is that you choose to pay however much you want to download it! LOLZ AT ITUNES. LOLZ.
good work radiohead. and £40 isn't toooo much for that nice box considering all the extras, special things and the fact that its postpaid worldwide.
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yes yes yes
the pictures of the box are so, so beautiful. I might have to scrape together all my pennies for it.
this new made my day. and got me out of bed on time
No, it is a lot of money
Until I own it I'd be hard-pressed to say if it's tooooo much but frankly, much as I love Radiohead, I think there's going to have to be a fuck load more than what I've seen listed to make it worth that.
Shellac give away the CDs with the vinyl and I'd guess Radiohead will ship a fuck load more copies than Shellac's last LP.
And you pay pretty reasonable postage prices from Dischord, don't you?
Nope, this is clearly a rip-off.
off the official website
thats £40 inc postage
two vinyls. two cds. loads of other stuff.
the fact you can get the album for free anyway aswell on download.
i wouldnt call it a rip off.
Perhaps you didn't read my post?
For example, £40 would get me the quadruple vinyl remaster with extras of Sonic Youth's daydream nation, including postage and some change.
It would also pay for a double vinyl and single CD release by the White Stripes of their last album, plus postage and you'd probably still have about a tenner's change.
£40 including worldwide postage? Oh well that's okay. The £3 it costs to send to London from Oxford is offset by some guy in Tonga who wants a copy shipped out there?
the physical copy is certainly a rip off
maybe Radiohead are making some statement about the nature of the physical format compared to the digital, maybe they're just trying to recoup some of the losses from the percentage of listeners who'll happily pay nothing for the download. Either way the physical format is a rip, and perhaps a conscious effort to take advantage of their more fanboyish audience
You have to commend them for the innovation but i'll certainly be just downloading the bugger (and will probably pay them a few quid)
well publishing
is extremely expensive, so if that book is decent it will have cost them quite a bit to do, and production of vinyl to a high standard is also an expensive process, so considering this is self produced I dont think its actually that extortionate. but yes, they should have different postage amounts for different countries.
Stop trying to justify it for them.
It's overpriced. Very high profit margin.
Will I buy it? Yeah, I'm sure I will.
But that doesn't mean I don't still think it's a rip.
and they should
also just sell the CDs seperately. i don't want it on vinyl.
Someone sane
Amen.
So it IS
real then yeah?
seeing as radiohead.com redirects to that site now?
cos i'm not paying for anything until i'm sure.
I can't get if for some reason
I added it to my bart/basket type thing but now its not there and I can't add it again. Grrrr
i'm not sure i get it
why can't i just buy it on a CD?
bEcaUSe iT's radiLOLh3adz
right?
my money says
there'll be a 'normal' cd at some point.
hopefully
while i applaud both the download idea and the big nice old box thing, neither are really what i want and this is slightly frustrating as a result.
This really.
I have the first versions of Kid A and Amnesiac but both were the same price as the rest when they were released.
If they hadn't been I'd have probably stuck with the normal CD version.
i'm quite excited
about drooling over my discbox. I bet it's pretty.
still not as bad as this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6949435.stm
also
it's so old-song-tastic. reckoner! nude! up on the ladder! ace.
okay
has anyone else tried to buy it yet? The site's shit. It failed to register me, then when I tried again it said I was already registered. Then I logged in no problem. Then when I clicked to pay it took me straight through to a page saying 'your basket is empty'.
annoyingly i used my home e-mail so I can't check until later whether I've actually bought the thing or not.
ho hum.
I haven't tried to buy it, no.
Unless that postage includes a guaranteed next day delivery I'm going to be on a plane to Australia on Friday evening so it could be a MAJOR fucker if it was late.
I just tried and it went fine
Sorry.
I was using Opera 9
I'm on IE
at work. Will have a look when I get home. No money's gone out yet anyway.
I ordered it last night at a cost on £0.00
They didn't ask for bank details, and I used my Mum's address just to be on the safe side. Sorry Mum.
my student loan comes through tomorrow
that diskbox will be mine. MINE.
Last time they resurrected an old song we got the Kid A version of Motion Picture Soundtrack
Hmm.....................
So this is very much a hear it and then make a decision sort of thing, I reckon.
Are Radiohead taking the piss?
The site doesnt work. Is it some sort of shit hoax?
Works for me.
