you already know its Wunjo- I'd just like to take this opportunity to big them up.
Always very very nice when you go in there, ALWAYS get you to try guitars out, even if you are just browsing. The rest on that street are a bunch of utter twats, especially the one that used to be helterskelter- they once wouldn't let me try a relic fender tele, cos I didn't look like I was serious about buying it, and they need to keep them pristine like. A pristine 'relic'. Good one.
Well I'd say the guitars in there are generally rubish and not worth trying out, I like Andy's and Hanks although neither are the most friendly but they have charecter and good guitars.
Is that because you work at Hanks or Andys?...Can't really speak for Hanks, cos I'm not sure which one it is off the top of my head
At Andys, the guy upstairs in the repair bit is 'okay', and begrudgingly does stuff if you ask him to, but he's grumpy and deeply unfriendly and not above sneering at the guitar you take in there.
I once tried to buy a set of strings in Andys- ernie balls or something cheap, and they tried to charge me eight quid, cos the guy just didn't know how much they were supposed to be, so made up a price, til I called him up on it.
RE: Guitars being better in Andys- you have GOT to be kidding, right.
Three examples that stick out for me.
Early sixties Futurama II- I have one of these, that I got from a cash converters in Harlow for Forty quid. They are okay little guitars, but not really up to any kind of pro attention.Typical Ebay Price: £100, Typical 'normal guitar shop price' £150, Andys price: £500
Burns Sonic: I lust after these, cos they are again, cool and supposedly cheap. Typical Ebay Price- £300, 'normal shop price' £350, Andy's Price: £750
Heres the clincher for me.
Early sixties Fender Duo-Sonic, non original paint, re-shaped body, non original pickups, bridge, pickguard,pots, tuners- refinished neck. Got that? Only original thing about it was the neck, and that had been refinished. a total dogs dinner, with NO mention of any of the issues on the tag. I would pay no more than £200 for that, and would consider it a just about working project. Ebay price- $200? Normal guitar shop price??? Andys Price £800!!!!!!
This 'good guitars' thing is bollocks. There is no difference between the stock you get in any of those shops, generally, and I've NEVER seen anything as ratty and shite as that Duo Sonic in wunjo. I'd like if you could explain what is shitty about the stock in wunjo? Old gibsons, old fenders? Some nice sixties rickenbackers in there last time I went...I'm confused.
Its nice and all that, but aside from my sansamp pedal, I can always get things cheaper elsewhere.
I imported my last guitar from Japan and saved £500 off what Fender wanted for one officially.
Also a lot of this vintage stuff is just bollocks, the whole vintage thing started cos 70's guitars were rubbish so people started buying the older models and prices went up. Now that those guitars are £20K all of a sudden I'm seeing nasty 70's Strats for £1800......I think not.
well said- NO WAY would I pay two grand for a seventies fender...fucking stupid
Was up there today, actually, and Andys have a burns sonic for £895
Fucking ridiculous. I bought a refinished '56 Fender Musicmaster privately in England for £600, and despite the fact it is a prototype, earliest possible version, felt I paid a little over the odds. Saw a '66 musicmaster in vintage and rare today for a grand and a half!
I know they have high rents to pay, but I'm just amazed they find so many dumbass punters who can't shop around to pay that rent for them...
Did you see that Jeff Beck esquire reissue- a replica of Jeff Becks fifties esquire that someone contoured to make it feel like a strat, basically totally raping it of any collectibility value if it wasn't for the fact Jeff Beck owned it.
