Also: Every single song released from Jan 1 1980 to December 31 1989 is a crime on the level of the Holocaust and Stalin's purges rolled into one. I blame the reverb snare.
this is the thread of opposites, dude, if you think The Beatles suck, you say 'the were the greatest' and if you think music made after 1980 is generally not worth bothering with, you diss pre-1980 stuff!
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
I wouldn't say rubbish, I would say dull though. Well what I have heard anyway.
You have to remember that technology has move on a lot since then. Bands now have more sounds to experiment with and be creative.
Some bands unfortunately chose not to, but there are more options.
Just in case anyone was wondering, I wasn't agreeing with kurtrussell! The fact that I think pre 80s music is dull is just representative of my music taste.
Can't say it's all rubbish though unless you have listened to everything since music began.
yeah...he is obviously taking the piss, but the people agreeing are fucking hilarious
"You have to remember that technology has move on a lot since then. Bands now have more sounds to experiment with and be creative"
This retarded pair of sentences sound sort of like an explanation for why so many less good songs are written today, compared to the sixties/seventies! Fuck writing a good song, we can just go bloop! WHEEE!
I never said that better songs are written today. There is simply more potenial sounds for bands to experiment with, potential being the operative word. A lot of bands still write bland samey sounding music though. The vast majority of bands I dislike or just find boring pre 80s or current.
Why are those sentences retarded, I think you missed the point?
I didn't say that you said better songs are written today, I was interested in the idea that the thing you think is good about modern times/making music, is the thing that I think is bad about it
All the gear/equiptment is too accessible for me now. Way back in prehistory, if you wanted phasing, you synced up two taperecorders, and moved one in and out of sync. Now you just buy a pedal or use the same plug in that every other fucker uses, and it sounds exactly the same as every other fucker using a phaser. It's shit. I kinda like the restrictive nature of old gear. That stuff inspires a lot more creativity than off the shelf 'sounds'
It's true that the accessability of equiptment can restrict diversity. However I think overall it's a positive thing, if the band is good enough they can use their equiptment to create their own overall sound. One aspect of their music may sound similar to the same aspect of another band but that can always happen. I suppose you're saying that it makes some bands lazy in a creative sense and they simply buy the sound.
Yeah, that is what I'm saying. I mean, I've lost count of the threads on here where people want to know what fuzz pedal guitarist A uses, or want people to recommend a flanger etc. Not to blow my own trumpet, but cos I'm influenced by sixties geeks who cobbled shit together, when I want a fuzz sound on a recording, I link a couple of preamps together and distort the fuck out of them, and it sounds like the end of the world, not like a Boss DS-1 ;)
"One aspect of their music may sound similar to the same aspect of another band but that can always happen"
Well, NOW it can, yes, because there is so much stuff available, but in 1965 there was shit all available, so bands had to sink or swim by their songwriting, and their performance. There wasn't the same level of studio trickery available as there is today, bands generally set up, ran through once or twice, overdubbed a lead vocal, and that was it. None of this spending a day on a drum track which is gonna end up chopped to pieces in protools anyway...and when you chop a drum track up and put it in time, you're pretty much removing any personality or individuality the performance would have had. You may as well use a drum machine. Now multiply that by the whole band! I've been into the studio with a guy who literally moved each note of my bass part visually on the screen, so the notes were on the exact same beat as a fucking click track.
THAT is what the potential you're talking about has been reduced to. Cleaning the fuck out of everything 'because we can'
So you like the music to sound like how it's supossed to, how it was actually performed by the band. Surely live performances are a much better indication of a bands abillity today then. You can't edit a live performance.
I didn't say that at all. I'm all for studio trickery, but I think there needs to be imagination behind it, not just bunging a load of standard effects on something because it's available to you.
were terrific bands. I would certainly hope one the five tune you refer to is the formers "To cut a long Story Short" and shurley "Club Tropicana" by Wham is a classic... or are you just being provocative?
But in fact, I think music sort of died in the 80s.
It seems to me like the time when everyone realised everything had been done, and it was time to just start playing with 'state of the art' technology to make music.
The 80s make me feel sick. The 90s make me feel unhappy, apart from the Verve and Oasis and a bit of Pulp here and there.
Wow, yes, Oasis are the best thing since the 80s. Or possibly the worst!
Sorry it had to be said, someone was going to sooner or later. You are probably immune to it by now though.
I'll be the first to admit my 'knowledge' of 80s/90s music is tiny. But on the whole, they were two awful decades for someone who likes his drums without reverb, his films old and lovely and his clothes thin.
i totally agree
bf
No question about it. This is a fact
if it weren't for the beach boys
id totally agree
bf
but what about The Beatles man! They are the best band that have ever been! Their lyrics definitely aren't rubbish
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The Beatles suck.
