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by prole_art_threat
I know I will be as popular as Dick Cheney for this but I heard another Bloc Party song last night that finally confirmed what I thought all along - this time they have modelled a song on orange juice/aztec camera/lotus eaters whimsy which basicaly means they have shored up every indie genre from 1980 to 1983 (ie the fall/Go4/Cure/Josef K etc) which means a) they have not even a scrap of orignality b) clearly their record company gave them press sampler albums from that period and c) that they are complete fakes from the alternative production line - of course I'd like to be proved wrong but IM entitled to my opinion!
prole_art_threat | 28 Jan '05, 10:27 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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*yawns*

That's right, cos they weren't playing exactly the same material before they got signed were they. If you don't like them, fair enough, but get over it. Please.

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And I'm entitled to mine - you suck!

Just kidding. I've always been a big fan of the whole post-punk sound, which is why I like this.

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whoops I forgot in this world opinion is dissent and that means exclusion! I also forgot to add that a weak voice and less than inspiring songs are probably the main cause of my disdain for this average band! and please do slag off the bands i like as debate and conjecture on other people's passions is what makes us far more interesting than the average joe dullfuck. the thing that makes these threads interseting to read is not the fact that 54 people agree that carling sponsored night was amazing but that the internet gives us the right to agree and disagree with each other without having to wait a week to write a letter to Angst in NME!


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Say something positive.

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I cant see how you can say Kele has a weak voice..have you heard Banquet? Its the schnazz

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i just saw bloc party MIMING on cduk. so don't know how you can argue that kele can sing. and, in defence of prole, read down the thread to see a lot of slagging off of doves happening which somehow isn't classed as negativity. i'm not defending doves, but it's interesting how it's ok to slag off some bands and not others...

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many bands get asked to mime on tv shows. stops anything unfortunate or unpredictable or exciting happening, innit. i have no idea exactly whose decision it was that he should mime, but bear it in mind.

xxx

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there are many, many bands who routinely refuse to mime on television shows and always have been. please correct me if i'm wrong but i'm fairly sure cduk is pre-recorded, so it's not that risky for them to have live vocals. even bloody girls aloud have sung live on there!
look, there are other reasons for which i am deeply dubious about bloc party's credentials and right to be near-deified in the way they currently are, but i just found them miming amusing given the above statement re. vocals - i've seen them live and of all the things i could thing of to say about them, 'kele is a great vocalist' is certainly not one of them.

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well, like i said, i don't know whose decision it was. it's been many years since i even say cd:uk, as it's just not on at my kinda time of day.....

i've seen bloc party a few times at assorted venues, and i've liked kele's vocals every time. they're unusual and arresting and they suit the music. i guess it's just a matter of taste.

xxx

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Sure, they a little derivative here and there, but not to the point of slavish copying. Is this the vinegary smell of sour grapes? The 'they're popular now so I can't like them because I'm so cool and underground and hip and trendy, listening to bulgarian nose flute hip hop?'

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I have given them a fair listen lately. And the originality thing aside, I can't remember a single note of a single song I've heard. And it was only yesterday. They are so, so average they just fade into nothing. I am completely at a loss as to why anyone likes them if i'm honest. Which just confirms what I thought after their terrible performance at Reading. It's just mucky indie sludge (actually that makes them sound better than they are).

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harsh words Mr Brainlove! I really like them, i think some songs lack originality definatly, Little Thoughts for one, but i really like it anyway. Im seeing them in March and im really hoping they are as good as they sound on record, which unfourtunatly i doubt. Just out of curiosity, what was so bad with their Reading performance? (i wasnt there so cant judge...)

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I think after all the hype I was expecting something really great, and they came out and played very pedestrian same-old-shit guitar sons. So my expectations were dashed pretty quickly. Also, they just seemed to have no songs at all and be quite monotonous. I feel slightly bad for kicking the shit out of them quite so badly here, but it's an honest opinion.

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I agree with J B Love! at least we can chat about this on the stakes as we get burned alive for heresay (without wishing to be lucid in my descripton they were nothing less than fucking shit supporting Interpol)
Am still waiting for a band this year to hit me with their genuius when It comes to the Doves new single as being the best thing so far it gets very worrying!

theres still the new BSP album to look forward to




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have you heard the new Enon record? 'Lost Marbles & Exploded Evidence'. Not sure if it's out yet. Just reviewed it on brainlove.cjb.net. Also Fiery Furnaces have a new 10-song EP with the ultimate versions of Tropical-Iceland and Single Again on it, and some special new songs.

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Hang on...dull, repetitive...and then you rate Doves?!

Why is that any different at all to anything else they've ever done. It's not. And if there's anything worse than ripping off another band, it's ripping off yourself. Only a year after the tune you're ripping off came out. Good God that Doves single is utter boring pish. How the fuck you can claim that's any better than anything else out now is beyond me! What is wrong with you man. I'd rather boil my own head in a vat of steaming vinegar while being kicked repeatedly in the balls by Noel Edmonds than listen to that turgid, repetative toss one more time. For fucks sake.