The custom shop reissue of that is selling for eight grand. EIGHT GRAND. You could get a refinned fifties tele for less than that! Fucking ridiculous...
i speak from experience from having sadly been forced into slave labour on the street. I luckliy know work in other areas! so firstly Andys.. unless you want to pay 150% over the odds you have to barter with them.. my main problem is they tend to push down the price of anyone bringing in any equipment and then take 15 % commision and then put it on sale for more than a new item..and take whetever they make on top with a 15 % take of whetever you asked it to be sold for..scam anyone..that is why stuff sits and sits in andys..you then get the added problem of being paid once you have sold your item..don't expect anyone to call and be prepared to wait!!! also new stock is usally b stock which they fix and sell at normal price!! ok so thats andy's out the way..hanks is part of the rokas, musicground, regents guitars empire..be warned these shops are not competing they are all owned by the same company..they all start at recommended retail price on most new items and will go down if you have a cheaper printed example..but they are all quite snobbish, sexists and elitist!! ok the specialised shops such as vintage and rare, musicground..vintage is all about getting choice pieces and collectors pay top wack for it..its never about serving the working musicians.lets face it you ned to be a lawyer or top accountant to be able to walk in and blow 2K on a guitar..or have a large advance to burn! they do mark up and sometimes they do get it wrong..always ask for a guarantee/authentication papers so if they forgot to mention something was changed you can go back to them and get them to source parts/barter etc.. ok now the other 2 other independent wunjo's and angels music..please please please make the effort to check out angels 1'st floor above musicground.its a treasure trove of realistically priced vintage jems..some of its tat but some of its good! and wunjos _ which can sometimes be offerpriced but does come with human beings serving you, they will let you try..brian the owner is a luthier first and foremost, he has just set up bj guitars and is an allround good scotsman ..hence he can appear tight sometimes but you can get a decent deal in there..they commision at 12.5 % and do call you as soon as item has interest and has gone..
so in essence know your stuff!! know the vintage guide prices and stick to them..also know the retail price of new items and study guitarmagazines for guide prices that month! if in doubt call the distributors which means you can alsio check credentials of shop that claims to be a distributor!
No I do not and have never worked in or on Denmark St. Just thought I'd get that out of the way.
Indeed ThewEbow wise words. I have hagled in Andy's and got £200 pound of what they were asking which resulted in a reasonable price would you believe.
Generally I agree with a lot of what has been said but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy going down there. I kind of enjoy the snotty-ness of some of the people as it makes me laugh nad now some of them just look at me like I'm a weirdo because I go in there, listen to their conversations and start laughing at them. On the odd occaision I've joind in to ridicule which has been hillarious... to me only most likely but still it's good to give it back.
I think there has been a bit of "wankery" as someone artfully put it but you can't argue with a self confessed geek so I won't.
Do any of you geeks know anything about locking neck and fine tunig systems made by Fender? (not floyd rose or anyone else just Fender)
That's a shitter about the strings as everyone seems have the prices fixed at the same price in every store on Denmark St but of course I buy mine in multi packs of eBay which is much cheaper.
if you have a 'recognised' status with a distributor you usually get an advantageous discount which either means the shop can sell them for less or profit more when selling them at recommended retail price.some independent shops on the other hand add a quid on the price as they probs had to purchase them for more and also sell strings ( rather than guitars) on a daily basis.. the economics of pricing are a bugger in this silly musical world..reminds me of a song by cake ' how do you afford you rock n roll lifestyle'!!! anyway go forth and prosper..andy hackett indeed runs with a partner angels music..sometimes it can feel intimidating but once you see the price tags you get over it!! strings online all the way..buy in bulk for big savings _ its also what shops do to get prices down to sting the customers for more wonga! happy new year all, and luck in the pursuit of that perfect instrument/string etc..
is it the fender kahler wierd 80's trem ( used on performer, katana, contemporary strats/teles of the late 80's early 90's) basically fenders take on the floyd rose? whats your problem with it?
yup- I normally get strings online, but I snapped one just before a gig at the twelve bar, and Andys was the only place open.
RE: Haggling- yeah, I know they do that- but £200 off the price of that burns sonic is still over twice what someone who doesn't smoke crack would pay- and I still deny your claim that Andy's sell 'better guitars' than wunjo- its just not so.
