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Some words about Slint

Much as I think 'Spiderland' and, to a lesser extent, 'Tweez' are awesome records, after seeing Slint's entire set at ATP and going to the Forum gig tonight I wanted to write a few thoughts about all matters Slint.

1. Slint should not have reformed.
2. They played with no passion and, quite frankly, didn't appear to be enjoying themselves or digging their own rock.
3. They sounded as if they relearnt their songs by listening to their own records and mimicking them exactly.
4. They seemed to be so scared about hitting a single bum note that they fretboard-gazed the entire time.
5. Brian McMahon hardly played any guitar. Now here's a guy who can't sing for shit, yet because he and his band were writing awesome songs and he was playing some great guitar, he just talked/shouted his way through it and it didn't matter. He was never meant to be a guitar-less singer (see point 4 again - who cares, boys? Play like you mean it.)
6. Their shows didn't tarnish their records for me, but neither did they add anything of value to my estimation of the band.

I wanted to be profoundly rocked by Slint, I really did. I wanted to be able to tell my grandchildren (who will no doubt be into cool music) that I saw Slint live and that it was transcendental. I saw Slint live and it was.....meh. Anyone who posts on here saying that they were amazing is either blind, deaf, lying, mad, or doesn't understand what makes bands and live shows great. I walked out of their (ATP-identical) Forum show after five songs. If you'd told me I'd do that when I first heard that Slint had reformed I would have laughed at you. Well I'm not laughing now.


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    I have to say, after all the buildup, I 'quite enjoyed' Slint. It was good to hear the Spiderland songs live and Good Morning Captain was brilliant. But I was more bothered about having a great time and meeting people and talking by the bar than squinting at Slint in silence. Other bands I watched in a similar mood and couldn't drag my eyes away from - Matmos, Mum, Brightblack, Deerhoof, all fascinating and inspired. Slint? Quite good, but not inspired, nope.
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    Yeah. It was nice to see them tonight, and they played the songs well, but it was all a bit clinical. Left me feeling rather ambivalent.
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      i think thats just their STYLE
      every band has its own stage appearance
      and that one is the appearance of the band slint
      they like to look uninterested, cos they are daddies that are coming back to show how its done...so being totally calm actually upgrades their cooldom

      i loved the concert anyways, and i think they rocked my world even more than LOW, which i thought about being my favourite ever band live...

      low rocks your heart...and slint rocks your mind!
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        Gotta agree with weltact, I think a large part of the reaosn they didn't move was just due to their 'style'. As for the sound, I was amazed at how precise they were and how aware they were of dynamics...I really enjoyed it.
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          thats rubbish they were just underwhelming....could they not have said ANYTHING audible to the audience rather than a load of incomprehensible mumbling? is it so uncool to at least say 'thanks for coming out in the pissing down rain to see us for £20???' as much as I still love them I can't say anything other than 'it was alright' about last nights gig......
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            Despite being a huge Slint fan, I didn't bother getting tickets for this reunion tour - mainly due to cash (or lack thereof available to spend) and also because I was worried it wouldn't live up to my love for Spiderland and Tweez... I don't feel so bad about not seeing them now, since I get the impression it was basically like hearing the records. Still, I'm sure I'll regret it in a few days/weeks/months/years...
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              Yeah, I also found it to be a pretty bloodless performance. They all looked like they didn't want to be there and I don't think they did. I think that they were all quite open that Barry offered them such an amount that they couldn't refuse to reform. It was just business.

              But in their defense what else did you expect of them? They haven't been a band for over 13 years- if their hearts were still in it they wouldn't have broken up in the first place. Reunion tours are always shit for that. They're just for suckers like me who were too young or unknowing to see them the first time. Bands like slint were made for living rooms, pubs, garages and not theatres. I bet their performance would have ripped our faces off first time round.
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                I agree with all of you people saying that it was note-perfect but passionless. Some of it sounded breathtaking but it just didn't really connect with me on an emotional level.

                Can someone explain one thing for me - who was who? David Pajo was easily identifyable - but then there were:

                The Drummer (is that Britt?)
                The singer who played a bit of guitar (is that McMahon?)
                The other guitarist who played a tele.
                The bass player

                Who was an original Slint member?
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                  Brian Mcmahon - Guitar Vocals / Britt Walford - Drums Guitar Vocals / Dave Pajo - Guitar / Michael Mcmahon - Guitar / Todd Cook -Bass

                  The bass player and Michael Mcmahon were not in the original line up.

                  Slints first show is up on myspace if you wanna hear how it sounds...

                  http://www.myspace.com/slintlive
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                    Thanks! Do you know whey the original bass players weren't interested?
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                      its funny, Ethan Buckler's (first bassist) band King Kong played at atp, but I imagine he wasn't asked because he left years before spiderland, which is obviously deemed to be the milestone album. I also believe that Dave Pajo played bass on Spiderland and the other guy who was in the band at the time was only so for live purposes..
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                    i thought it was really cool.

                    for alot of bands passion/energy counts for alot and if others had acted like they did i would have been pissed off...

                    But.
                    1. It is Slint.
                    2. I thought - from my position up close - that they were all really, really nervous. I dont think they were trying to be 'cool' i just think they were pissing themselve sto be playing in front of so many people for probably the first time ever...