I just bought the download
for a fiver... can't be assed to pay for vinyl. Hopefully the CD will come out at some point on its own
whats the minimum
you could have paid?
zero, plus 45p transaction fee
I've got a decent job so it would have felt rude to take the piss, but maybe I'm a mug!
.
We've just been talking about this in the very loooooooooong Monday morning marketing meeting. My mind was mainly focused on buying a new ipod after mine decided to go for early morning dip in the toilet!
It's very true that only a band with a rabid fanbase could have conceived this with view to actually executing it and I agree that (certainly in the UK) only Radiohead could do this.
But it is a big risk with such a high retail price, but there will certainly be enough fans out there willing to pay the £40 to justify this type of release.
Ok, they may have cut out the industry completely and that's a risk only a 'superstar' band could take. No one else could afford to do so in order to promote, market their work successfully.
However, at the end of the day, it's got to be a good record. The proof as they say, will be in the pudding.
If I was a die hard RH fan and I bought this great collection for £40 then the record was not up to usual standards then I'd be disappointed.
If it was any other band I'd be tempted to say that they're polishing a turd. But in all probability it's time for the RH fans to lube themselves up once more!
i reckon thats why theres such a big wait between download and physical
all fans will d/l it and listen to it for ages before theyre even allowed to buy the record, so tehres no chance that anyone will buy it having not heard it, so no one can be disappointed
Morals
Would it be frowned upon to purchase the box set, and bearing in mind it isn't shipping until the third of December, to then download the album for free from the site?
of course not
you get the download
on the day it comes out if you buy the box set.
hmm
you get the download with the discbox
Why not
download for free on the 10th, then buy the box set if you like the album?
i've just pre-order my download for
the grand total of £0 and £0 pence.
way to
beat the system.
hahaha
I am a mug!
me too
did anyone else get the feeling when typing in their details that they would be on a future radiohead artwork along with a big list of all the other people who paid nothing and ripped them off like evil george bushites?
i hope!
My name will be on a RH album!
last night i went to a DIY punk show
that i didnt really want to go to, and that i'd help set up anyway, and they were so liek anarcho
that they let people pay however much they said they could afford up to £5
and i only had £2 on me so i paid that, and instead of just putting a cross on my hand, they wrote CHEAPSTER in massive letters on my hand in marker pen.
this is relevent?
The Deal
To put the "deal" Radiohead are offering in perspective, from an American's point of view, $80 would ordinarily buy about 6 CDs. Ripoff...
Haha
I just heard there's a rumour if you don't value it enough to pay at least a fiver they give you the whole thing backwards
how would
anyone know that given that it isn't coming out until 10th October?
I dunno
leaked information from someone who works on it?
or
complete and utter conjecture from some internet windup merchants?
Yep probably
funny though
Also illegal
well you get
2 cds, 2 high quality vinyls, a hardcover book, all boxed, and made to order and INCLUDING postage worldwide... surely that can compete with 6 cds? What you lose out from the bad exchange rate you probably get back in the free shipping.
They're doing this label-less now too, surely that's pushing the production prices up.
This isn't really an argument for it
It's like going to your local corner shop to buy in your food shopping at twice the cost of Tesco because it's your local shop.
What are you achieving? Fuck all.
you could use the same arguement
in dimished form for why you bothered releasing a 7" of your band (or any band) when you could just stuck the same songs on a cd-r in a bin liner and charged 50p for it.
This looks like it's going to be an expensive to make object. Hopefully it's going to look ace and be a pleasure to own - like any lavishly produced book/record/other should be, never mind the music on it.
I reckon if they've stuck a £10 markup on top of that to cover the costs of making the album in the first place that's not entirely unfair.
HOWEVER, i do find it slightly daft that they've put the vinyl and cd in one package and that a cut price version isn't available (yet).
I reckon I'll enjoy owning this in years to come, like I'm please I have the special versions of the last 3 albums.
Hopefully the music will be good too.
That's a spurious comparison with my band or your band
I think the markup on our vinyl is something like 20p and that's only to make it a nice round number. In fact at the postage rate I was charging I think we end up out of pocket but there you go.
If we sold the 7" for £10 I'm sure there would be people who'd still feel like they should pay that as they were our friends and we'd gone it alone, etc.
That isn't an excuse for that price, though. It's still a ripoff.
the point was
that you chose to make something nice at the expense of cheapness/accessibility. which I applaud.
this is what they've done. but from their position they've now got to make a living off it off their own backs and (presumably) pay some other people's wages too. I actually reckon they're probably not coining it in much from this package - I'd be amazed if they were really marking it up by £10. given the amount of studio time that's gone into it and everything else. It's probably a labour of love.
for a start
you probably have to drive to tescos...though thats probably less true nowadays.