Locking trems etc are beyond my realm of knowledge- I'm into old guitars...hagstrom, vox, burns, fender etc
dear grockle i didn't say andys has better stuff..did i? i would say that wunjos has 10 times the breadth of quality and content of andy's..plus its more realistically priced..although rememeber that the overpriced stuff in wunjos is set by the seller not the shop..wunjos does a lot of commision sales where they add 15 % on top of the sellers asking price.. so a second hand guitar priced at 200 will go up at around 240..point is the price reflects the desired return from the seller not the shop, whixh is not the case with andys..although all things considered everyone has got to make some money.. but i wish it wasn't to the expense of the poor scint working musicians..who have yet to be able to afford mad vintage prices or paying over the odds for equipment from a guitar shop you are meant to have confidence in..personally for me its wunjos/angels music all the way, vintage and rare is ace to salivate in but the money they ask is a little inflated based on the american market apparently..
Nope, I know you didn't say that- I was replying to Kasete- check his claims further up the thread...!
RE: Vintage guitars- I ALWAYS check ebay and gbase.com, and its just a fuckload cheaper. You can get nice original jazzmasters for around $2500, and I've seen original but stripped early sixties musicmasters and duo sonics (underrated guitars) for $400!
Check my scandalous rant inducing blasphemic claims.
As for the fine tunig system it's fine, I was just wondering that's all, since there seemed to be an excess of knowlage in this thread I thought I'd harness a bit
I went in there last month, had a browse and he pointed out a faked guitar to me, he'd bought it on Ebay, cos he thought it looked OK. But it was a rebadged Tokai, he was a lovely bloke and that kind of honesty goes a long way with me.
Music Ground, I have a very libellous story about them from a guy I met who used to work at their Doncaster Store. However I shall desist from going any further, but they did do me a good price on my Sansamp.
In 1986, most of te big guitar companies paid a royalty to copy the Floyd Rose Trem, many such as Ibanez actually improved on the design.
Pre 1986, Fenders Japanese guitars. Contemporary Range, hasd their own take on the technology, which don't work that well. But trouble is that was 20 years ago so I doubt if you could get parts.
I restored a Yamaha SG1300t last year and in the end I made it fixed bridge and blocked the trem as getting parts was nigh on impossible for a pre Floyd locking trem.
but my words of caution on Denmark Street is that Andy's is the biggest pile of over charging, bullshitting SHIT ever. I totally agree with ThwEbow.. ANDY'S SUCKS ARSE.
I went in there, bought a pedal that to be fair I quite like, and even though I haggled, I saw it in another shop for about £40 less. They're total rip off merchants. Also, whilst I was in there, some foreign bloke came in to buy a guitar and they totally conned him. All this "this was Ray Davies' guitar when he recorded 'Be A Mug and Come To Andy's You Bunch of Cunts".
The expertise in Andy's is SHIT.
The guitars are knackered and 10000 hand and SHIT.
The prices are sky high and SHIT.
The shop even LOOKS SHIT.
Oh yeah
I know the one you mean, used to be Argents printed music store but that moved next door. Sorry haven't a clue what the name is though.
Wunjo guitars!
just found out...yeeha.
bf
you already know its Wunjo- I'd just like to take this opportunity to big them up.
Always very very nice when you go in there, ALWAYS get you to try guitars out, even if you are just browsing. The rest on that street are a bunch of utter twats, especially the one that used to be helterskelter- they once wouldn't let me try a relic fender tele, cos I didn't look like I was serious about buying it, and they need to keep them pristine like. A pristine 'relic'. Good one.
mmmm
Well I'd say the guitars in there are generally rubish and not worth trying out, I like Andy's and Hanks although neither are the most friendly but they have charecter and good guitars.
bf
Is that because you work at Hanks or Andys?...Can't really speak for Hanks, cos I'm not sure which one it is off the top of my head
At Andys, the guy upstairs in the repair bit is 'okay', and begrudgingly does stuff if you ask him to, but he's grumpy and deeply unfriendly and not above sneering at the guitar you take in there.
