reflection of their musical talent. Make of that what you will.
nirvana werent shit musicians
they could play.
re: robin guthrie
see also: kevin shields?
RobinGuthrie
was never as crap as the others you say...I ain't never heard someone who cant play their instrument, how could you?......I agree technique does not guarantee a good song but nor does lack of it.
TRIVIUM
that is all
WHAT THE FUCK?
The Trivium guitarist is like, absolutely amazing. Their music might suck, but they're all brilliant musicians, totally skilled and tight.
they can play
really well..
unfortuantly..what they do play sucks balls
I remember seeing the long blondes
when they were first starting out and emma was really struggling to play her guitar. she had to get dorian to show her where to put her hands :D
they're all a lot better now.
having just read the topic of the thread, i might have just missed the point...
she
still looks scarred of her guitar.
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agreed. Infact she's still rubbish.
Unlike the girls in bat for lashes. Who are ACE guitarists. She should take lessons of them.
why isn't music art?
^^^truesay bruv
cos it's not in a museum
Woooooaaaaaaah!
What a disgusting car crash of a DiS thread! So much PREJUDICE!
Doesn't really matter
if the can't play, so long as they've got TUNES. For instance, Shaun Ryder never found a bucket big enough to hold the Happy Mondays' tunes in, but that just added to his fat, sweaty, drug-addled appeal.
There are
alot of people in this thread who should be banned.
Dumbest thread for a while.
Speculation
Do you reckon when The Long Blondes were getting together they let the woman 'guitarist' play just because her boyfriend is the person who writes all the songs and it would be a bit weird if all his songs were being sung by some other woman and she was nowhere?
Band politics eh?
ha
to be fair to her, she is a lot better now than she was 18 months ago. still struggles with the E chords though ;)
There's not really a right or wrong though is there?
Some hyper-proficient bands are great, some bore me senseless. Same principal applies to ones who "can't play".
course there's no wrong!
it is a very metal/prog rock thing
to play uber-efficiently though?
very metal and prog
and classical and baroque as well perhaps?