America -look forward to a very devalued dollar and more 'heroes' coming back in caskets from far away lands, adding to this list no doubt 'I-ran' and 'Nurth Kurria' - still at least dick and condy will keep the bogeymen away -anyone who didnt vote hang your heads in shame - thank heavens I'm English
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I was in the states last week and the general concensus was that Kerry, although not brilliant, was the man. That was in California, and it will vary across the country, but i still don't get it.
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The rest, who unfortunately appear to be the majority, live in the big fat middle bit. The dumb ass rednecks who are anti-gay, anti-black, anti-anything the bible tells them is bad. And they are the people who vote for Bush, because he's on their illeterate dumb-as-fuck level of intelligence.
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Would it be offensive to suggest that only intelligent/educated people should be allowed to vote?
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And yes, the candidates fought very different campaigns.
Kerry campaign: President Bush, on the subject of the 2002 Ratifcation Of Amenities Act, failed to - etc.
Bush campaign: Vote fer faggot commie nigger-lover Kerry and them A-rabs fundymennalists will be using your baby's intestines to hang their washing on by the end of the week. God bless America.
I wish I could say the result surprised me, but it didn't. Play to peoples' fear, bigotry, sense of moral superiority and greed and you'll always win.
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On the other hand, history tends to show us that second terms are generally quite peaceful and internally-focused, where the premier is more concerned about his place in the history books more than anything else.
On balance, though, yeah, this probably is the end of the world. Oh well.
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Poor Tony - damned if he do, damned if he don't :(
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I think Blair will hang on but have his majority in the House greatly reduced. I forsee Howard going the way of Hague & IDS in spite of his star turn (ha) at the Tory conference.
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Democracies are mostly a sham, a pale imitation of the true meaning, the Media basically finds peoples lowest common denominators and then the various parties will all try to pander to those.....how many people do you know who say....I'm not voting for this government they've done nothing for me.....how selfish is that, specially if your ok.
Democracy must reinvent itself or we are all Doomed.
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I'm so glad that I'm not the only person who thinks like this. Especially with you being older and wiser and all...
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Particularly in America, where the future direction of a lot of world affairs can be dictated by whether or not the candidate supports gay marriages.
But having said that, it's still the best system there is. Just not infallible.
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"It has been said democracy is the worst form of goverment, except all the others"
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Democracy just needs improving.
I know this sounds like a political parties, spin doctoring idea, like 'the third way' but what we need is
'Democracy V2.0 (copyright Creakyknees)'
I may just launch it as a political party, except I may then seem just as preposterous as UKIP.
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I would like to announce that normally i can complete a cogent sentence.
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All I gotta say is: Keep the Faith, Ralph! Nader in '08!!!
Hey, check this. Yer own Tony made a funny. In the Commons he sez, "I'd like to congratulate the new president... (pause) Mr Karzai (sp?) of Afganistan." :-) Good one, Tone!
lanky and some of the rest of yous* also made me larf meself silly. Funny shite, guys and gals!
*I'm gonna steal some of those lines to berate the gloating Bushites.
Before I allow myself to get back to our regularly scheduled program, I just want to say how fucking stupid Californians are. Originally as a backlash against a particular heinous crime we passed the 3 strikes and yer out law. Fine. Put a gun to someone's held 3 times and adios motherfucker! But what it really was 2 serious felonies and an "anything". Meaning some cat could steal a bicycle outta an opened garage twice, and then for stealing a pack of gum from 7-11 be looking at 25 to life in prison. How the fuck does that make any sense? Now Cali had a proposition that sought to amend that injustice... and it looked like an easy winner until Arnold weighed in against it in the 11th hour. It just fucking pisses me off when people allow someone else/the govt do their thinking for them!!!!
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However. Bush made so many blunders etc. last time that it is possible he will learn from his mistakes and this term will be peaceful. I'm trying to find a happy medium for this dark day.
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You may not like Bush, i am neutral on the subject, but surely you ca find a better explanation than almost all Americans are idiots.
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Besides, those men were put on the moon for idiotic reasons.
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The point is that it is a very lazy viewpoint to say that the only reason that Bush was re-elected was that Americans are idiots, some are but thats the same for all countries. The true reason is that for whatever reason the U.S has become a far more conservative place the last 20 years. I don't know why this is. Anyone else?
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No, it's just a very rich nation - and much of America's space program was powered by ex-Nazi rocket scientists anyway. Werner von Braun wasn't born in San Diego last time I looked.
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On the question of putting a man on the moon.....Wasn't the american rocketry helped enormously by ex Nazi scientists? Wasn't the US breaking of the sound barrier Bell X1, aided by the British sharing all their research on high speed jets, gained by British test pilots, yet the US did not return the favour.
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hardly any research is done in a vacuum, they may well have been helped but the point is that they actually did it.
