Don't worry you'll come back round to them. I go through love em / hate em phases too but everytime I stick ribed on or White Trash I come running back like a long lost lover. One of my fave bands and I can't help it!
but certainly I used to own and enjoy albums by the Verve, Manics and even the first Stereophonics album and these are all people I'm not too keen on at all now.
What bands have let you down after you liked some of the early stuff that they did?
or
What bands have you sort of grown out of a little bit as your tastes have 'matured'. (i hate the word matured. I don't even know why I typed it. Sorry.)
a lot of the really small minded "indie" mentality to be honest. Sure, tastes do mature, I agree... but a lot of it is lame ass herd mentality. As soon as something 'underground' goes over-ground there's this sudden embarrassed scrabbling to retract what you formerly though was good because its too mainstream. Which goes to show that people don't know what they *really* like most of the time, they just say 'Baaaaaa'. And I'm not exempting myself from this either btw...
so a certain extent, but you have to admit that if someone says "Kaiser Chiefs" or something similar, the above guy is probably right. A lot of people won't even be caught dead with their first album now, which is a little suspicious if they thought it was great in 2005. And Klaxons? That really is a quick "evolution"!
But I do think occasionally it's not band-wagoning that puts you off bands that get successful but over-hype.
To give a good example, when I first heard Los Campesinos! I heard them in the context of "new band asking for people's opinions on latest demos" so clicked on it with a certain expectation and, within that expectation, found what I heard to be brilliant whereas, a year later when they're seen as one of the best upcoming bands in the UK, I maybe don't rate them as much.
Not 'cos what they're doing has changed, or 'cos my tastes have changed, or 'cos I want to be fashionable or whatever but simply because the amount they're getting hyped compared to how good I think they are has shifted in a way where it has changed my view of them. I find this with Emmy the Great too - I think she's pretty good but nowhere near as good as some people make her out to be and that outside probably does shift how much you like someone. It's not exactly bandwagon, it's something else entirely.
its true true...it has much to do with expectations. I guess its so rare that bands manage to stay beneath the radar and don't get hyped beyond what they're actually capable of. I think Kaiser Cheifs are a good example - I don't love their music - not my taste - but I can see its appeal. DiS released their first single (I think) and now are the first in line to slag them off, which seems...well..harsh.
Used to like (the) Verve, until that gobby twat Manc started imitating Ian Brown. He used to be all hippyfied and stoned and rather cool when they were Verve. Hate that video with him walking through London. hate hate HATE HIM!!!
followed by an album that sounded like some bastard devil son of U2..
May I also add Jet not a bad first album with 1 inspirational rock anthem followed by a pile of Winne the Pooh that was their second effort. No wonder they decided to call it a day..
Sometimes growing out of bands or tastes changing has nothing to do with the bands status or mainstream appeal.
This especially applies to me - years ago I were mad for Blur and the Manics and all that, loved it, but now I won't go out of my way to dig them out of my collection to play them. This isn't because they're popular [less so in fact], I just don't love that sound as much now.
Nowadays I simply don't want to listen to that sort of thing, there is no calculated thought or "Sell-out, mainstream" mentality.
Plus a lot of it hasn't aged too well.
I was of a similar understanding when visiting dis for the first time.
No-one seemed to like anything in the NME, and traded obscure band names like top trumps.
It still goes on, but it bothers me less.
I can't say any bands popularity, or lack, of has affected my liking that much I think sometimes band A, who seemed a bit underground, lead you on to band B who are better at band A's schtick and so on and so on.
i have no idea what's fashonable to like now... although i do get the feeling that me liking snow patrol isnt that cool.
i don't think there is much trading off cool points on here anymore. I think it's something tristramassacre was alluding too a week or so ago. That most people on here seem much more comfortable in their tastes, and doesn't seem to go in for being the first to like some new band.
i definitely see what theguywithno.. says further up is saying, it's a really good post. but i don't agree. if you see a band that are a good local band, or are good for mate's band, or are a band that deserve to be big but you personally dont like that much: then that's what you think. that doesn't change just because they're getting played on the radio and written about in magazines.
but I recently attempted to sell a bunch of hardcore records I was into back when I was 15/16. Stuff like Dillinger, Minus, Refused, ATD-I, alongside stuff like Oceansize and some other stuff that escapes me.