I once tried to buy a set of strings in Andys- ernie balls or something cheap, and they tried to charge me eight quid, cos the guy just didn't know how much they were supposed to be, so made up a price, til I called him up on it.
RE: Guitars being better in Andys- you have GOT to be kidding, right.
Three examples that stick out for me.
Early sixties Futurama II- I have one of these, that I got from a cash converters in Harlow for Forty quid. They are okay little guitars, but not really up to any kind of pro attention.Typical Ebay Price: £100, Typical 'normal guitar shop price' £150, Andys price: £500
Burns Sonic: I lust after these, cos they are again, cool and supposedly cheap. Typical Ebay Price- £300, 'normal shop price' £350, Andy's Price: £750
Heres the clincher for me.
Early sixties Fender Duo-Sonic, non original paint, re-shaped body, non original pickups, bridge, pickguard,pots, tuners- refinished neck. Got that? Only original thing about it was the neck, and that had been refinished. a total dogs dinner, with NO mention of any of the issues on the tag. I would pay no more than £200 for that, and would consider it a just about working project. Ebay price- $200? Normal guitar shop price??? Andys Price £800!!!!!!
This 'good guitars' thing is bollocks. There is no difference between the stock you get in any of those shops, generally, and I've NEVER seen anything as ratty and shite as that Duo Sonic in wunjo. I'd like if you could explain what is shitty about the stock in wunjo? Old gibsons, old fenders? Some nice sixties rickenbackers in there last time I went...I'm confused.
Denmark Street is overpriced
Its nice and all that, but aside from my sansamp pedal, I can always get things cheaper elsewhere.
I imported my last guitar from Japan and saved £500 off what Fender wanted for one officially.
Also a lot of this vintage stuff is just bollocks, the whole vintage thing started cos 70's guitars were rubbish so people started buying the older models and prices went up. Now that those guitars are £20K all of a sudden I'm seeing nasty 70's Strats for £1800......I think not.
bf
well said- NO WAY would I pay two grand for a seventies fender...fucking stupid
Was up there today, actually, and Andys have a burns sonic for £895
Fucking ridiculous. I bought a refinished '56 Fender Musicmaster privately in England for £600, and despite the fact it is a prototype, earliest possible version, felt I paid a little over the odds. Saw a '66 musicmaster in vintage and rare today for a grand and a half!
I know they have high rents to pay, but I'm just amazed they find so many dumbass punters who can't shop around to pay that rent for them...
I had a rant about this a while ago....
http://www.jeztone.com/2006/09/
scroll halfway down, theres an article on Vintage guitars.
bf
interesting stuff.
Did you see that Jeff Beck esquire reissue- a replica of Jeff Becks fifties esquire that someone contoured to make it feel like a strat, basically totally raping it of any collectibility value if it wasn't for the fact Jeff Beck owned it.
The custom shop reissue of that is selling for eight grand. EIGHT GRAND. You could get a refinned fifties tele for less than that! Fucking ridiculous...
bf
Heres what I'm on about
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1957-Fender-Esquire-Telecaster_W0QQitemZ220062992958QQihZ012QQcategoryZ118988QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thats a real '57 esquire for seven and a half grand, all original, in fairly decent shape
Here's a modern replica of a TOTALLY FUCKED esquire, for a grand more
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-Jeff-Beck-Tribute-Esquire_W0QQitemZ7422966295QQihZ016QQcategoryZ33039QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
insane...
yawn
guitar wankery is for wankers...
bf
I'm not into guitar wankery, I'm just against being ripped off through ignorance.
The Libertines are also for wankers, you fucking tossball
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
that would be funny if it weren't deliberate...