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There was a great deal of conversation last night on CNN about ‘American morality’ and how Kerry and the Democrats failed to appeal to this moral demographic. Well... it’s pretty damn simple. The majority was made up of Republican conservatives with this so-called American morality engrained in them. It’s not an American morality, it’s a conservative, generally Christian, morality and the GOP appeals perfectly. With this moralism lurking about the Democrats end up in a hole: on one hand, you want to be a true alternative and appeal to factions that aren’t this wonderful moral majority. On the other hand, if you don’t appeal to this majority through your stance on abortion especially, you have no chance of winning. If you don’t appeal to the majority of voters then you won’t win and this in the problem. Every two-bit analyst has been out trying to see where the Democrats go now and they’re facing an uphill battle. They did pull out more voters from the fold, the youth vote increased in terms of numbers but stayed at the same level in terms of percentage (17%). For every extra person Kerry pulled in, Bush added almost two. The backroom GOP staff led by Karl Rove did an amazing job in galvanizing their voters. There’s many accusations here that Bush appeals to nobody other than white rednecks and the lack of democracy here. Well, look at the figures… the split in female voting was slight in favour of Kerry but Bush made gains on the 2000 performance. Voting in immigrant heavy areas like New Mexico was in favour of Bush. Florida with its high percentage of Cuban immigrants/Cuban-Americans went with Bush. A voter turnout of nearly 120 million people (just under 60%) is also impressive given recent Western population voting figures in their respective countries and is favourable to both candidates, it shows that both Kerry and Bush got people off their asses and into the voting areas. Definitely reconsider the idea that only university educated swine voted Kerry. The current CNN exit poll suggests that college graduates were split with 49% voting for each candidate. It’s only when you get to post-graduate level that Kerry appealed to an educated majority.
In the end it’s pretty simple. If you’re trying to sell manure and there’s way more people in your country who want manure than those who don’t want manure, you’re only selling to one faction. When that faction is the majority you’re on a winning ticket.
Bush being re-elected coincided with Democrat losses and Republican gains in both the Senate and the House of Representatives. This is far more worrying than a straight Bush victory as it strengthens the power he can wield in both departments. Add in to the anticipated Supreme Court changes and there’s a reasonable case in saying that Bush is strengthening the GOP hold ion for the 2008 election when he’ll be lying down for his successor.
From Blair’s position, he should be anxious. The Aussie and US elections were meant to be barometers of the Iraq issue affected voters. This definitely will affect Blair and much of his success/failure will be judged on the success of the Iraq voting currently scheduled for January. I’d also say that home issues in the UK will affect Blair far more than they affected both Howard or Bush. There’s a lot of pissed off people in the UK and to appease these persons, he really will have to pull something out of the bag.
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1) Unbelievably cynical ...or
2) Political genius
depending on your views (I'm with #1 personally)
Still, the thing with democracy is that people get the government they deserve. So all those Alaskans who voted overwhelmingly for Bush can go cry somewhere else when their state either melts or gets turned into a giant slag heap in the next 4 years!!
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Well, yes and no. Rove is a genius whatever anyone says, there's nothing cynical about getting the fag marriage rights going (and quibble people ye not, fag is an acceptable term here in gay ol' Toronto). It got the conservatives out in their voting droves and booked George another four years of being a staple ingredient for bad stand-up comics everywhere. Political genius? Certainly, as genius as the Democrats have been stupid in their infighting going way back before Iraq was an issue with Daschle and Pelosi arguing like tarts.
Democracy is great to an extent. The Alaskans will see their state raped and pillaged. Sadly certain nations affected by American won't have and will never have a voting chance. It's only democratic when you're acting on the people and the nation who elected you.
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have you ever heard of the german nazi wernher von braun? von braun, who was member of both the nsdap and the ss, developed the infamous a4/v2 rockets for the nazi regime. the v2 was produced in a concentration camp (mittelbau-dora). as a result of the horrible working conditions, 10000-20000 people died. that's even more than the estimated 7000-10000 victims that were killed by the v2 in england, belgium, netherlands and france.
guess what happened to von braun after ww2? was he rightfully punished as a war criminal at the nuremberg trials? nope. shortly after the war, von braun and about 1000 other nazi scientists were secretely transferred to the us (known as the operation overcast/paperclip). from then on, von braun and the others worked for the us government.
yada, yada, yada. to cut it short, von braun continued to be one of the leading rocket technology scientists and later led a team that developed the saturn rockets (-> apollo program -> moon landing).
furthermore, everything i just wrote is completely irrelevant. the moon landing is not an achievement of the united states or any other nation. it's the achievement of a group of individuals and humanity in general. it doesn't matter where those individuals came from. the united states merely had the money and political power to employ those individuals.
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I dont think that one action indicates the competancy of a nation, lets face it if the Soviets had
the same resources, do we doubt that they would have acheived this.
Again one, could have argued, that the Soviets put a man in Space....."Any country that could put a man into space...etc etc etc"
Sorry but I have to disagree with you now that we are rivals.
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