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why is Koko rubbish?

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by benners

just following on from the interpol thread...

benners | 01 May '07, 09:12 | Send note | Report this | Reply

ps.

I'm not saying it's great, just wondering tis all =)


I don't like it

coz you can't hear the bands for shit. The sound just disappears into the ceiling and you can only hear tinny tinny tinny.

Also, the drinks are expensive.


it used to be fun

as camden palace... urusei yatsura there was a great gig. ahh. not been there for years for a gig though, last couple of times i was there was for a work presentation bizarrely enough.


I've been down the front

for all the gigs I've been to there and the sound has been fine.


but yeah

the drinks take the piss.


Saw Ladytron there

about 18 months ago and i remember we were in the pub around the corner about 8pm, and one of us popped up to koko and asked a doorman what time the band were on and they said 'in about 15 mins', so we all go charging in, and guess what? 45 mins later we're still waiting for them to come on.
Pretty sure this had nothing to do with prima-donna behaviour from the scouse-electro clan. You suddenly find yourself buying obscenely over-priced cans that the cunt barman insists on opening before you take them away. This must be so you cant run out of the venue with them, and also so you spill them on your way back to your mates so you buy more. Yes, its a conspiracy folks! - ive got it all figured out!


Why Koko is rubbish

- the sound is crap
- there are very limited spots from which you can actually see anything. Plenty of room for sitting down in the back! Nowhere much to see the stage.
- Finding loos/bar from any given spot except downstairs is like navigating Hampton Court maze.
- Drink prices are stupid, and service is sloooooow.
- It seems to attract a larger than usual proportion of twats who talk all through the band. Whoever the band is, there you have it, astounding twat-count.

On the plus side, it's a beautiful building and it's fine if you're downstairs near the front. If you roll up late and are more in a hanging at the back, watching and having a few beers mood, it's bloody awful.


for me...

the sight-lines are generally rubbish unless you're a)right up the front few rows in the stalls, or b) the first row on the first balcony (but then again i'm a short-arse)

sound-wise it's okay on the first balcony - but then again that's behind the sound desk so it damn well should be. other places were pretty poor from my experience.


bad sound for most shows

slightly overbearing security
horrendous drinks prices
really awfully laid out


^^

I got lost looking for my firends who were up on the top balcony cause we watned to escape the woeful sounds of Air Traffic, anyways also £3.70 for a can of Kronenburg? £3.90 for a BOTTLE! God its ludacris, i hope for the sake of me it aint that much at Royal Albert Hall, i want to enjoy Modest Mouse.


i like the layout

and i like the fact the top bar makes me feel like i'm in outer space.


Yes it is huge

and it looks nice, well the bar area does. Once the bands play ur fucked I saw Spinto Band there back in Febuary? And as much as I love them and their shows are usualy great fun the sound killed it for me, u could barley make out the lyrics and it just seemed to blur into one, the sound was better from the top balcony! WTF! who wants to watch a band 6 stories up?


I think for Interpol

I'm going to Wedge myself in the front row. Everyone seems to think it sounds okay there..


Front row

is a must if you actually want to hear the band. I saw Vincent Gallo there and before the gig, they had a cd playing. They even fudged the sound for that!

Broken Social Scene's sound was fine but they did bring alng their own sound man.


The sound

for Ladytron was fine (we were near the bar at the back downstairs) but ive still no desire to ever go there again. I find it unthinkable.


^^

Its average there at best lol


the sound has always been awful when I've been

This is when standing about 5m back from the stage.


yeah it's still

not great (I hate koko) but it's better than being stuck at the back and not being able to see much apart from the heads of the band.


bf

I'm going next friday, and I'm getting paid to be there!


Burn KOKO

My band has a song called "Burn KOKO" about this sort of thing!

www.myspace.com/subliminalgirls

We're releasing it as a single.


Personally I have no particular beef with Koko

aside from the drink extortion. But most of the stuff I've been to there recently has been dance stuff like Roger Sanchez et al. and possibly have been too ,ahem, *happy* to really notice sound quality.


Burn KOKO

For gigs it makes a difference though.

"Burn KOKO to the ground, send them all back to the Ministry fo sound"

You should have come to the video shoot on Sat, it was fucking funny.


why are people saying

the sound is crap? it really isn't! ever considered you might just have been standing in the wrong place? on the floor and on the balcony directly in front of the stage the sound's pretty fucking awesome. Saw Explosions both there and at Astoria, middle of floor for both, and Koko shat all over Astoria for sound.

Yeah, the drinks are ridiculous, but it's Camden, what do you expect?


Astoria

True, the Astoria sound is bad if you're not right at the front, same with the forum since they made it bigger.

I think the KOKO thing isn't just about the sound. For us it's the Camden location and the sort of people that take themselves FAR to seriously that go on the NME night really.


'but its Camden, what do you expect?'