I was assuming that you lived somewhere 'non-savage' where they were as close as each other
I think it's a good model
people who don't care about music won't consume it as a corporate commodity (it will be free) and people who do care will pay monies directly to the artist
what's the problem?
oh I see, you're basing market value on the OLD model
music is free or expensive from now on
Not at all. I'm talking about the romanticism of the individual
applied to the capitalist state whereby someone implies that something is worth more money purely because it has an artistic/mystical/historical sense to it.
Essentially Tesco will have everything the corner shop has at a cheaper price so buying from the corner shop just to be 'anti-corporate' while claiming the local community is suffering without said shops is a bit perverse.
Similarly, saying that it's right that it's so expensive because it's Radiohead and they aren't using a label, etc. yadda yadda yadda and therefore we should just not question the price is silly.
It's more expensive than it should be and they could get a label helping them out and so provide more jobs for people who actually work for a living as well as unfortunately paying fatcat businessmen but that's by the by.
Like I say, I've bought it. That doesn't mean I'll just say "yeah, that's a good price because it's Radiohead. NO LOGO! YEAH DUDE, FUCK THE COPORATIONS! LET'S BURN DOWN THE MASTERCARD BUILDING!"
use value/exchange value
I started a thread on this topic just now
but I'll just say that the individual does make a difference
I'd say that a fiver for the James Blunt album is overpriced
I dunno, there is definitely a change afoot in the industry
maybe discuss it here
http://drownedinsound.com/articles/2447310
i think the discobox is aimed at yr hardcore fan innit
like, um, me.
who buys all the singles, and formats if there are nice things on them and spends
oh
about £40 on the album cycle. over three singles and that
it is a ton of cash
but
and here is the science bit
a. it looks lush
b. it will hold its value should you choose to eBay it
c. you dont have to buy it,
d. you can get the download if you are not arsed about the lushness of the artefact for bugger all, or near offer
So I say
Yes, Radiohead. Good plan.
That is premium product in excelsis.
It is art.
And it is a commitment to making something worth buying
I expect a regular CD will pop out soon enough.
And isnt it fun that an album release becomes a bit of an event?
spot on
^^
most of this.
here we are
http://www.nme.com/news/radiohead/31462
last line - they're planning a 'traditional' cd release next year. so download it for free now and stop whining til then.
ha!
i get into work and find an email baout this!! I can't wait to hear it, i will certainly get the box when i comes out, seeing as how i have pretty much everything else since '94, and i have no problems with downloading it for free, so i will be. W00P!!
I want to argue
how much of a rip off this is because I dislike radiohead so much, but I recently paid £45 for the new mount eerie book/2 song vinyl and that was worth every penny, so I cant really talk
Radiohead
would have to pay me a lot of money to make me listen to their new album...
people of DiS!!
i implore you, please refrain from paying anything for the download! We need to be shown up as the callous, irresponsible music absorbers we are, or else "THE INDUSTRY" might take this as a precedent and start to do it more often, passing on their gratitude to the "real fans" by increasing the prices of the physical formats further still
Please DiS, keep your credit cards within their dusty sheaths. It's the only way they'll learn!
Will it be released on a bog-standard CD?
I don't want to spend £40 on the box, but I'd rather have a physical copy than pay for a download.
the cd will be out a few months later
check out pitchfork for the latest update
Yeah, basically, im buying the box when I can
plus you can always just burn a copy if you want.
just read that other thread I went a bit mental in last night.
A lot of albums are
leaked a month and a half before they are in the shops. Radiohead are kind of getting some people to pay for a leak and then charging a massive amount to hardcore fans, which number quite a few, without any money going to the record company shareholders that thom was so whining about before? They wont appear on album charts, music channels, many radio stations, and therefore will finally not have the media attention on them (like they wanted when they released kid a.) On the other hand, Radiohead hardly appeal to a generation that laps up Hard Fi, Kaiser Chiefs etc, and will most likely only appeal to big, and adult, fans, that will pay the £40 anyway.
But Im a big fan, and am not cynical, so they are like totally revolutionary in what they are doing.
I paid £2
plus transaction fee (roughly the price on emusic), and bought a Radiohead South Park gig T-shirt (happy memories), from WASTE...not sure if I'll get the box set, I'm a bit constrained for space at the moment.