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Yay! Bamos kicked loads of arse. The Doves really do suck the fucking big one. What a shoddy piece of shit band. I fucking hate them with a passion. droney bollocks that just seems to never end. gah. it ruins my mood just thinking of them.

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i quite like the doves!

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I was pointing out that everything I have heard this year is so gash that the Doves single is the only thing that I rate as being ok-ish - read a bit closer before you assume I'm Phil Jupitus' tour manager or something! its not like I said that I flatlined with excitement when I heard Wires by Athlete! And I'm not scared that people wont think I'm cutting edge if I don't go eppy with enthusiasm for a 'new cross' band

For the record the new Fiery Furnaces one is ok and can;t wait to hear other new bands that amke me want to go out and kick a dog or something

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Get over y'self.

Either your profile is lying, or the only bands you actually like are The Fall, Art Brut, and Interpol. How does that qualify you to judge.. well... virtually everything?

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ok what shall I tell you that qulaifies as liking the bands I DO rate then?

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I wasn't attacking your taste. I don't do that.

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Come on, I'm up for a scrap.

Bloc Party: I start by saying I have no records of theirs. I have heard them on the radio. Quite a lot.
But like previous posters I have to say I can't recall a single fucking thing about the songs I heard. They just sort of slid out of my head like greased mucus.

Doves: The musical equivalent of Chinese water torture - an endless drip, drip, drip, drone, drone, drone. Makes me want to rip the stereo out of the wall and try to eat it.


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Reasons why I think Bloc Party are great.

1. There songs have loads of energy (and not just by having 200mph tempos)

2. They create some fantastic soundscapes

3. Great basslines, even if they are a little Go4 inspired.

4. Kele Okereke is an amazing vocalist, and his lyrics are interesting (to me anyway).

5. The songs get absolutely lodged into my brain, so I don't know how you find them so forgetable John.

As for being unoriginal, prole, you rate Art Brut 5*s, which just makes me laugh. They are a load of shit, and about as unoriginal as they come.

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The crazy Frog ringtone gets lodged in my brain but it doent mean that they're created musical Alchemy you know!

I LOVE the way it gets personal in here if you dare to question a band - brilliant - utter genius!

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You're always so smug and that's most likely why you get the reactions you do. Plus unless it slipped your mind Prole, you always moan about Bloc Party. It's like an old person who regurgitates war stories as if stuck on some awful loop. Like Bloc Party, don't like them. It's boring now.

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The cunt Moyles played a Bloc Party song this morning, so it's only a matter of time before they become reasonably mainstream (and I mean proper mainstream, not DiS mainstream where more than three people having heard you counts as populist).

In fact i just checked and they're on the R1 playlist now - the backlash from all you cool kids will no doubt start in earnest, allowing the few who got their digs in early to sit smugly back and gloat.

I like 'em, but then I would.

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well they weren't signed for late night radio listeners and for a niche market - if they dont sell the right units they'll be dropped - hence why moyles played it - they are not different than Feeder in that respect - anyone who thinks they are the preserve of the intie elite had better think again!!!

anyway enough of the vagaries of the music industry anyone going to the Camden Crawl?

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They already are pretty much mainstream. Number one on the NME chart on MTV2 yesterday.

There was nothing else on, OK.

I like Bloc Party and I don't care. They're not the best thing ever but in terms of post-punk pop they have a hell of a lot more substance than those jokers Franz Ferdinand. I reserve my right to stop liking them any time in the near future, when they get too popular or I hear their singles too often.

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"They create some fantastic soundscapes"

Now there's an original sentiment.

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Yeah, sorry, that was crap.

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I like Bloc Party because I find their songs catchy and interesting.

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that was very concise.

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Umm, couldn't be botehred reading the whole post - sorry. I am not going to defend Doves new single - only heard it live but when Bloc Party can do a song as good as "The Cedar Rooms" then I will sit up and really take notice of them! At the moment they are filed under mediocre indie the 'the kids' are raving about - so to me it's a bit too sceenish and lacking in substance


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ha, love reading these posts.
both bands are OK. nothing more nothing less!
easy way out hey?


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Well I think they're quite nice....nothing radical (again) but they make a nice sound....pleasent music, not challenging at all, but not annoying.

So I can understand why Johhny B is negative about them...
But Prole you just always seem very negative in your negativity. Johhny B's negativity seems positive....i.e. you get the impression that though he hates lots, he also loves stuff a lot......that doesnt seem to come across with Mr Prole.

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As per my earlier point. However PAT did offer to give us a blast of passionate positivity. Go go go...

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I'll start a thread to nudge him.

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They really do nothing for me.
Don't like his voice.
Don't find their songs interesting.
With the influences they so obviously have,i should like them, but i don't.Perhaps it lacks a little soul ?

