So much for the fucking smoking ban, Two pakis already seen smoking at glasgow airport.
Don't all laugh at once, Funny text thought i would share.
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but
they were smoking outside though.
haha the twat
It doesn't even work! Nice one Tomm
O_O
errrm
yeah
not funny. Racist. (Really).
you couldn't smoke inside at airports anyway
so it's double the crap
and their ethnicity isn't really relevant to the joke is it?
surely saying 'two fellas/people/doctors/whatever seen smoking at glasgow airport' would work just as well, if not better because it's a teensy-weensy bit more subtle so you have to think harder to get it.
^
especially
given neither are from pakistan. racist
If they WERE from Pakistan
it would get even more of a stir from this board, I'm sure.
It probably is racist
especially what with them not actually being Pakistani if my memory is correct?
In any case it's not very funny. I enjoy a good tasteless joke but that's just casually racist bullshit with no real joke there.
I generally
find that people who use the word PAKI = racist. Tends to go hand in hand.
Me too.
Especially when, as pointed out, the ethnicity is utterly irrelavent.
and yeah
two of my flatmates are quite casually racist.
one calls the two shops next door to us 'the paki shops'
i hate that word.
my Mum
refers to "Paki Shops" but I think it is generational thing. I know, in all sincerity she has a heart of gold. For 16 year olds to come out with this stuff is... different? Or am I wrong?
well
my flatmate that calls it that is actually 19!
and im 20! do i really seem 16?
fucking hell :(
but yeah, you're right.
He's refering to the original poster dear
is there a more patronising word than 'dear'?
er, no
it depends who says it/how its said
meths calls me it sometimes and i dont find it patronising
er, yeah
Iggy Pop?
yeah
the juxtaposition of 'smoking' and 'airport'
made me think of the 'smoking tickets' gag in airplane!, so i guess some good came of this
'good job'
I'd have laughed if you'd have said
so much for the smoking ban, two persons of Islamic denomination were already seen smoking at glasgow airport, despite pre-existing legislation prohibiting such activity.
but as it is..... RACIST!
LOL
i <3 your version.
Lol
OMG LYNDA LEE POTTER IS ALIVE
wanker
It probably is racist
because the humour is not derived from the race. You can say "people" and it would still work.
On another note, people who have to defend themselves before making a statement annoy me
"I'm not racist but" is the most idiotic start to a sentence ever
i think the use of racist language is a bit of a giveaway
fishplums should ban this cunt
now now vikram
you know DiS doesn't censor racist and dubious racial comment on here.
they have done!
when it's out and out
..
She's right y'know. Most of the time, dubious racial comment doesn't even get acknowledged as being dubious racial comment here.
exactly
there was alcxxk's post pics of your family thread on here and one pic had a black man in it. Cue opportunities for a umber of idiots to say 'wow he's like an oil slick' and 'oh that's the blackest man i've ever seen' Now i'm well aware that inbreeding lowers IQ but really.
In my opinion it does
people are very quick to point out where someone has stepped over the line with racist comments.
see above
people are very slow to point it out on here otherwise the above would be checked. Sly racism has appeared on DiS loads of times and no one says anything. Unless it's absolutely clear. That's probably why the ignorant comments by some go unnoticed. Anyway it's the white users of DiS who mostly suggest things are racist.
doesn't seem people were
very slow pointing it out in this thread.
I honestly can't think of any examples of sly racism that has gone unnoticed on here. Though I see dozen of examples of sexism and snobbery (talking about 'chavs') every day on here.
SIGH
this thread was blatant. I'm referring to this. http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/2154603
the references to someone's family friend who happens to be black are offensive.
hmmm
in an ideal world, the comments being made on that thread aren't really racist, are they?
They're just talking about the fact that you can't see his face in the picture. His skin colour is relevant to what they're talking about and they're not exactly being offensive.
Is wishpig being racist by suggesting somebody 'looks Irish'?
They're offensive
If someone said that to me I'd be quite shocked. Maybe it's not offensve to you but then last time i looked at your profile pic.......that is offensive. OIL SLICK? Blackest man they've ever seen. It's a thread about family members. His colour has nothing to do with anything but is being picked out by a few morons on here. Somebody looking Irish - what on earth are you on about? What's offensive about being told you look irish as opposed to referrig to a person as an oil slick?
p.s
love it that you're telling me whether something directed at someone of the same colour as me should be offensive or not. Actually i'm fuming.
he isn't the same
colour as you
yes he is smartypants
Ever heard of lighting with regards to photography?
let's not be pedantic over this hmm? This isn't Question Time.
why not
I think you're getting het up over something quite innocuous.
