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by waves
this is to do with

http://www.drownedinsound.com/boards/thread/123449

if any of you wondered. 'what the fuck?' or similar.

if you DO think subsultures exist on the internet,

‘Do you think subcultures are as important, or different, on the internet as they are in real life?’

If so,

‘Is this due to the instant classifications brought on by specific forums, or is it because, generally, communities on the internet are more mature, or for another reason entirely?’
waves | 01 Dec '04, 18:13 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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any time...

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well i would but im a trifle confused about what your asking here....

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well basically, my study is into whether subcultures exist on the internet. i'll outline it a bit more.

in the physical world, real world, whatever you want to call it, there are definate subcultures now and throughout recent history, and they have been definied by similar things - genres, bands, and ultimately clothing. my study is asking whether a coherent subculture can exist somewhere where we can't simply tell your tastes by your clothes - i.e., the internet.

so, what i'm asking is, can a subculture exist on things like messageboard and forums and chatrooms and on general music website communities, like the one here at DiS.

hope that makes it a little clearer...probably not.

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rrrrrright! i'll let y'know

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this is like a brain twister


erm so would a subculture on this forum be like me assuming people were belonging to one of these musicsubcultures??
such as i know that hopelessssstates is into indie without seeing him in the "real" world??

sorry as i said, im very slow and i justwant to write a good answer, cos i was quite proud of my q1 answer.

btw, im nearly 16 same as you so i should be able to write cohearant answers by now!!

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I think its not really a good thing having subcultures on line. because you (or anyone else) cant truley be themselfs. thus giving off the wrong impression. People can make up a whole new identity online and who would know? I think there is no 'culture' as such on the internet. yes its enjoyable to have a chat and stuff in these forums MSN or whatever. BUt it cant be taken seriously. You cant honestly develop real feelings for people you are talking too. in real life if your part of teh 'scene' and i hate calling it that. you know the people they're there you can talk to them here on a message board its more like a graffiti wall beacuse its primarily just a bunch of on the whole pretty random messages. I dont feel part of a community online is what I'm basically saying.

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how about specific band forums? does the fantasy of a false identity become redundant after a while? does the feature of a, maybe, exadurated personality add to a dimension of subculture - i.e., the ability to make yourself seem more 'emo' than you maybe in real life, playing to the stereotypes?

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I'd definitely agree with that. Within any interest (be it music, sport, whatever) you're gonna get that - i was talking to my workmates about this today at lunch - that some people will assume the dominant, i.e. stereotyped, personality in the group just to fit in if you see what I mean therefore reinforcing it. Does that make sense?

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No that wouldnt make any difference. People will as said assume roles. Maybe thats a good thing for some people as they can be whatever they want. But I'll always be dubious of people I speak to online because you never know whats staring back at you through the moniter.

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In my opinion there are clear divides between artificial subcultures on the internet and subcultures created by face to face human interaction. online personalities and therefore any collection of personalties are moulded by the intentions of the contributors, i.e the subculture is based purely on intentions, truthful or not, thus rendering the culture void of any validity. when individual are held to account for their beliefs a true culture/sub culture can be formed.

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I think to a certain extent subcultures exist on the net ,but the majority of them are based upon generalisation.
Because you dont have a visual your basing it on things like language,which is very misleading because anyone can adopt a different style of language -ie "WUDUP MAH BITCHEZ N HOEZ?!" from that stupidly id pehaps immediatly imagine the taste of music to be ganster rap etc , but for all i know they could be into blues or indie.
I dont think people take subcultures as seriously on the net as they do in real life.
Because for a start we can be unsure of who we are talking to,because its so easy to lie,so it can be very nieve to believe that people are telling the truth the whole time or just reading bands straight off a website and blagging it as their taste in music.
In a sense i think something is missing in society,as we naturally feel closer to someone whos shares a taste in music etc,i saw this article once think it was in Nme ,and it had all "student" tunes and "student" clothes ,it seemed funny how they had adopted a genre for students.
Anyway dont know if this helps or if im totally not answering your Question.

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Define 'subculture'.

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it has to be said that although i do worry about who im *really* talking to on forums n stuff, i am actually probably too trusting and i think it is possible to form relationships with people online (not romantic, but friendish)

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that's partly what i'm asking you to do.

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All these questions.. are we doing your homework for you? or are you doing some kind of research into peoples perceptions?

If it's the latter, I'd be interested to know what you think...

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it is the latter, research for media studies. i'll let you know how twisted you all are when i finish.

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Okay, just so i know where i stand.

In that case, I'll re-read the questions and post responses either tomorrow or sunday. Whenever I get sober enough to read, basically.

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Rather badly-phrased questions, but I'll give them a go.

No definition of what a subculture is, so let's say a group of individuals bonding over some set of fashions, opinions, behaviours that they feel separate them from the majority in society.

Yes such things exist on the internet. Just google on various obvious keywords and you'll find lots of cliche examples. The depressed eating-disorder bisexual 16 year old goth livejournal types being the worst offenders I'd say. So much mutual masturbation...

They are different on the internet and I think the nature of the internet encourages a lot of the sort of angst that motivates these things in a way that real life socialising doesn't. The internet allows you to meet thousands of people around the world whom you desparately want to feel like you have something in common with, when a lot of the time it's horribly artificial and illusory.

I'd say in real life it's harder to pigeonhole people and less uniformity in 'subcultures' less fake bonding over crap and more genuine interaction. It's just harder to find people you have stuff in common with.

Communities on the internet are typically anything but mature.

Classifications brought on by particular forums affecting the differences between real life and internet subcultures - not really sure what you're trying to get at there.

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It's so much easier to find people with similar preoccupations on the net than it is in real life. Just type depressed+bisexual+teenage+goth into Google. and there you have your new group of acquaintances. And because it's so easy, you end up with different sets of people to discuss different things with. You can talk about your bisexual tendencies and eating disorders with your suicidal goth 'friends', and your love of Coronation Street on some Coronation Street website somewhere, and thus you never get beneath the surface of most of the people you meet. Everyone's reduced to a set of matching characteristics, because they air their unmatching laundry elsewhere.

Whereas in real life, you'd discuss things with (a) group(s) of friends made in more normal circumstances. You'll bond with people over one issue, but discuss other things. Sometimes they're people you meet at gigs or whatever, so you know you've got something in common, but just as often they're people who get on the school bus at the same stop as you, or work at the desk next to you. Life throws people together in a far more random way than the internet. although it's still very easy to find suicidal teen goths if you're into that sort of thing.

It's like the difference between using a dating agency and approaching someone you fancy in a pub.

There are a lot of fora which delve much deeper than that. Here, for example, we're all kinda bonded by a love of music. But there are more and more posts about non-music related issues - look at the recent spate of threads about being dumped. But even bearing that in mind, there are people here I've been communicating with for years and I wouldn't say I knew them by any stretch of the imagination. But I do know some of their interests/ideas to an extent.

N.




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