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by freerangefrog
...im sorry?

im in tons of trouble and i need to make amends.
freerangefrog | 01 Mar '05, 12:55 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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bake a cake, a steamed syrup sponge is easy enough to do in the microwave, and it's very nice.

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what did you do? cant really help you if we dont know! :-)

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i have "betrayed her" (my mum)
i was caught lieing.
im "no longer the daughter she loved" and i am "a bitch, a fucking bitch" etc etc.
oh, and im on a budget because i have to pay her back 110£ for money she spent on my for birthday/crimbo.
oh and i dont have a mobile phone because she smashed it up on saturday.
im not even making it up!!

it sucks.

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Jesus. That seems totally extreme. What did you lie about?? That sounds like the kind of thing she will really regret saying later. I reckon a huge bunch of flowers and a home-made sorry card would be good here.

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erm i lied about going to a gig.
oh and how much i saw my boyfriend.
it s really hard to explain but she's pretty messed up and jelous.
i wrote a card- it was 6 pages (front and back) of A4 and i explained all the abd things she's done to me which she conveniently forgets.
i dont know what to do really. i cant give her the card- itll make things worse but on the other hand i need to stand up to her because it isnt really quite right.

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That's it? Hmm. Maybe the way to go is to first smooth things over and make friends with her? Mums love home made things by their little darlings, so a home made card would work I reckon - and flowers stand around for days reminding the person of why you gave them, so flowers are good.
And maybe you could approach the rest of those issues you have when things have returned to some semblance of normailty and you feel like you can have a reasonable conversation with her about it?
This sounds like a horrid situation :-/

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your mum sounds crazy, no lie could be that bad.

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aw man that sucks :(

my mum can get pretty angry sometimes (though not as angry as that) but it usually passes over in a few days. and she says stuff she doesnt mean too, and then apologises for it later. its how people work. no one gets that angry about someone they don't love to pieces.

as for making up for it - well, if she's willing to listen to you maybe you could just tell her how truly sincerely sorry you are and how much you love her? or write a letter or something if she's not listening to you talk? or that cake idea seemed quite good too. sorry, these are pretty rubbish suggestions really!

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no, their good!!

i dunno really. its pretty crappy. right now she wont look at me and if i try and talk to her she tells me to get out her sight.

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Wow

Right, firstly tacky gifts will often get thrown back at your face, believe me. If you are to get a gift then choose carefully.

Seriously though the best way no matter how painful it may be is to have clear the air conversations.
You both are adult's, You are her daughter so she can't ignore you for ever.
Just let both of you voice their concerns without interruption and then if needs be just agree to disagree.

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well i wrote that post before i saw what you'd lied about. its really weird that she's so pissed off over something like that. ya know... i know its not an easy thing to do but maybe you need a long cathartic kind of discussion to get all your grievances and all hers out into the open. just so you can find out why she's so mad about you lying about a gig.

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Without knowing specific details, and if the offerings mentioned don't work, try this,

anger like that is probably also driven by some worry, an explanation of why you lied or felt you had to lie, is often helpful, although there may be other underlying worries fears that she had,
I only say that cos of what I think I would feel as a parent, If you could calm my fear (the fear might not even be for your safety/future it could be about loosing you, interests or /trusts you used to share but which she now feels are dissappearing, new understandings, ways of communicating need to be established, even ones that she/you may feel uncomfortable with at first.

I did not practice this with my mum I hasten to add, I virtually ran away.

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all good advice, i will take it to heart.
the thing is, im really not a really bad teenager. as it goes i do well enough at school. im not a drinker a druggy a ho or such like and mainly i stick around to be a part of her family (i have younger brothers)
she doesnt want me to grow up.
i guess i am sorry, but i wouldnt lie if she wasnt so controlling.
and why ios she controlling? becasue she (has admitted she's jelous) becasue she's a single parent with shit prospects and apparently this isnt fair that i should have a life if she cant. although no ones stopping her except herself.
she's messed up because of the way her mum treated her (similar to how she treats me) and she ran away from home at 19. but the thing is, with her she had older brothers around and her dad and if things got heavy they'd be there.
with me its literally just me to cope with it.