And the fact that you have taken it upon yourself to speak for this guy because you think you have something in common with him is pretty presumptuous.
no i'm speaking up for myself
i don't want to see that shit used on here. People referring to people's colour like that. If I had posted family pics in that thread and got that response i'd be horrified and very angry.
i'll disappoint you now
this isn't an argument and nobody is going to win.
I might!
It was misguided at best
now what does that mean
i'm sticking to offensive until someone who is of the same background on here casts their opinion over it. In that case it's going to be a long wait.
so you have to be of the same
background to say whether that's offensive or not? really?
YES
I'm sorry but it ain't going to offend chiaroscuro any time soon. He just likes to intellectualise everything beyond reason. Nor will Devon Malcolm lose any sleep over it but I use this site too and I'd like it to be a bit more welcoming and for people on here to think before they post that stuff
I won't lose any sleep
over it you are right, but I still find it relatively offensive
Fair enough
I can see where you're coming from. Does that mean you're going to reduce your mentions of 'chavs' as well?
i hardly ever mention chavs
as I hardly ever make threads that would include that word. Nor am I a snob.
my mistake then
I thought I had seen that term pop up in quite a few of your posts and as you don't seem to post much it was fairly easy to spot.
My apologies if this is wrong.
Well
I am agreeing that it was offensive, but I am implying that the motive may not have been to be offensive (in the best light)
In all probability it is just offensive. It offends me so Lord knows how you feel
Weren't people
commenting on his colour due to a South African connection of the other people in the pic?
I can see how the oil slick comment could be regarded as offensive
NO
to the first bit and yes that to m is offensive. I remember someone at school saying that sort of thing when I was little and they were rightly reprimanded. It's very ignorant and makes me wonder what else these people who use this kind of terminology needlessly say.
I'd say Yes to the first bit
here's a final point jack
i have seen stuff where i've thought eh? not just directed at black people obviously also asian people too but i'm not going to point it out in every thread it appears in. What's the use?! There's an unfortunate use of terminology on DiS sometimes. I just wish people said 'hang on there's no need to say that. You don't have to accuse people of being racist. Especially since that's a joke on here too.
ok
from my viewpoint I haven't really seen anything along those lines but I suppose I'm not really looking for it or like you said earlier am ignorant to it. Compared to other boards I've seen this site is a beacon of equality.
or something.
compared to the americans
this site is full of saints. I'm not saying DiS is full of racists but there are alot of ignorant dubious comments made, that's all.
"compared to the Americans"?!
I'd say Americans would probably find that offensive, no?
yep
it's not a good thing to say in this situation. Because racism exists, it is likely to make people angry.
What I was saying, is if you take the comment in isolation, it isn't necessarily any more offensive than somebody saying I look like a tablecloth because I'm wearing a checked shirt.
To illustrate: I would feel slightly hesitant, when describing somebody, to make reference to their skin colour. But this isn't because I'm racist or that it's a racist thing to do. In fact it's quite easy way of recognising somebody. It's because referring to skin colour in any way has become associated with racism.
Racism is when somebody's skin colour is arbirtrarily linked to a particular quality or propensity.
like an oil slick?
I realise I'm going to sound
incredibly pedantic here, but no, it isn't an arbitrary connection.
I just want to qualify, I'm in agreement that the comment was silly and misplaced. I don't think it was racist though.
ok
O F F E N S I V E doesn't spell racistand I told you it was offensive. Is that ok? Got it now? Plus in fact you're takng up the cause of some ignorant morons on that thread presuming you have something in common with them. Touche.
I'm not taking up their cause
you are now using logic that could be considered 'offensive' - you're lumping me into the same category as them just because I disagree with you.
In a rush to be right
you misunderstand me. You are interpreting their comments, not aligning yourself with them. Isn't it presmptous to suppose what they meant in posting that stuff in the first place? I also never said anything about you disagreeing with me meaning you are a) racist b) in any category. I take you as I often find you - over-intellectualising a debate in order to come out as a) intelligent b) superior c) right.
can we go now?