                    Just a thought like.
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                      I think it was definitely worth seeing them, if just for the
                      "and I MISS YOOOOOOOOOOU!!!" moment...
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                        lets all be honest if they'd run on in spandex and fireworks yelling "Good evening Camber! Are you ready to have your faces mathed off? Yeah! Then lets post rock this fucker, this ones called Nan Ding!" I think we d all be a little surprised.
                        Besides they were well known for being surly buggers the first time round.
                        It sounded great and they are possibly one of the most influential bands of our generation. none of us are.
                        we just whinge about stuff on here.
                        Now what about Pete Docherty. Hes on crack you know.
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                          good point. it's post rock, not punk.
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                          crack you say? I KNEW IT!!!
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                            Err not jumping around is fine. but standing stock still, saying nothing between the songs and squinting at your fretboard as you robotically recreate ten year old songs is not the most interesting thing to watch in the world... several "post-rock" bands managed to play a set at the festival without fire-breathing or fireworks and still be entertaining to watch.
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                              Turbonegro! Turbonegro!
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                              Exactly - I don't think anyone is whinging, just staing their opinions. I know "it's Slint" and they desrve huge respect but all I'd say is that I've left Explosions in the Shy shows feeling more emotionally touched than I felt leaving the Forum last night.

                              I'm sorry if this breaks the "It's Slint" no-criticisms-allowed code but it's honestly how I feel.

                              Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed seeing them last night, the sound/songs was amazing and they are a truly special band, but they just didn't connect with me emotionally as much as I'd hoped.
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                                second that entirely Ianj
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                              but aerial m/papa m and the for carnation performances are exactly the same in terms of stillness, it was exactly what i expected. 80% of mogwai stand still...isn't that part of its reason for being 'post rock' that its not about showmanship, bearing in mind they arrived at the same time as nirvana when everybody else was writing cheap music and perming their hair.
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                                So why reform for a tour? Why not reform to make another record, then? I'd give them more props for that.
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    Poormans june of 44
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      boards of canada once said:

      music is math.
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        I totally agree with this if i'm entirely honest i was failry indifferent and noticing how tired my legs were until they played washer and Good morning, i think it was worth it all just for that but they were the only two that genuinely snet shivers down my spine. It's weird though its true whoever siad it wasnt meant for venues like that, im sure it would've touched me a lot more in a tiny venure but hey, what can you do?
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          apologies for the shocking amount of mistakes in that post.
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            Slint are terribly, terribly overrated & boring....



            *takes cover in large hole*
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              That is one evil looking cat you have, Kleeb.
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                i dont understand this debate really. i thought it was great last night, i loved hearing tunes i only thought id hear on cd's. it wasn't how i expected em to act live, but hey, thats the first tiem ive seen em, they might have been as static as that all those years ago. point is, people can act how they like, there are bands i love that go crackers on stage i.e explosions and ymss and bands i love that dont i.e dirty three, godspeed and mogwai. its horses for courses.
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                  Exactly. Slint were NOT rubbish. The atmosphere was probably better at ATP than at the Forum last night (I went to both), but other than that the shows were pretty much the same. It didn’t help having Bad Wizard as support act, who seem to be universally despised. And for some reason even though it was “sold out” the upstairs seating area was only about 1/4 full. But I do find the criticism on this thread slightly bizarre! Apparently just playing your songs brilliantly is not good enough for some people – they need leaping around, stage banter etc. Which is not the kind of band Slint were/are. Their music is slow, methodical and (mostly) quiet – which is how they performed it. I’m just not really sure what people expected – did they think the heavens would open and Jesus would return to inaugurate the second coming when the band walked onstage? I think there was far too much expectation! They just played their songs – that’s good enough for me! And from what I can tell from listening to bootlegs of their old shows that's all they ever did. I actually talked to Pajo at ATP and he was very concerned that they do a good show so it's not really fair to say that they are just doing it for the cash. And as for Mogwai, Explosions In The Sky etc eliciting a more "emotional" response - I'd argue that they both make music which by design goes for unsubtle emotional manipulation; it's big and dramatic. Slint's music is more subtle. It's for the head as well as the heart - but surely you all knew that from listening to the records...?
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                    That's not what I was saying, though. Read my original post again.
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                  Dude. My gripe has nothing to do with their lack of movement - it has to do with how well I felt they connected with me emotionally. As you know, it sounded awesome, but for me it lacked that emotional connection.

                  Maybe that's part of the design, in which case that's fair enough, but I like it when bands move me.
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              so is tweed
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                im totally with RichardR on this one
                silver mt zion are for example totally emotianl band live, but slint are not, and i never expected them to be

                slint is math
                and theyre fucking good at it!
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                  Well "Math" doesn't necessarily = no passion/emotion. Case in point - The Ed Fitz.

                  I don't think anyone is saying that Slint didn't sound awesome, and congratulations to you for not expecting an emotionally affecting live performance.

                  To me, the whole point of listening to music and seeing a band live is to be emotionally affected, and live, Slint didn't do it for me on that level. I feel way more affected listening to Spiderland on record than I did wathcing them.

                  Yes, I totally appreciate that their music is amazing, intricate and groundbreaking. Yes, they're "fucking good at it" - I didn't say otherwise.

                  I guess some people were expecting a different live experience than the one they got and were a little disappointed - that's fair enough, just as it;s fair enough that you got what you expected and loved it.
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                    I don't agree that Ed Fitz come accross as passionate, you can watch them counting the beats, their moves are as regimented as their music, its almost robotic. You must be disappointed at gigs a lot of the time if you want to be emotionally affected by every band you see.
                    The gig was 10 years too late, and if you'd seen them standing still and playing these songs when they were first written you might have found it a more touching experience..