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I'd be tempted just to hit her with the truth. Explain how you think she's jealous and can't accept you growing up. Make it clear that even though the relationship between you has to change, she's not going to lose you. Tell her you understand why she feels like she does, keep reassuring her that she's brought you up well. Tell her that of she keeps this up, she's in danger of becoming like her own mother (be very careful with that one though). All the way through, keep mentioning that she's a good mother and she's done her best and all that.

If need be, shout something completely unreasonable at her to get her attention, then apologise for it and move on to the stuff I've mentioned above.

That all sounds really manipulative, but it sounds to me like she needs to hear some of these things from you.

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Sounds just like my mother - you're not my secret sister are you?

My Mum:
- When I was nine she was standing at the door screaming at me about something, she then burst into tears and said "and then you'll move out and we'll never hear from you again"

- Ignored me, made my life hell, glared at me whenever I spoke to everyone for three days JUST because I wouldn't share a room with my brother, me being 15 and him being 13...AND there being a spare room.

- Beat me up for being offered a position on a tour and eating some mozarella and avacado...despite the fact that my brother ate the majority of it, (he's spoilt and perfect so it doesn't matter), and then I HAD TO APOLOGISE to her for HER making me upset...don't get me started, I still have nightmares.

- Used to sit next to me in the car, sniff and screw her face up, when I asked what was wrong she said "Oh..nothing...nothing" and then she'd do it again.

I think I'd better stop here, you're probably relieved to know I don't want to go on about it anymore.

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oh god. separated at birth i think.. although that doesnt make sense.

i cant even go into it but its so scarily similar.

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By the sounds out it from your perspective anyway it's that your mother is controlling and cannot accept that the little girl that she gave birth to is now becoming a woman.

One way to perhaps solve this is that perhaps she is just scared about losing you, what does she think about you having a boyfriend?
Perhaps her, you and your boyfriend should get together to convince her that you are in safe hands.

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No, my mother just can't accept that I'm not my brother or like my brother.
Perfect, great relationship, good grades in school - in a nutshell, he can do NO wrong.
He's not the family disapointment.

I don't trust my mother with anything, the last time I told her something private she blabbed it to everyone, so the last thing I'm going to tell any of them is that I have a boyfriend - she'd only react very embarrassingly and nastily and I can't deal with that anymore. I'm only 25 and already I feel like I've lived a thousand years.

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Add to that:

Used to dry my hair when I was a child and aimed the dryer directly in my face, despite the fact I'd scream for her to stop, she'd get irritable and say she wasn't doing it - when she was.
I know it's stupid, but I don't even use a hairdryer now.

Put off taking me to a Chiropractor for so long, when I did go I had 48 Verrucas spread out over both feet.

Accused me of making her ill about three or four times.

Was rude to my friends parents, told me who I could have round and who I couldn't according to the dictates of my brother.

I once walked into the kitchen and asked her how she was, replied with a face like a wet festival "Fine thanks". Brother walked in, smile came on her face and you know...let the fun begin.

Okay, now STOP!

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i think your right lanky, i have to talk it out with her otherwise im just gonna end up running away like she did.

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These confrontations can go 2 ways though, would you have somewhere to go if the confrontation turned ugly?

Perhaps some time apart could be good, I know you are only young but perhaps you could stay at your boyfriends, family friends or relatives for a few days so you can both reflect on the state of the relationship.

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S'not really running away when you're 19 is it? it's just leaving home :) good luck ms. frog, let us know it works out, won't you?

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yeh will do. but i dont think i can say anything yet while she's so angry. i need to let her calm down i think or its going to end nastily.

tom- no i dont think i have anywhere to go as i dont know where dad is anymore becasue guess what?
he ran away from mum./ but its not fair becasue i cant run away becasue i dont have a choice becasue im the child.

