What does it even mean though? If anyone can tell me what post hardcore is I would be interested. What the feck have Isis got to do with hardcore really? I don't get it.
I was don't worry about it. I just don't get why guitars that go 'clang' have anything to do with angles. Or being spiky. Maybe my imagination is just crap.
To be honest I've never had any problem making sense of any genre apart from 'emo' - mainly because it doesn't seem to have a strongly defining point to it.
Angular guitars are ones that have a lot of sharp notes to them, rather than a soft muzzy sound, do you see? It's like using the language to describe something. It's an interesting concept they occasionally use in books...
Post-xxxx is a good phrase. It generally means "better and more interesting than XXXX". ie.
Post-Rock: Not the clichéd dull unimaginative thing rock is but sticking to many of its ideals.
Post-Punk: Not the clichéd dull unimaginative thing punk is but sticking to many of its ideals.
Post-Hardcore: Well I don't know about this one. Given Fugazi pretty much define hardcore I can't see how it could get any better...
Obviously I don't want to start going on about what punk is, but Wire are and were an interesting punk band. Deerhoof are an interesting rock band. All of these genres (including the post- ones) are full to the brim with dull, unimaginative shite, but if you look I think you'll find brilliant stuff in every possible genre.
Yeah, of course you can get crap in all categories but it's still true that a post-xxxx band will be more likely to interest me than an xxxx band.
And so the description has served its purpose. It's not about 'good' or 'bad' - that's about individual quality. If you saw a band night advertising itself as 'Good Bands' that tells you less than nothing.
I wasn't actually having a go at you personally with the book reading thing, it just gets on my tits when people go on about how we shouldn't categorise music. It just misses (a) the way the human brain works naturally and (b) that these categories are there broadly to tell you if a band is the sort you might like.
Hence you categorise and describe things in ways that you hope make sense to other readers. If someone said "there'll be three good bands on tonight" or someone said "there'll be a post-rock band, a kind of post-punk one and a slightly weird rock band with angular guitars", it's not a great description but a sound can't really be described. It still tells me about 10000% more about what's going to be playing than saying there are three good bands.
I don't disagree with you. I must be more pessimistic. If I get a flyer or whatever advertising a post-rock band I definitely get a couple of mp3s first. Such is the wonder of the internet.
I generally have no clue how to describe half the bands we put on.
Like Charlottefield (who are playing at the LSE tonight, incidentally, i'm not plugging my own gig for a change), how the bloody hell are you supposed to describe charlottefield? I just had to do a listing for them and it's impossible. LOUD AND BLUDDY GREAT doesn't cut it with the listings.
That's the kind of situation where useless phrases like post-something and angular get thrown around.
Use of the word angular reached new heights yesterday when yet another band described their spiky pub rock as angular art noise. The band are crap like most bands are, jumping a bandwagon when they really are not suited to that style. Stick to your chubby post Oasis chords guys, leave the angles to other people. I love Wire by the way but only the first two albums.......
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It's like, totally, nu-post-emo-core
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my gran likes 'angular'
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thats what gran told me anyhoo
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Angular guitars are ones that have a lot of sharp notes to them, rather than a soft muzzy sound, do you see? It's like using the language to describe something. It's an interesting concept they occasionally use in books...
Post-xxxx is a good phrase. It generally means "better and more interesting than XXXX". ie.
Post-Rock: Not the clichéd dull unimaginative thing rock is but sticking to many of its ideals.
Post-Punk: Not the clichéd dull unimaginative thing punk is but sticking to many of its ideals.
Post-Hardcore: Well I don't know about this one. Given Fugazi pretty much define hardcore I can't see how it could get any better...
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I like to lump music into two main categories:
Good (incorporating 'interesting')
Bad (incorporating 'boring')
Obviously I don't want to start going on about what punk is, but Wire are and were an interesting punk band. Deerhoof are an interesting rock band. All of these genres (including the post- ones) are full to the brim with dull, unimaginative shite, but if you look I think you'll find brilliant stuff in every possible genre.
Except maybe acid jazz. Yeuch.
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i fookin love wire
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And so the description has served its purpose. It's not about 'good' or 'bad' - that's about individual quality. If you saw a band night advertising itself as 'Good Bands' that tells you less than nothing.
I wasn't actually having a go at you personally with the book reading thing, it just gets on my tits when people go on about how we shouldn't categorise music. It just misses (a) the way the human brain works naturally and (b) that these categories are there broadly to tell you if a band is the sort you might like.
Hence you categorise and describe things in ways that you hope make sense to other readers. If someone said "there'll be three good bands on tonight" or someone said "there'll be a post-rock band, a kind of post-punk one and a slightly weird rock band with angular guitars", it's not a great description but a sound can't really be described. It still tells me about 10000% more about what's going to be playing than saying there are three good bands.
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Like Charlottefield (who are playing at the LSE tonight, incidentally, i'm not plugging my own gig for a change), how the bloody hell are you supposed to describe charlottefield? I just had to do a listing for them and it's impossible. LOUD AND BLUDDY GREAT doesn't cut it with the listings.
That's the kind of situation where useless phrases like post-something and angular get thrown around.
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