Vinyl's lovely, but it's hardly the major format available in your average high street record store. Despite the increase in downloading popularity, the compact disc continues to rule the format roost. But for how long?
A recently published survey, commissioned by mobile network 3, has revealed that sixty per cent of those polled aged 24 or under think that the CD will die off within the next five years. This rejection of physical formats will lead to store closures, too, and a change in customer demographics in surviving outlets, with thirty-something consumers only using traditional record shops while the youth fill their iPods.
The survey also revealed that eighty-five per cent of under 24s think downloading will cut pollution, as no packaging needs to be manufactured to house the records in question and transportation of stock isn't a problem. Plus, the immediate nature of downloads is a massive factor of appeal: why pop to the shop, on a bus or train, when you can sit at home in your pants and still buy the latest Keane record?
So, are we staring the decline of yet another format in the face, or are the opinions of a few under 24s unlikely to impact upon the buying habits of the age range en masse? Do you see downloads becoming the dominant format for albums and singles? Or are you too attached to your physical records to ever consider replacing your collection with digital tracks housed on a computer, or portable device?
DiScuss...
I like having the physical thing
and don't know if I'd ever pay for a download (esp not on Itunes)
The way forward is bands giving out their music for free and having a paypal donations thing. Maybe.
I agree
I like having a CD/record in its physical form. I like getting it home, putting it on and thumbing through the booklet and the thankyou notes while I listen to it.
I want to be able to lend it to people, and to look at it 10 years after I bought it and have memories of when I listened to it first come back to me.
tge same
im excatly the same, i need it in physical form, what happens if you'r computer goes tits up, u lose the music. you got to spend money on something and mines cds, its the centrepeice in my room, i love lending, showcasing them. its what they for. lps were the same. my dad always showed me his lps. with downloads u cant do that. i only download rare tracks which get burnt to cd as well
ipods
Are a convenient way of carrying your whole record collection around with you, but the sound is not as good as the original, and I'm of the opinion that artwork is an essential part of an album. CD's are cheaper than ever from online suppliers, so there's no excuse not to spend £8 on a CD and forsake a few £3 pints of beer
Like Anton from the Brian Jonestown Massacre
I was very impressed by that.
I'm voting for for digital downloads
I like cds, I adore vinyl, but I definitely think that digital downloads are the future. My band sells mp3 downloads straight from our website and its really opened up our world. Check out the shop on our site: www.theelectricmainline.co.uk
Think of it from an unsigned bands point of view. Digital downloads have allowed people to make recordings in their bedrooms and upload them for sale on their websites in a matter of minutes. I believe they have truly revolutionised the way in which we listen to and buy our music.
I used to argue for vinyl and cds but I listen to most of my music on my I-Pod. This has not been an intentional choice - just a choice out of convenience.
Selling digital downloads from our site has opened up our world. This allows us to forget about postage, packaging and concentrate on whats most important - the music.
The fact that it saves on pollution has to be a bonus in this day and age. The worlds resources are under constant threat and digital downloads provide a sustainable answer to our concerns for our environment.
No postage, packaging or storage issues. Digital downloads get my vote. I am a convert.
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How did they select the sample? What are the respondants basing this idea on? I would imagine a lot of it is just guesswork. I'd rather hear what a music industry insider predicts than a load of kids who probably buy 2 albums a year from sainsburys and download a song a month from the itunes store. I for one will always want the majority of my music stored on a physical format. Also if this is the case with music why not books?
it will probably be something leading like
when do you think CDs will die? Tick the box closest to your opinion
In 1 year
In 2 years
In 3 years
etc
I bought a cassette this year
I brought
2 cassettes!
No, you 'bought'
;o)
Sorry
:(
With the opening of Fopp, and the lowering cost of CD's
It makes it alot easier and cheaper to buy music. In fact, in alot of cases, it's cheaper than downloads.
Fopp is ruining my life.
I can't walk past fopp without looking inside & I can't go inside fopp without spending at least £10. Bad.
that's pretty much
my life in a nutshell.
foopppp
yeah fopp is totally rinsing me, you always go in and see like the whole of bob dylan's back catalogue for £5 each
i have a love/hate relationship with fopp
for the obvious reasons
i have to walk past 2 on my way home
avalanche in edinburgh is just as bad, they surrounded the university with shops for a while which was bad news for my bank balance.
I haven't bought a CD in the last 12 months
and after moving house, my CDs remain boxed up, as there's just no point unpacking them.
They've always just been a means to get the music to the consumer. There're better ways to do that, now.
NO NO NO!
