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The Problem with Pavement

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by frankiegoestostoke
I think the reason I cant get into them is the guys voice, does anyone else think its a bit annoying? Sounds like he used to be in an emo/nu-metal band but decided he couldnt cut it so formed an indie band instead.

Correct me if I'm wrong comrades.
frankiegoestostoke | 10 Mar '05, 22:12 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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You're so wrong it makes wonder why I am even wasting my time answering this post.

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You are wrong.

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How so? I don't get how his voice bears any resemblance to the whiney/backstreet boy croon or the screamy portions of said emo/nu-metal style crap.

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Its hard to say, its just the bell that it rings in my mind. Something about his accent and intonation I guess...

I've obviously crossed some very sacred line by saying this I can see...

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I wouldn't think Pavement fans would get nasty about it. My mate says they remind him of Semisonic and that is a worse insult. Which songs are you listening to in particular?

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Yes, you don't have to like Pavement. But that doesn't make you any less wrong.

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lol well shady lane in particular reminds me of that style of voice.

Dont get me wrong, I quite like them... I certainly dont think they sound like semisonic

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Hey I get it really. I can't force myself to like lots of Sonic Youth cos Kim Gordon's voice and lyrics are so terrible. At least Mr Malkmus writes good words.

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Kim Gordon can be either brilliant or awful. I Love You Golden Blue has absolutely incredible Kim vocals, but Orange Rolls Angel's Spit on Dirty is made intolerable by her horrific attempts. She's really hit and miss. Thurston's vocals are always solid, and I quite like Lee Ranaldo's too although many people seem to hate his songs.

As for Pavement, I'm just currently getting into them and I really like what I've heard. No problem at all with his vocals.

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It all goes back to her yelping 'my friend goo says pee-yoo.' for me. But when she actually sings she's not bad. Lee Ranaldo is great. I like his songs too. Karen revisited is brilliant.

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Not to forget Hey Joni which is one of my favourite SY songs. And Wish Fulfillment. And probably loads of others.

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I thought that too at first, but it's actually "hey you".

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Are you mental? Orange Rolls Angel's Spit is one of her best!

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I agree. It's right up there with 'Kissability'.

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I think Kim's getting better. Her additions to Murray St and Nurse are some of the best songs on those albums.

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You are so wrong that my head actually exploded.
There is no problem with Pavement.

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i have to say that the only way i can even vaguely see your argument is that a lot of nu metal bands and emo bands are yanks, as are SM and spiral stairs. But i dont think that they sound like they should be in either of the afformentioned genres, and to be fair it'd be a case of not being able to cut it as pavement so go and form an emo band, as pavement are far more complex musically (tunings is all i have to say to any doubters).

Also pavement vary quite a lot over their career, try something off Slanted against something off terror twilight.

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check out malkmus' Pig Lib, some of the vocals are far removed from the screamy, 'Vanessa from Queens' in particular.

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Thing is, Malkmus obviously can't sing "properly", but the whole thing about Pavement is that by accentuating their shortcomings, they turn them into virtues. He's a superb vocalist to my mind because of his attention to detail, his charisma and emotional articulacy. If you can find me an emo / nu-metal singer with as much of any of those as Malkmus has I'll eat my (proverbial) hat.


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It's obvious that technically Malkmus isn't a great singer & he sort of half sings/speaks the lyrics in a Lou Reed style. On some of his tunes he does actually sound like Lou. His style is a bit bratty but that is what he is, a smartarse American brat. However that is no bad thing in my book as his vocal delivery lends itself well to the lyrics, particularly the comedy elements. It's a similar thing with Morrissey - he's a good singer that's not in doubt in my mind, but he's a crooner. For me that lends well to the comedy of his lyrics & the despair too, but many people hate his style of singing.

Anyway, as D.C. Berman says (twice!):
"All my favourite singers couldn't sing..."

(Am I the only one here who likes the Silver Jews?)

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Absolutely. His voice is ideally suited to the music his band created. The imperfections just make it all the better. Technically he's less than perfect, but would you rather listen to Pavement or Evanescence?

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No, Silver Jews rule! American Water is me favourite. New album coming out soon with Malkmus and Bob Nastanovich on it. Cannae wait.

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your wrong *drives off*

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The Problem with Pavement....absolutely positively nothing....bloody kids!!

Yeah I fucking love The Silver Jews. Their new albums coming out soon, and by the looks of it, it's gonna be a corker!! Read this:

So we know that a mere reissue of Pavement's Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain isn't enough to fill the gigantic slacker hole that the band's demise left in your life.

However, there is one bright spot-- the Silver Jews are still recording (or is it recording again?), long after their Matador counterpart's demise.

Facts are confirmed by Drag City: Stephen Malkmus, Steve West, and Bob Nastanovich are on board to help David Berman with his latest masterpiece. This piece of news substantiates what rampant rumors have speculated ever since Malkmus posted the following on his website: "Nashville is unseasonably warm-- there are termites in my computer that adds things to the dialog". Not that he's not usually cryptic as hell anyway.

American Water fans everywhere were baffled by everything after "Nashville", but that city, that city conjured up such sweet possibilities. Consider the possible the actual.

The curate's egg that is the indie rumor mill also named Will Oldham as a participant, but, according to Drag City, that mysterious "Bonnie Prince Billy" cannot be nailed down as a collaborator (though we agree with the
mill that he would fit in perfectly). But don't fret-- Mike Fellows, another American Water vet, has been involved, as well as Cassie Berman. The provocative list continues with ex-Jesus Lizard axe handler Duane Denison, Nashville mainstay Bobby Bare, Jr., Bare's (and Olham's, Lambchop's, and Calexico's, for that matter) collaborator Tony Crow, Chicago vocalist/scenester AZITA, and drummer/vocalist Brian Kotzur.

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Yep, I love Silver Jews too, although when I first bought American Water, I thought it was gunk. Then, several months later, I couldn't keep it off the record deck. Wierd!

Really excited about the new one now....

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YES so am i! It almost looked like the unmastered tapes of the new Joos were lost in the fire at Easley McCain sudios, but apparently they are ok - phew! With 3 out of 5 of Pavement playing on the Silver Jews record, and Malkmus having a kid on the way, the lucrative Pavement reunion tour is only a matter of time ;-)

D C Berman's lyrics are brilliant.

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"On the last day of your life, don't forget to die"

I've only got Starlite Walker. Was that the first album?

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I'm with you on this one, his voice does nothing for me, it does annoy me.

I can see if you like them you'd think they were the best thing since ..er....you know....that bread thing, but they leave me completely cold.