The bar prices at koko are extreme even by camden's standards. They are even worse than a lot of west end venues - and thats saying something.


really?

what is it? £3.50 odd for a can of Red Stripe? I paid £3.60 for a Grolsch in Scala last night...


I have considered I might be standing in the wrong place

But if the wrong place is on the floor, dead centre and about 5m back from the stage then that's not exactly great.


i'm not here to defend koko

but i've been quite a few times and compared to a lot of venues in london (astoria, hammersmith palais, scala, etc.) it outdoes them in clarity and sheer force of sound.

who did you see when the sound was so dire? maybe there was just a shit sound engineer on that night?

a tip for people really concerned with sound at a gig: stand as close to the front of house sound desk as you can, it invariably sounds best there, as that's largely where it's mixed from.


i don;t know

i like it there


I don't really like the place

but the sound for the Low - Don't Look Back gig was faultless.


^probably the only great gig I've seen there

I might go to Deerhoof tomorrow, mind.


koko

Go on, have a listen:

www.myspace.com/subliminalgirls

:)


NO-ONE CARES

.


:D

ive never been there, but i love esoteric jokes in songs. they make me feel big.


damnit i fell for the Jag.

bastards.

still :D


:)

Just thought it was topical for the thread "why is KOKO rubbish".

Maybe next song should be about people who post on forums that take themselves a little bit to seriously Ithica?


yea

but you posted the same link like 3 times, if people wanted to click it they would, stop taking YOURSELF too seriously ;)


i quite like it for a night out with my bessie

she isn't as into music as me so it's nice to go somewhere that plays some music i like when we go out.

i wouldn't like to see a band there though. was disapointed when i saw interpols gig is going to be there.


I've seen two amazing gigs there

Firstly was biffy clyro with oceansize. Second was TV on the radio. The problem for me, is the sound and the general crowd who go there.

Biffy negated both of those problems, travelled with their own sound tech and had crystal sound, and of course the biffy army turned up in full force. Oceansize were great cause they knew the sound would be shit, so just cranked it up several notches and blew my ears out. Fucking incredible.

Tv on the radio had really quite bad reaction from the crowd, who seemed so indifferent, apart from some people (like me) who danced and careered around like the smiling loons we were. Their sound was really bassy, and it took a lot off their performance, because they have such a varied type of delicate sounds. they were so energetic and tight that in the end, it really didn't matter. Incredible.

Other bands I've seen there have never managed to replicate either of these performances.


Tv

I like Tv on the Radio.

I agree about the crowd.

It's mostly like a scene from Dawn of the Dead rectionwise.


Yeah

It’s the sounds that’s really crap. I remember seeing The Shins from the back of the ground floor, and it was a shit experience. But then again, I saw a few bands from the mezzanine/first floor and it wasn’t as bad.

I’ll probably try to get to the front to see Interpol, and hopefully won’t get annoyed with the crowd.


The shins was awful

and Sleater Kinney sounded pants.

The other times I've been I was too drunk..

Bamos, who did we go and see there?

Shit.


that Sleater-Kinney gig

was one of the most disappointing experiences ever (due to the sound, not due to S-K), and I've refused to go to Koko since. But I'm sure I've had other bad experiences there beforehand, I just can't remember them off the top of my head.


i've been there twice and i don't mind it

low and camera obscura (sound was good for both)

mind you, both times I've managed to get a spot right by the balcony.

It's decorated like Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen's worst acid nightmares though.


koko

"It's decorated like Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen's worst acid nightmares though"

lol

It would have been nice to see it when all the new romantics use to go there though!


its all about

that ridiculous hole in the celling.

The only things that really make KOKO good are:

Really, Really Good bands play there.

Its one of the those "lets play a small show in london - lets do it at koko"

Interpol is just another to add to the list of big bands playing the tiny place... recently its seen Bright Eyes, Jarvis' "first" solo gig, Broken Social Scene.......

umm but yeah. Otherwise its a joke

if i didnt live near by, i'd say that the scala would be a much better choice for these gigs (except the bouncers there are actually cunts, and its a bit smaller)


supposed to be seeing slint there

not sure if i'll end up going there, it's got the recipe for being completely underwhelming :(


.

Beer too expensive. Too many cunts in the crowd.


Koko's a fucking arena

compared to pack-'em-in-like-sardines Scala.


the sound is pretty shit

but it's also bloody beautiful!


you either stand at the bottom

and have crap visibility, or you stand on one of the 20 million balconies and have bass-less sound

drinks are unaffordable and entry is generally too expensive

friday gigs end early for club nme, which features a screen with txt msgs projected onto it


it's an alright venue really

it just gets stick cos people like to complain. people complain about all venues, they will find something to dislike about any place.

i saw tv on the radio there too and it was fantastic, even though the crowd did seem a bit too cool to care.

'let the devil in' was just...mindblowing though.