I will never pay for a digital track. I want to hold it in my hands.
the only justified paying site was:
Karma download. They were pretty cool - but now theyve shut down :(
722 CDs at present...
and there's always room for more!
Fuck downloading.
i love my real albums
so much more than any i've downloaded.
I buy lots of cds, vinyl and even tapes sometimes (very rarely)
and lots of stuff 'online' which is just another form of media -I don't think they'll die, they're just more than ever just discs with info on, that's all
I love my CD collection.
I don't even own an mp3 player. I'll be sad if the CD format dies, because then you can no longer have a music collection; you can just have a longer list on a screen.
And what about all the artwork? I like looking at it...
So do I
Its probably not as big as most peoples on here (only about 200 odd - i blame not having a job :( - ) but Im proud of it and happy with my musicial discoveries over the years. I hope the CD format doesnt die, but I do think downloading has helped me find more records (If it wasnt for downloading I wouldnt have discovered 90 day men, Don Cab, 65dos etc)
I was having this very
conversation at the pub on Friday night. A few people were trying to convince me that it's the same having a nasty little icon/pic of the album artwork on an iPod as tangibly having it in your hands. I was told that I was obsessive with my CDs. I'll download the odd song, usually a guilty pleasure, but I have to buy CDs. There's nothing more satisfying than having them all displayed, leafing through and putting one on.
I'm with the majority
On here at least, the physical form is way more pleasing to have, pile up in ridiculously high piles and continually knock over when drunk thus annoying people by creating a mess in your room and potentially uncovering a Wildhearts single you'd forgotten you even owned and then sitting listening to CDs from the piles all night rather than sleeping. This might have happened to me recently.
I'm glad someone else brought up the 'what if your computer fucks up?' thing. If I bought all the CDs I'd bought this year as downloads and my PC fucked up I think my heart would stop.
i myself like cd's
and i like them because i get nostalgic, but i was reading an article that said that websites like i-tunes and libertunes are assuming that the cd is dead... or at least the pre-made cd is dead. I went to a show and one of the artists was selling id-sized plastic cards that had the art for his music on one side and a bar code on the other and the bar code meant you could download songs because he said he didn't want to spend money making cd's heaving them around on tour, etc. I couldn't believe it. What about CDs???? :(
CDs won't ever die-off
as the article refers to but I'm on favour of digitising (is there such a word?) music as I just have too many CDS and for me, it is a space thing.
I...
i still buy about 5 cds a month, sometimes more.
i like having something to show for my money, that if i delete from my pc or mp3 player on accident i can get it back at no extra cost
i reckon cds will prob die out soon, but i don't want them to as i want to be able to play my grandkids my cds in the future and get them into the bands i like (lame i know, but true)
i don't want to have to store mp3's in my car or plug my mp3 player in all the time as its annoying and wastes battery.
so yeah i like cds... but my mp3 player is handy as i have like 6000 songs to listen to when i'm on the bus or train or in a boring lesson. but i still like having a cd collection.
since mp3's have been introduced i definately have ALOT more cds than i used to.
ummm
so ummmm maybe i'm in the minority but i think that card with artwork/barcode idea sounds pretty fucking clever.
I will never pay for a download
NEVER !
i steal a hell of a lot of stuff
but i still buy as many cds as i can humanly afford, and have never bought a download
I certainly hope not
I have all of my music in digital form on my computer, because I find it's a more convenient way of storing and accessing it all.
However, I infinitely prefer either going to a shop, or even just ordering off the net, to get the physical object, than some intangible digital file. There's an innate value in a physical object that isn't there with files.
The biggest thing, for me, that puts me off the whole legal download business is - Stuff gets DRM'ed to hell and back. I know it's technically very naughty, but when I buy something like that, I want to be able to decide what I do with it, how I choose to listen to it, etc.
I certainly don't want Apple, Microsoft, et al, telling me that I have to buy their player to listen to what I've bought. The way it's going, that's a distinct possibility.
My friends and I also regularly lend each other our new CDs. I don't want Apple telling me that I'm not allowed to do that anymore. As an example, I got into The Smiths after borrowing their Best Of off a friend. Under a DRM system, I wouldn't have been able to do that, I would've had to have bought it out of trust (sometimes others can be right, not all the time).
DRM, and it's associated flaws, are easily my biggest problem with the digital music age.
I won't pay for downloads
but unless I REALLY like something, if I can get it for free I will. I still buy about an album a week on average but rarely ones that are recently released
If it were a choice of CD or mp3 at a similar price, CD would win out every time - even though I don't have a stereo other than my pc
MP3 is fine and dandy
But I'm yet to see a band live who are selling downloads on their merch table. I love finding new bands, buying a cd and listening to it when I get home.