If I want to listen to hardcore now, it doesn't extend much beyond Converge and then mainly because Kurt Balou has the most amazing guitar sound. Ever since Dillinger turned into a shitty FNM/NIN tribute band, I've had no time for them.
The Shape Of Punk To Come is hideously, hideously overrated; it really is nothing more than some questionable Euro techno tacked on to some fairly average hardcore. And Lyxzen is a sell-out little shit.
ATD-I just don't do it for me anymore. To my mind, they're Fugazi without the subtlety, although I'm pretty certain Sparta and the Mars Volta have caused me to critically evaluate their legacy. And Oceansize are basically just a horrible prog-rock band in awe of early 90s grunge, who use horrible phaser guitar effects in every song.
For a 15 year-old with a knowledge of music that doesn't extend much beyond hardcore, I can understand why it would sound like the best thing ever. But really, let's be honest, if you have even a passing interest in electronica the techno interludes on that album sound so painfully contrived. And everything else is just fairly unremarkable hardcore; it shows what an retrogade genre hardcore is that TSOPTC is hailed as some kind of revolutionary classic.
Korn
^this
I also used to like NOFX but now I find them extremely irritating.
aaaahhhh ..
Don't worry you'll come back round to them. I go through love em / hate em phases too but everytime I stick ribed on or White Trash I come running back like a long lost lover. One of my fave bands and I can't help it!
KoRn
Slipknot
Linkin Park
Limpbizkit
The Offspring
I don't think anyone can argue. My music taste was shit.
Wouldn't go so far as loved
but certainly I used to own and enjoy albums by the Verve, Manics and even the first Stereophonics album and these are all people I'm not too keen on at all now.
first Stereophonics album
is still a good album...
New Kids On The Block
a blip in an otherwise flawless musical lineage from an early age.
The Cribs
Anything with Pete Doherty or Carl Barat
Klaxons
M People!??
You disgust me.
I used to think Kaiser Cheifs were pretty neat.
No more.
King Adora
seriously, the number of times I saw them is ridiculous.
I still love King Adora...
Maybe because I've never seen them...
They SUCKED live!
Everything wayyyyy too fast and they were just dicks.
i liked "where is the love?" when it first came out
but i would say i hate the black eyed peas now.
the decemberists
SURELY
This is like saying "who's a fickle twat?"
Or just like saying
What bands have let you down after you liked some of the early stuff that they did?
or
What bands have you sort of grown out of a little bit as your tastes have 'matured'. (i hate the word matured. I don't even know why I typed it. Sorry.)
This sums up
a lot of the really small minded "indie" mentality to be honest. Sure, tastes do mature, I agree... but a lot of it is lame ass herd mentality. As soon as something 'underground' goes over-ground there's this sudden embarrassed scrabbling to retract what you formerly though was good because its too mainstream. Which goes to show that people don't know what they *really* like most of the time, they just say 'Baaaaaa'. And I'm not exempting myself from this either btw...
I agree with both
so a certain extent, but you have to admit that if someone says "Kaiser Chiefs" or something similar, the above guy is probably right. A lot of people won't even be caught dead with their first album now, which is a little suspicious if they thought it was great in 2005. And Klaxons? That really is a quick "evolution"!
................
Er I like Muse and I'm proud of it, they are mainstream.
Exactly
There's things I liked at 15 that I wouldn't listen to now and I don't think that's unreasonable; it's being 10 years older.
sure, thats why I said
" tastes do mature, I agree"
but I do think a lot of it is also band-wagoning
You're not wrong of course
But I do think occasionally it's not band-wagoning that puts you off bands that get successful but over-hype.
To give a good example, when I first heard Los Campesinos! I heard them in the context of "new band asking for people's opinions on latest demos" so clicked on it with a certain expectation and, within that expectation, found what I heard to be brilliant whereas, a year later when they're seen as one of the best upcoming bands in the UK, I maybe don't rate them as much.
Not 'cos what they're doing has changed, or 'cos my tastes have changed, or 'cos I want to be fashionable or whatever but simply because the amount they're getting hyped compared to how good I think they are has shifted in a way where it has changed my view of them. I find this with Emmy the Great too - I think she's pretty good but nowhere near as good as some people make her out to be and that outside probably does shift how much you like someone. It's not exactly bandwagon, it's something else entirely.