I'm a guitar geek
You think I'm a wanker cool. But I'd look at your profile photo before you start bandering the word "Wanker" around;)
Merry Xmas
a wise word on denmark street
i speak from experience from having sadly been forced into slave labour on the street. I luckliy know work in other areas! so firstly Andys.. unless you want to pay 150% over the odds you have to barter with them.. my main problem is they tend to push down the price of anyone bringing in any equipment and then take 15 % commision and then put it on sale for more than a new item..and take whetever they make on top with a 15 % take of whetever you asked it to be sold for..scam anyone..that is why stuff sits and sits in andys..you then get the added problem of being paid once you have sold your item..don't expect anyone to call and be prepared to wait!!! also new stock is usally b stock which they fix and sell at normal price!! ok so thats andy's out the way..hanks is part of the rokas, musicground, regents guitars empire..be warned these shops are not competing they are all owned by the same company..they all start at recommended retail price on most new items and will go down if you have a cheaper printed example..but they are all quite snobbish, sexists and elitist!! ok the specialised shops such as vintage and rare, musicground..vintage is all about getting choice pieces and collectors pay top wack for it..its never about serving the working musicians.lets face it you ned to be a lawyer or top accountant to be able to walk in and blow 2K on a guitar..or have a large advance to burn! they do mark up and sometimes they do get it wrong..always ask for a guarantee/authentication papers so if they forgot to mention something was changed you can go back to them and get them to source parts/barter etc.. ok now the other 2 other independent wunjo's and angels music..please please please make the effort to check out angels 1'st floor above musicground.its a treasure trove of realistically priced vintage jems..some of its tat but some of its good! and wunjos _ which can sometimes be offerpriced but does come with human beings serving you, they will let you try..brian the owner is a luthier first and foremost, he has just set up bj guitars and is an allround good scotsman ..hence he can appear tight sometimes but you can get a decent deal in there..they commision at 12.5 % and do call you as soon as item has interest and has gone..
so in essence know your stuff!! know the vintage guide prices and stick to them..also know the retail price of new items and study guitarmagazines for guide prices that month! if in doubt call the distributors which means you can alsio check credentials of shop that claims to be a distributor!
hope that helps,
have a happy new year all!
bf
is Angels run by Andy Hackett?
I have never been in their, but keep meaning to...
bf
*there
Wow
This has gone on for a while.
No I do not and have never worked in or on Denmark St. Just thought I'd get that out of the way.
Indeed ThewEbow wise words. I have hagled in Andy's and got £200 pound of what they were asking which resulted in a reasonable price would you believe.
Generally I agree with a lot of what has been said but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy going down there. I kind of enjoy the snotty-ness of some of the people as it makes me laugh nad now some of them just look at me like I'm a weirdo because I go in there, listen to their conversations and start laughing at them. On the odd occaision I've joind in to ridicule which has been hillarious... to me only most likely but still it's good to give it back.
I think there has been a bit of "wankery" as someone artfully put it but you can't argue with a self confessed geek so I won't.
Do any of you geeks know anything about locking neck and fine tunig systems made by Fender? (not floyd rose or anyone else just Fender)
Cheers. Have a good New Year all!
Oh yeah Grockle..
That's a shitter about the strings as everyone seems have the prices fixed at the same price in every store on Denmark St but of course I buy mine in multi packs of eBay which is much cheaper.
ernie ball licensed stores.
if you have a 'recognised' status with a distributor you usually get an advantageous discount which either means the shop can sell them for less or profit more when selling them at recommended retail price.some independent shops on the other hand add a quid on the price as they probs had to purchase them for more and also sell strings ( rather than guitars) on a daily basis.. the economics of pricing are a bugger in this silly musical world..reminds me of a song by cake ' how do you afford you rock n roll lifestyle'!!! anyway go forth and prosper..andy hackett indeed runs with a partner angels music..sometimes it can feel intimidating but once you see the price tags you get over it!! strings online all the way..buy in bulk for big savings _ its also what shops do to get prices down to sting the customers for more wonga! happy new year all, and luck in the pursuit of that perfect instrument/string etc..
fender trem systems.
is it the fender kahler wierd 80's trem ( used on performer, katana, contemporary strats/teles of the late 80's early 90's) basically fenders take on the floyd rose? whats your problem with it?
forgot to say.
usually reserved for imports (japenese).. does that tie in with what you have got?
bf
yup- I normally get strings online, but I snapped one just before a gig at the twelve bar, and Andys was the only place open.