The Motown repertoire on the other hand...
Also: Every single song released from Jan 1 1980 to December 31 1989 is a crime on the level of the Holocaust and Stalin's purges rolled into one. I blame the reverb snare.
bf
this is the thread of opposites, dude, if you think The Beatles suck, you say 'the were the greatest' and if you think music made after 1980 is generally not worth bothering with, you diss pre-1980 stuff!
keep up!
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I've had it up to here with yer RULES!!
That means you like them
I hate this thread
Stealthy rules
I also like one television song
and maybe three neil young songs. Thats it.
i hope you're joking
otherwise this is probably the most retarded thing that's ever appeared on DiS
sorry, my bad. Remove the "probably" from that sentence
some people don't deserve ears
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
bf
Don't mention Pearls Before Swine, dude...don't want none of that sixties shit here. Remember: bad lyrics, bad production, boring.
oops.
plus, they put stuff out on a jazz label. jazz! what's WITH that?
where's bobby?
so's yer face
Include the 80s in that statement
and I'd agree. Kinda. Just not interested in it.
yeah
that statement wasn't sweeping enough
bf
you've got to wonder what the point of a thread like this is, really. Attention seeking?
some people are just
truly ignorant/stupid
Yes they are Jamie.
Yes they are.
obvs
Kurt is a legendary wag
who could forget his "OMG i just won the lottery thread"? JAPESVILLE
and his boo hoo i don't have a foot thread.
classic.
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And Big Trouble In Little China. Classic flick.
thats a really really dumb thing to say
are you joking?
i hope so...
have you even heard every note of music made before the 80s...the jazz from the 30s, 60s girl groups, crazy dances from medievil times????
You are talking: complete rubbish
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I wouldn't say rubbish, I would say dull though. Well what I have heard anyway.
You have to remember that technology has move on a lot since then. Bands now have more sounds to experiment with and be creative.
Some bands unfortunately chose not to, but there are more options.
Seriously!
The 80s had post punk, bowie, talking heads etc etc etc
COME ON! THIS IS A NO BRAINER
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No brainer = Pretentious neon garbage.
How cant you like talking heads?
Joy division?
COME ON
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Because they are hipster bullshit.
King crimson?
Nothing? An entire decade: derided.
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King Crimson were good in the 70s. They went ubershit in the 80s. But in the 90s became good again.
That's because the 80s were the worst decade of all time.
Trut So Pure.
People making serious responses - pretty funny?
Nope
good opportunity to talk about good 80s music. I've listened to "dancing in the dark" about 50 times today.
no
people agreeing with him - fucking hilarious?
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Just in case anyone was wondering, I wasn't agreeing with kurtrussell! The fact that I think pre 80s music is dull is just representative of my music taste.
Can't say it's all rubbish though unless you have listened to everything since music began.
bf
yeah...he is obviously taking the piss, but the people agreeing are fucking hilarious
"You have to remember that technology has move on a lot since then. Bands now have more sounds to experiment with and be creative"
This retarded pair of sentences sound sort of like an explanation for why so many less good songs are written today, compared to the sixties/seventies! Fuck writing a good song, we can just go bloop! WHEEE!
............
I never said that better songs are written today. There is simply more potenial sounds for bands to experiment with, potential being the operative word. A lot of bands still write bland samey sounding music though. The vast majority of bands I dislike or just find boring pre 80s or current.
Why are those sentences retarded, I think you missed the point?
bf
I didn't say that you said better songs are written today, I was interested in the idea that the thing you think is good about modern times/making music, is the thing that I think is bad about it
All the gear/equiptment is too accessible for me now. Way back in prehistory, if you wanted phasing, you synced up two taperecorders, and moved one in and out of sync. Now you just buy a pedal or use the same plug in that every other fucker uses, and it sounds exactly the same as every other fucker using a phaser. It's shit. I kinda like the restrictive nature of old gear. That stuff inspires a lot more creativity than off the shelf 'sounds'
Old music isn't dull. www.myspace.com/bunkerhill
I reserve my right to make a little dig for saying that, despite your proviso that no one can hear everything ;)
Yeah
It's true that the accessability of equiptment can restrict diversity. However I think overall it's a positive thing, if the band is good enough they can use their equiptment to create their own overall sound. One aspect of their music may sound similar to the same aspect of another band but that can always happen. I suppose you're saying that it makes some bands lazy in a creative sense and they simply buy the sound.