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good point re: prole and brainlove. prole seems very bitter

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the real question is: does Deathbus like Bloc Party?

as for me, i loved the first 3 singles, loved them the few times i've seen them live, had a cheeky download of the album and found it slightly dissapointing. not sure if i'm gonna buy it.

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personally, i loved the first 4 singles, and i loved them the few times i've seen them live. however, i had a cheeky download of the album and i was dissapointed. quite a few filler tracks, and my faves (little thoughts and the marshals are dead) aren't on it.

but the real question is this? does Deathbus like Bloc Party?

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oooh the case of the double monpot post. actually i'm making it triple now.

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Deathbus will review over the weekend...expect post on monday.
He will also review futureheads.

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too many posts to read, but I agree, i absolutely fucking hate Bloc Party. From the second they came on stage supporting Span as Islington academy 2, I hated them. Absolutely terrible vocals- he CANNOT sing, unless he has sudden miracle lessons, the guitarist just reminded me of the radiohead guitarist - total rip-off - hair wise and guitar-style/effects too. This band are so typical - their image, their sound, their songs,their pathetic name for a band. Boring, unoriginal - and thus shit

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I hate them. They're just annoying

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I like Bloc Party because I like them. Endof.

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It's completely beyond me to understand the phenonemnal appeal of this very boring, very average band.

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I think people have tried to explain why they like them. All I'll say is that I think they're a good band with catchy songs that are enjoyable. There's probably enough out there for you to be challenged by and stroke your chin to if you want it.

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I would say that I do not have enough obscure indie knowlege to know whether they are original or not but to me that isnt the point. Obviously originality is a wonderful virtue in a band but if a band is solely original but not enjoyable then there is little point in them. An example of this is My Bloody Valentine. They were a pioneering band in their time and had an influence on many of the bands which I like, but I find their songs somewhat boaring and monotonous. I think what I like most about Bloc Party is the energy of their music and the amount of emotion they manage to convey in their songs. It is something to do with how urgent and frenetic their music feels. So to me, their originality isn't really what matters when I like the music they make as much as I do. Having said all of this, I have not yet heard all of Silent Alarm, fingers crossed.

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the point is though that isnt about the music anymore is it prole_art_threat? its personal, why cant u just say so? you are obviously just some sad little man that is a band, or was in a band that bloc party played with and you are jealous of their rate of success. you seem to come up here and spout nothing but bitterness about this band for no discernible reason. you think that they are unoriginal and cant play, but you like that bunch of talentless no marks art brut. i dont really understand that at all. just let it go man, your bitching isnt going to turn their army of fans (me included) against them, if anything it just strengthens our resolve. you arent going to chip away their fan base so why bother. if u continue to set up negative post against bloc party then people will just keep shouting you down, why dont u just do something worthwhileand say something nice about someone instead. bloc party are going to be here for a long time and all that hate inside will kill you, and you wouldnt want that after losing a family member would u?

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Actually the opinion seems pretty even divided between liking/ not liking them... it's not as one-sided as you strange fanatics would hope.

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the thing is...err who cares? who cares what a bunch of dull internet geeks with too much time on their hands think? you bunch of losers would never like a band like bp for the fear of being mainstream, ood music for you has to be new and underground or some elitist shit. its completely pointless arguing about this and what is undeniable is that bp are now a big band and they dont need the approval of a bunch of internet geeks that post on here everyday when they should be out enjoying life. post what u want prole and brainlove, bloc party will be just fine without u

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Nothing to do with meanstream-ness. I like the libertines, for example. You're just gonna have to face it - some people just don't like your precious fave band...

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ok i think we are clear now, u like the libertines. fucking geeky knobjockey, i think this discussion is over. i hope u fall downa bit pit sometime soon and land on yr big geeky face, crunch!

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Close the door on your way out.

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hopefully your neck will be in the door and i'll get to snap it in half.

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kit kat anyone?

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i am talking, i would not like a chocolate

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seems like you need a break though.

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hahahaha.

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i am serious, i love music. i love bloc party, kit kat make me sick. i love art

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art?

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the art of WAR!

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Anyone remember Break Aways, i think that's what they were called.

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don't takeaway my breakaway!

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Hahaha. awesome. From Bloc Party to Break Aways in one thread. DiS is awesome!

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Forgot to mention - awesome!

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I always wondered what the ninja (sorry - hero) turtles did after their media careers were over... and now we know.

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nah, the real proof of the pudding would be if stubryce uses the wonderful "cowabunga".

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breakaways were yum. i had them for packed lunch, back when i was emollient's age ;).

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Were they sort of grain/nut type things covered in chocolate with a blue wrapper?

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I think it was a yellow wrapper. I use to have one when I came in from school, and then go and watch Countdown.



oh god.

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nah. more like a penguin. I have some here actually. yellow wrapper. mmmmm breakaway.

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http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/nestsle_breakaway.jpg

my mouth is watering. and you can still buy them!!!!