I don't agree with the idea that including cds the bigger picture is that mass produced physical music production will stop or be cut back (hence the mooting of shops shutting and polution cuts). Plenty of internet users may think so, but a fairly large whack of music buyers I know still don't use the internet except for email and ebay and would never trust their credit cards online.
Having spent the last 3 hours
re-ordering my CDs and listening to them through mega-headphones, I think I'd be devastated if they were to die off. They're not quite as 'loveable' as vinyl, but they're convenient and still have wonderful artwork and packaging and booklets and lovely sound quality etc etc.
backups
my 800+ cd's are ripped into a loseless format and played on my most excellent Squeezebox.
though I like my CD's on my hard drive I refuse to buy online music for the following reasons:
1) booklet artwork ect...
2) cd's make a pretty good backup solution although a bit bulky.
3) i want as much data as possible not an algorithmic approximation of the data.
4) i want the track order presented as the artist intended
CD's are definitly not dead
Of course they arent, nothing beats the real thing, and what you have to show for it. i mean the odd mp3 of an artist youre finding more about or something but still.
re
"4) i want the track order presented as the artist intended"
YES!!!
Fuck downloading.
i've never bought anything from the apple store...
i've got ipods...
cds are great for things others mentioned already... backup, artwork etc etc...
my band sells mp3's online and we could even sell full blown .wav files so you can buy, download and burn your own cd or do whatever the hell you want with it...
i love the fact that beyond paying the transaction fee we are already selling to people all over the world...
cool...
I'll never pay for a download
but too much of my music is downloaded. The ideal is to be rich and buy everything on vinyl. But I can't afford a record player let alone everything on vinyl.
If cds die...
And it goes to downloading albums what the hell is going to happen to our record labels and bands? People will never be able to be made pay for a download. Id rather see CDs survive for the sake of Minor labels and upcoming bands.
i like my mp3 collection
i obviously love my cds, and you may think this is "un-hip" or whatever but to be honest, i have the latest version of i-tunes and after i upload my cds, i love organizing my songs on my computer, putting them into different folders, scrolling through the artwork, etc. i'm also a bit of a computer nerd. this is not to say that i like it better than cds, because i don't. but i'm not exactly going to say with a straight face that i hate or 'will not buy' mp3. the one thing i can say for certain is that i will not steal music.
Actually...
If anything the death of physical formats will be good for bands and smaller labels. Distribution of a files is a lot easier and cheaper than distribution of cds or vinyl. Most artists make most of their money from their live performances anyway so why not give away music for free? Stuff like cds and vinyl can be for the hardcore fan and old school muso.
The current methods for sale of music are fraught with difficulties and pitfalls, such as copy protection and incompatibility between services. Most of these services are setup so that at one time or other you will have to pay for your music again and frankly until they sort that out I'm sticking with cds.
no they're not.
next question.
i guess...
the best thing is a Bang and Olufson Record deck and all the latest releases on vinyl, untouched by human hands.
the next best thing is CD. The sound quality of digital downloads is atrocious. I would hope that the digital download never replaces a physical format. instead, I think the 2 formats complement each other well, and should continue to do so.
i admit to downloading stuff from 'new' bands, and then going to the shops to purchase a CD. How else would i have discovered bands like Metric? - whom i had a very mixed opinion of until i downloaded some of their stuff par example.
hmm, shouldn't really enter into intelligent discussions after going to the pub and boozing for 4 hours...
LOUUUUUUUUUD NOISES!!!
Spot on, shadyadie!
And I prefer to have my loud noises on vinyl and CD than downloads!
No thanks...Need the physical real thing!
No thanks to stupid downloads and NO Coverart, one ought to have a choice...SOme like Download with no coverart others dont...So CDs ought to survive, no matter what. A download is just a file, and I would't pay for it (a file with no coverart, booklet, sorry no thanks!), besides needing to burn it on CD to be audible, besides downloads not sounding so good as the real thing (compression, folks) , yes quality too...I'm just shockingly seeing CD singles disapearing off the shelves in OZ now, allarming, and need to order import ones to get them...This is not right sorry! Sure would support any petitions against the dissapearing of CD's and singles! Its not hard to create mp3's from CDs and SIngles anyway, so no it makes no sense...Vinyl hasnt really died out either!