bf
Yeah, that is what I'm saying. I mean, I've lost count of the threads on here where people want to know what fuzz pedal guitarist A uses, or want people to recommend a flanger etc. Not to blow my own trumpet, but cos I'm influenced by sixties geeks who cobbled shit together, when I want a fuzz sound on a recording, I link a couple of preamps together and distort the fuck out of them, and it sounds like the end of the world, not like a Boss DS-1 ;)
"One aspect of their music may sound similar to the same aspect of another band but that can always happen"
Well, NOW it can, yes, because there is so much stuff available, but in 1965 there was shit all available, so bands had to sink or swim by their songwriting, and their performance. There wasn't the same level of studio trickery available as there is today, bands generally set up, ran through once or twice, overdubbed a lead vocal, and that was it. None of this spending a day on a drum track which is gonna end up chopped to pieces in protools anyway...and when you chop a drum track up and put it in time, you're pretty much removing any personality or individuality the performance would have had. You may as well use a drum machine. Now multiply that by the whole band! I've been into the studio with a guy who literally moved each note of my bass part visually on the screen, so the notes were on the exact same beat as a fucking click track.
THAT is what the potential you're talking about has been reduced to. Cleaning the fuck out of everything 'because we can'
..........
So you like the music to sound like how it's supossed to, how it was actually performed by the band. Surely live performances are a much better indication of a bands abillity today then. You can't edit a live performance.
bf
I didn't say that at all. I'm all for studio trickery, but I think there needs to be imagination behind it, not just bunging a load of standard effects on something because it's available to you.
Grockle
I think I <3 you.
LOL
^
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Funny that you should make exactly the same logical fallacy he did then.
bf
I'm not sure what you mean
,
I was giving you credit.
however:
Yes
King Crimson
Rush
Simon & Garfunkle
xxx
bf
are you on his side?
what does
bf mean?
bf
bonbon fuhrer
Really?
I'm saying that the above bands are infact good.
bf
Yeah, I know...I was being cheeky- cos of the hot prog action- ;) (which I actually don't mind)
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Really? Rush are good? Really?
Listen to
2112 ;)
Was that before the 80's??
Probably not.
Spandau Ballet/Heaven 17
were terrific bands. I would certainly hope one the five tune you refer to is the formers "To cut a long Story Short" and shurley "Club Tropicana" by Wham is a classic... or are you just being provocative?
Hilarious etc.
But in fact, I think music sort of died in the 80s.
It seems to me like the time when everyone realised everything had been done, and it was time to just start playing with 'state of the art' technology to make music.
The 80s make me feel sick. The 90s make me feel unhappy, apart from the Verve and Oasis and a bit of Pulp here and there.
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Wow, yes, Oasis are the best thing since the 80s. Or possibly the worst!
Sorry it had to be said, someone was going to sooner or later. You are probably immune to it by now though.
I'm not saying they were the best.
I'll be the first to admit my 'knowledge' of 80s/90s music is tiny. But on the whole, they were two awful decades for someone who likes his drums without reverb, his films old and lovely and his clothes thin.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlszmjNhaVQ
=you are wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgcuU_JWuQU
=you are wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG_ssOWKq74
=you are wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3buYpfYRlaA
=you are wrong
<3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsyC2PFVBs
= you are wrong
I wasn't gonna comment here
cos... y'know, really
but I was just thinking about nearly every single review today depending on genre and whathaveya:
"sounds like the Stooges.. only not as good."
"sounds like Television... only not as good."
"sounds like the Stones/Beatles... only not as good."
"sounds like Bowie circa 107?... only not as good."
For the 80s:
"sounds like EATB/Cure/JAMC/REM/etc... only not as good."
Very occasionally... today's music is as good. In fact, I'm fanatical about today's stuff. But no one takes this seriously, eh.
KURT RUSSELL
YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT...
Van Morrison Astral Weeks
Anything by Miles Davis
Anything by Nick Drake
Kraftwerk Man Machine
Anything by Bill Withers
Dylan
Springsteen
Bowie
Led Zep
Fuck... the list goes on...
No fucking protools, no editing singers down to the vowels, no auto tune...
Do you realise what a muppet you are for even thinking what you just wrote down on this music forum?
I just wish Lester Bangs could possess me right now so i could give you the literary whipping you deserve.
But one thing is for sure... one day you'll grow up, and you'll remember what you wrote here today and realise how young and naive you once were.
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Uh, he's not serious.
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or that young...
That comment cut the deepest.
I'm young! I like eating Haribo and use the word tinkle instead of piss. I'm young.
ummmm
BOWIE!!! duh