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iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

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by DiS News
So you've got your iPod and you've copied a tonne of your favourite CDs onto it through your spangly computer machine. Well done you. Think yourself lucky you're not living in Japan.

The New York Times has reported that authorities in Japan are considering adding a levy to each and every sale of a CD, passing the money on to the country's copyright bods. Why? Because apparently putting your CDs onto your iPod, or MP3 whatever, is bad, and goes beyond the copyright license of the CD itself. Or something - to tell you the truth we're a little confused ourselves. These facts are a wee bit muddled...

Anyway, what it boils down to is that Japanese buyers may have to pay more for their CDs and/or MP3 players in the future. That said, not all official bodies are so happy with the idea - the Consumers Union of Japan's Hiroko Mizuhara said the following:

"This is typical of how industry groups try to manipulate government at the expense of consumers."

Well said, that man.


iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

ffs, it never ends does it?

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

yeah, making cds more expensive, that'll stop people downloading illegaly.

not that they should stop.

Re: iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

agreed, homesick_alien

Re: iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

agreed, homesick_alien

Re: iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

I don't agree.
Downloading is a good way of trying before you buy.

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that was my point really, downloading is good. that's how I find out about almost all of the music I like. I download tonnes but buy tonnes too, only the good stuff, mind.

allmusic.com + soulseek = life sucking addiction

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

So, if I put aside the ludicrousness of the principle for a minute, they're saying that I've got to pay for the activities of iPod users, even though I can't afford one myself?

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

no, because you don't live in japan.

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

In Australia i believe its illegal to upload any cd's at all to your PC.

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

It is here as well. Any copy you make of anything infringes copyright.

They've allready got this extra tax thing in the Netherlands apparently.

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In France, CDR, CDRW and DVDR are taxed for the music industry.
I suppose someday they'll taxe PC because people use them for playing music.
Any shop which wants to play radio has to pay a tax !

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Audio only CD-Rs are taxed in this country, too, and if you've got a stand along CD writer, that's all you can use. Nobody has standalone CD writers, though, so nobody bothers to buy Audio CD-Rs. I thought it was a similar law to software, though, where you can make backups for your own purposes, as long as you don't distribute them

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Audio only CD-Rs are taxed in this country, too, and if you've got a stand along CD writer, that's all you can use. Nobody has standalone CD writers, though, so nobody bothers to buy Audio CD-Rs. I thought it was a similar law to software, though, where you can make backups for your own purposes, as long as you don't distribute them

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All CDRs and CDRWS are taxed !

And all the money goes to the SACEM who gives the money to the big seller !

If a school wants to put music on a children show, they have to pay the SACEM.

If a pub wants a small band to play, they have to pay the SACEM ( even if the band isn't registered to the SACEM = société des artistes compositeures et interprètes de musique ).

No wonder we don't have a real music scene...

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Your point doesn't really stand up as the money that the all those venues pay goes back to the songwriters (minus admin costs). Believe me, royalty collection agencies are not the enemy.

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I'm with Steve on this one.

My mate in Paris knows so many people who make a real living out of writing music, thanks to schemes like this - instead of having all their creativity sapped by shitty 9-to-5 office jobs like their English counterparts.

That's the reason WE don't have a real music scene (braces for reply)

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Thing is jamo there's EXACTLY the same scheme here. The PRS does just that. Thing is that so many folk don't know about it.

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My point was : when you're in the system, you can win a lot of money ( some people can even live happily with the royalties from old songs ) but when you're not yet in the system that makes things very difficult.
How many venues in Paris play unsigned bands ?

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I get your point but its really the labels that should be doing more to combat this. There is stuff like the PRS Initiative and the Prince's Trust give some help to folk starting out but you're right, not enough is done.

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

France, the land of regulation and high taxes. But they do make nice brioches.

Again it's a combination of government and the music industry being absolutely clueless and just further alienating the people who make their profits.

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

hey, ive got 5500 songs on my 40gb ipod, can anyone beat that??

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No!

You truly are fantastic............

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I have 8200 songs on my 20gig iPod, but a lot of it is crap I must admit. Loads of free cd's and stuff making up the numbers

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

are the songs good? if you had loads of hit on it then you not fantastic(by shit i mean Mcfly who stole the name wounderland from the charlatans, spice girls, the new version of spice girls, general crap like that and almost anything that goes on top of the pops)
If however you have great music like radiohead, yeah yeah yeahs, belle and sebastain etc then "you are truly are fantastic" is a great statement

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Gosh, you are ever so indie.

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

all my ipod songs are brill, and yes radiohead and yyy's are on there,
however i do have my chemical romance on there but its not actually mine
how can you hold 8200 songs on a 20gb ipod? they must all be 30 second grindcore songs or something....

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

5500 songs? wow, you are amazing. who would have thought that listening to/collecting music would bring out the competitive nature in people? reminds me of The Sporting Life - but i'm sure if all the tracks are as brill as you say they are then that whole album is assuradly on there.... and even if mcr is on there, you shouldn't be ashamed of anything you listen too - even if it is with the volume turned down really low.... cheers

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

you are breaking copyright laws if you do anything but sit on your own in a sound proofed non-windowed room where there is any possibility of anyone else hearing it. Lending your cd's to your friends infringes copyright, showing them your albums infringes it..bladey bla..lets arrest everyone :o).

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

Stupid japanese people. Oh well, they gave us polysics.

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

well i think that most laws are stupid, will downloading of the web ever really be inforced properly (tho i don't do it) i really don't see the point of all these laws if there not inforced, they never will, even if they are some clever pc wizz will find a great way around the inforcments, oh well. I agree "Stupid japanese people" (nothing against them just the idea of that silly higher priced cd pricing). really glad i bought itch (a rarish radiohead album) from them before that happened :D

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

all this stuff is so blimming crazy, it seems you can't do anything with an ipod without breaking the law
like them crazy little clippy on things that allow you to listen to your ipod tunes through your radio, thus broadcasting your on your own radio frequency thus breaking the law
what is the point i ask you???!!!

iPod transfers: infringing copyright?

they're only illegal in England and not america aren't they?