I'm not interpreting their comments
If you mean to say I'm trying to say anything about their motivation, I'm not. I'm not trying to say anything about what they may or may not have meant. I'm just referring to their comments as pieces of text.
Oh for fuck's sake. I am so fucking sorry I 'overintellectualise'. What an arrogant bastard I am for having a point of view that I'm willing to stand up for, and that I'm keen to ensure is coherent before expressing it. Now you are actually being offensive.
NO i'm not
chill out.
You seem to have found a cause and ran with it. While it may be coherent and you may be standing up for something you believe in though what it is I'm am not sure of, its relevance to my complaint on here is arguable. As far as i've seen you have interpreted what was said. You don't know what their intention was in using that text yet you proceed to tell me it isn't offensive regardless of my opinion which I feel I am qualified to give in thi instance. Cue rounds of you telling me not to be offended, me telling you why I am which was very clear to understand and then you deciding that blinding people with science i always a good way to wn an argument and going off on a tangent about homosapiens and how we're all the same blah blah. But aren't you just saying ou also disagree with people being referred to by race/colour?
I think you just made a simple debat complicated and this is something I think you are prone to doing on here. It's hardly offensive though or maybe you're just used to people conceding you are right about everything. In that case, Awww sorry you're right about everything mr. scuro. Now we can go.
I was trying to make a point which I see as important
that by mentioning the other thread in a discussion about racism, you were conflating two issues which I see as being subtly different, i.e. referring to somebody's skin colour vs. making moral judgements about somebody based on their skin colour. Also I was taking issue with the fact that you are presuming to speak for the guy in the photo because you think you are the same 'colour'/'race' as him, and suggesting that this whole idea is ultimately unhelpful. Sorry if you think this is overcomplicating the issue or irrelevant. I don't.
You were implying that I'm arguing for the sake of it, or just because I'm bothered about being 'right'. I get this a lot. It strikes a nerve. Sound familiar? Look, you're doing it again. Way to have a grown up discussion. Yes, having an argument that is coherent and making a point that you think is important is quite edifying, but it isn't the only reason I do it.
sigh
I really don't want to keep going in circle psychoscuro.
That was how you saw it but maybe not how the original poster meant it.
I did not say I spoke for anyone but myself when I said I found it offensive. Where did I ever say it was offensive to the man in the photo or that I was speaking for him. It never happened.
For all your protestations me and the man in the photo are of the same race.
The homosapien inclusion was irrelevant to this debate as was your need to dredge up all your anthropological knowledge.
You are bothered about being right though it's not said because I wish to belittle or aggravate you. It's my observation of you as a poster/person on here.
YOU LIKE BEING RIGHT FULL STOP. I think you made points, some valid but on this issue of the intent behind the words in that thread you are in the dark. Yes you did try to interpret them and I cannot reiterate this enough.
Now let's just disagree and live our lives knowing we hate each other.
I am going to call a halt to this now
because we are talking past each other and you have resorted to flinging accusations of duplicity at me rather than engaging with my argument.
Summations please.
So I can understand it and then decide a winner.
it does seem a bit weird for someone to be shocked
(enough to mention it) by the shade of someones skin colour
by pointing it out in that way he is kind of implying that there is something abnormal about it
they said
he looks like an oil slick, now to you there's no meaning in this but to me there is ok? We come from different backgrounds, different life experiences. Have you ever experienced racism? I've even been called racist names that aren't usually used to refer to black people.
It's fine to refer o someone as a black/white whatever person. Everyone does that but people could think about connotations and context a little more.
I guess we all have a point.
exactly
how the fuck can't people see there's something degrading about being called 'as black as an oil slick' or 'you can't see his eyes!'?
it obviously wasn't a statement of fact, there was intention there and it was insensitive and stupid and there was absolutely no need.
on a similar point, i'm sick of people making sly "jokes" about south africans. it may just be an injoke between a few posters and starshaped, but that's no reason to be horrifically offensive about someone else's background or culture. do it in pm or something, yeah?
I'm not sure
that has really happened, and 'horrific'? Are you sure?
yes.
Slight exaggeration
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/horrific
no, that's how i feel about it.
as you were