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I'd agree with Creakyknees, it sounds like you need to reassure your mum. And whatever you do, make her feel she's come out on top, it's likely to soothe her.

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Be prepared though. There will be tears from both of you, and for everything you change about her attitude, she'll change something about yours.

I've had these conversations many times with my Mum, to the point where we now fully understand each other and don't really need to argue or apologise any more.

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the thing is, i want to bring up all the sick things she's done and said becasue i never really forgot them but mum has a tendancy to remember things in a different light to how they were and wont back down becasue she calims to be sure she's right.
i cant let it all go though. i used to be so scared of her and i still am but i just want to grow up now and move on but she wont let me so i have to tell her i guess.

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Just keep telling yourself that she's your Mum and she's got your best interests at heart. If she realises that what she thought was right actually wasn't, then you're getting somewhere.

Maybe just hit her with "I need to make my own mistakes." Tell her she's a stronger and better person because of everything she's been through, and that you'll never be strong unless you can learn the same way. She wants to wrap you up in foam, all mothers do, and that's admirable. But once you've made a few mistakes, been hurt a couple of times, you'll be able to protect yourself.

It's like taking too many antibiotics fucks your immune system. Sometimes you need to go through the sickness.

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i don't understand how she can be so angry, i wouldn't know what to recommend for you to say as i've never experienced anything quite like this. It's pretty extreme and way over the top for her to be acting like she is. hope all goes well, whatever you decide to do Ms.Frog. All the best.

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Might it be time for a bit of wisdom from Philip Larkin?

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

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Not reffering to Philip Larkins Poem, but the bit Lanky said before that seems right enough, you'll both have to do some crying, maybe you will also have to do a bit of tit for tat exchange over misdomaeners you have done to ech other....I think it would be very difficult to swallow a whole list of faults in one go, you would have to take turns to enable you to both see each others points of views.
Remember if you take the lead too much, this may make her feel bad about her 'mothering' point out that neither of you have got 'good examples/experiance' of how these things are meant to work out.

Also be wary about letting her know you aired your woes on the internet , I know its anonymous and we don't know her from 'Adam' but best be careful.

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yeh yeh, im not going to tell her i mentioned this online or anything. but really im not exactly being explicit about anything that has gone on and im not telling hte great long story which i could quite easily paste online right now...
you'v been treated to it though creaky. huzzah you must think.
im off now, adios amigos.

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Good Luck, Hope it all sorts out well :-)

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Yeah, don't say you've spoken to anyone - she'll feel like you're (a) betraying her, and (b) comparing her to other people's Mums.

Be prepared for her to come out with some completely irrational stuff, because motherhood is about as irrational as it gets (hell, women are irrational enough before you throw children into the mix). She will be entirely led by her emotions, so you have to appeal to her on an emotional level, whilst stressing the common sense argument too.

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Hey Frog, I'm very impressed with the way your dealing with this, it can be hard to gain the emotional distance to be understanding and practical and positive. Well done, hope it goes okay XXX

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Sounds to me like shes the one who should be sorry.

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You see Frog...we could be sisters!
Anyway, I hope you work everything out with her. I would suggest that you are civil to her and polite, but if she's anything like mine she'll have dramatics and think you don't care.

Anyone's mother has to be better than the woman with the kid I saw on the bus last night.

(Woman to her small child)
"Stop doing that! Stop fucking doing that! You wanna get HIV? What if that had AIDS on it? You put your hand in your mouth like some fucking one year old, your fucking three, do you wanna get AIDS?"
Kid (in a very small voice, probably wondering what AIDS was): No.
"When we get 'ome your goin' to bed. Fuckin' putting your hands in your mouth"

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That's one fucked up mother. Some people really shouldn't be allowed.

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I felt like telling her as I got off the bus that the child should be in care and she should be in a mental hospital.