RE: Haggling- yeah, I know they do that- but £200 off the price of that burns sonic is still over twice what someone who doesn't smoke crack would pay- and I still deny your claim that Andy's sell 'better guitars' than wunjo- its just not so.
Locking trems etc are beyond my realm of knowledge- I'm into old guitars...hagstrom, vox, burns, fender etc
Wunjos is great
and Brian, as has been mentioned, is a stirling geezer chap.
one more thing
dear grockle i didn't say andys has better stuff..did i? i would say that wunjos has 10 times the breadth of quality and content of andy's..plus its more realistically priced..although rememeber that the overpriced stuff in wunjos is set by the seller not the shop..wunjos does a lot of commision sales where they add 15 % on top of the sellers asking price.. so a second hand guitar priced at 200 will go up at around 240..point is the price reflects the desired return from the seller not the shop, whixh is not the case with andys..although all things considered everyone has got to make some money.. but i wish it wasn't to the expense of the poor scint working musicians..who have yet to be able to afford mad vintage prices or paying over the odds for equipment from a guitar shop you are meant to have confidence in..personally for me its wunjos/angels music all the way, vintage and rare is ace to salivate in but the money they ask is a little inflated based on the american market apparently..
bf
Nope, I know you didn't say that- I was replying to Kasete- check his claims further up the thread...!
RE: Vintage guitars- I ALWAYS check ebay and gbase.com, and its just a fuckload cheaper. You can get nice original jazzmasters for around $2500, and I've seen original but stripped early sixties musicmasters and duo sonics (underrated guitars) for $400!
Yes
Check my scandalous rant inducing blasphemic claims.
As for the fine tunig system it's fine, I was just wondering that's all, since there seemed to be an excess of knowlage in this thread I thought I'd harness a bit
bf
...well, it was a little rich, wunnit? ;)
Angels is good!
I went in there last month, had a browse and he pointed out a faked guitar to me, he'd bought it on Ebay, cos he thought it looked OK. But it was a rebadged Tokai, he was a lovely bloke and that kind of honesty goes a long way with me.
Music Ground, I have a very libellous story about them from a guy I met who used to work at their Doncaster Store. However I shall desist from going any further, but they did do me a good price on my Sansamp.
Fender Locking Trems Mr Kaset
In 1986, most of te big guitar companies paid a royalty to copy the Floyd Rose Trem, many such as Ibanez actually improved on the design.
Pre 1986, Fenders Japanese guitars. Contemporary Range, hasd their own take on the technology, which don't work that well. But trouble is that was 20 years ago so I doubt if you could get parts.
I restored a Yamaha SG1300t last year and in the end I made it fixed bridge and blocked the trem as getting parts was nigh on impossible for a pre Floyd locking trem.
bf
what the hell does bf mean
Grockle ALWAYS writes bf, so I have no idea
but my words of caution on Denmark Street is that Andy's is the biggest pile of over charging, bullshitting SHIT ever. I totally agree with ThwEbow.. ANDY'S SUCKS ARSE.
I went in there, bought a pedal that to be fair I quite like, and even though I haggled, I saw it in another shop for about £40 less. They're total rip off merchants. Also, whilst I was in there, some foreign bloke came in to buy a guitar and they totally conned him. All this "this was Ray Davies' guitar when he recorded 'Be A Mug and Come To Andy's You Bunch of Cunts".
The expertise in Andy's is SHIT.
The guitars are knackered and 10000 hand and SHIT.
The prices are sky high and SHIT.
The shop even LOOKS SHIT.
Andy's? Bollocks more like.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Agreed
Andy's is a total rip-off, avoid.
bf
see also my above rant over their 'burns sonic' for £895(!!!!) and totally, utterly raped Fender Duo Sonic...
shysters