It's a physical attraction for me
Just before I left the UK for Qatar, I transferred all my CDs to a hard drive. Took ages, but I was glad that I didn't drag all my records over here as I later found that the customs people impound CDs to check for their content. I could have kissed goodbye to my precious copy of 'Songs about Fucking'.
BUT - there is no romance with mp3s. I miss cracking open the CD case and reacquainting myself with the artwork and lyrics.
I especially miss that little wait for Sufjan's 'Vito's Ordination Song' to access from a CD, after I hurriedly press 'track advance' 16 times. Clicking onto the song directly in iTunes is not the same somehow.
Plus, I encoded my mp3s in 128kbps. Push the volume right up and the track's definition goes. Damn!
Incidentally, is anyone willing to send me some stuff on CDr, to my UK forwarding address? There are NO records shops here! And my house doesn't have a phone/internet line because the fuckers at QTel can't be arsed to fit one!
Ok I'm a bad boy
as I generally download music from... wherever... and if I like it - I buy it on CD, and if I don't like it I don't buy it.
I like to support the artists I like, and no harm done to the ones I don't as I wouldn't have bought it anyway.
I only use CDs in the car, I used to have an MP3 stereo in the car, but navigation of the discs was crap.
I quite like the American Napster model where you can listen to ANY track up to three times, after which you must buy it to listen to it again. It's a very good idea for digital music.
I'm thinking...
...artists with the know-how should sell their music directly to the consumer by their websites be it in CD or digital form. This way, they get all the money back.
Smart!
I
I'm a record collector, thus I collect records, vinyl and CDs.
Vinyl hasn't died out, it was the major format of it's day, just like CDs, can't really see why they would die out.
fine point
if vinyl is still around then why would CDs die out?
Having an entire music collection as a list on a screen would be bollocks.
I look at a CD collection in a similar way to owning art. You buy a painting which you can be proud to own and have on display for others to appreciate and admire. You don't download a digital picture just because its easier than getting off you ass and going to the shops. A digital imitation will never be as good as the physical thing. ever.
well
i think the majority of people who use this site are more into music than than the average person, and appreciate the artwork, sound quality and general product more than the casual music fans who just want to listen to one or two tracks from an album, which is the demographic in which CD sales will decline (or die, depending on how doom and gloom you want to be).
its also bizarre that media/industry types are so keen to kill off the CD, as if we have to run into the distant future of music faster than sonic the hedgehog through a level. can we not approach it a little more slowly, and with a little less extreme lanuage?
They better not be.
I prefer buying CDs to downloading. And I have never paid for a download. I never will either.
Really
I would love to see artists doing something about letting you download the album if you buy it in physical format as well. I buy all my albums on Vinyl still, however I do use an iPod as I travel alot and it would just save the hassle of tracking down obscure albums through illegal downloads.
cd sales are falling
but due to the compilation market, which, bar rough trade's counter culture, is a good thing
!
If people stopped releasing CDs, I'd probably buy nothing as I've never downloaded anything before and I still like have my tangeble item.
I wish
that when I downloaded an album, the physical version got sent to me in the post, aswell. The reason I download so much is that I'm impatient, when I want an album, I don't want to wait, I want it right at that moment. I
agree with most mentioned so far..
...and what about record shops? Most town centres are overrun with virgins, hmvs etc., all ready... I highly doubt I'd ever be able to stroll into my local indie record shop and have a good chat about what barcodes I should spend my weeks wages on..?
i have never bought a download
for the audio quality alone. sounds rubbish!
I love my cds. i would probably stop listening to (new) music if my only choice was to buy releases at crappy 128kps mp3s from apple/napster/whatever.
and I like physical media. what if some virus ate all your hard drives..you'd have no record collection left it was just mp3s...or what if,and this is really sinister, some record company released a virus so you'd have to buy all your downloads again!?
vinyl vs cd vs download
quoting "If anything the death of physical formats will be good for bands and smaller labels. Distribution of a files is a lot easier and cheaper than distribution of cds or vinyl" <- to my best knowledge smaller laber actually prefer physical formats, especially, vinyls..
it misses the point
I think that there is a lot more to a record than just the songs, its nice to have the packaging, the cd booklet, maybe a free tatoo in Take Thats case. I don't want to fucking own invisible music, fuck downloads...It just means the labels can release more shit. x
never
i dont trust ipods cos they break easily and my computers shit and on its last legs so without the physical cd i would lose all my music sooner or later. i have over 800 cds and treasure them all. fuck downloading fuck your ipods although i do have one (saves me taking shit loads of cds everywhere i go!) plus i love going into second hand cd stores, hmv etc and looking for cds. i also love artwork and u dont get that with downloads.