This
is exactly how I feel.
Also,
a very well made point. All in all, an excellent post.
"It's not exactly bandwagon..
...it's something else entirely."
yeah, it's backlash.
yeah.
Me three
yeah cos i'm sure loads of people thought m people were cool
Cooper Temple Clause
2 good albums.
1 fucking howler of an album.
then they split up.
good move
aaah
used to love CTC for about 5 minutes too.
^ This
Although I still occasionally listen to the old albums.
Muse
because I am no longer in to caterwauling. Is that even a word? A word spelt correctly?
Yes
It is a word. And I concur.
incubus
what a pile of steaming horse shit. thankfully i've seen the light!
right on guywithno...
its true true...it has much to do with expectations. I guess its so rare that bands manage to stay beneath the radar and don't get hyped beyond what they're actually capable of. I think Kaiser Cheifs are a good example - I don't love their music - not my taste - but I can see its appeal. DiS released their first single (I think) and now are the first in line to slag them off, which seems...well..harsh.
incubus
aren't THAT bad. I can still listen to a few of their songs. But the lyrics...Oh god they're shitty.
soulfly
15yrold me = yeaah max cavalera kicking ass woo!
19yrold me = isn't this just dodgy nu-metal with famous people doing guest vocals every second track?
23yrold me = eugh numetal pap, where's my copy of arise at...
i would say i ever loved them
but i find it hadouken extremly irritating now.
wouldn't
rather.
they're pretty shit though.
Ugly Kid Joe
Green Day
Manics
Foo Fighters
Gary Numan
Feeder
Placebo
Guns and Roses
Limp Bizkit
Korn
Sepultura
Soulfly
Machine Head
Slipknot
Creed
oh, to be young and impressionable!
A man who is tired of Slipknot is tired of life.
haha
not sure if you're serious... come on, you can't be.
g'n'r and sepultura
were both clearly awesome at their peaks
I really do still love Slipknot.
oh well.
slipknot are brilliant
Machine Head
Metallica
Kaiser Chiefs
Hot Hot Heat
man, "matador!!! at the door!!" ahhh so good! but now, they're just crap with that curlyhaired ugger.
Jeff Buckley
Used to be crazy for grace but nowadays wonder how i ever listen to his histrionics. same as that guy talking about matt bellamy's caterwauling.
and his mum is annoying.
did jeff buckley die like 8 years ago?
???
10...
G O T E A M
Manic Street Preachers - not hate but dont like their stuff.
coldplay
1st album - good
2nd album - full of good pop tunes
3rd album - overproduced and recycled
coldplay -never was good
never will be. waaaay too boring.
^^^^^
!!!
Biffy Clyro
VERVE!!!!
Used to like (the) Verve, until that gobby twat Manc started imitating Ian Brown. He used to be all hippyfied and stoned and rather cool when they were Verve. Hate that video with him walking through London. hate hate HATE HIM!!!
Don't mind the rest of the band though.
Slipknot
P L A C E B O
fiery furnaces
rhcp
Razorlight really good debut album
followed by an album that sounded like some bastard devil son of U2..
May I also add Jet not a bad first album with 1 inspirational rock anthem followed by a pile of Winne the Pooh that was their second effort. No wonder they decided to call it a day..
???????????????????????????????????????????????
inspirational rock anthem
???????????????????????????????????????????????
Architecture in Helsinki
Arctic Monkeys
Art Brut
they all begin with A. Coincidence? I think not.
art brut
just get better and better.
says you!
Stone Temple Pilots
spice girls
I agree with Bamos on this one.
Sometimes growing out of bands or tastes changing has nothing to do with the bands status or mainstream appeal.
This especially applies to me - years ago I were mad for Blur and the Manics and all that, loved it, but now I won't go out of my way to dig them out of my collection to play them. This isn't because they're popular [less so in fact], I just don't love that sound as much now.
Nowadays I simply don't want to listen to that sort of thing, there is no calculated thought or "Sell-out, mainstream" mentality.
Plus a lot of it hasn't aged too well.
not neccesarily loved but...
- Kaiser Chiefs
- Coldplay
- U2
- Manic Street Preachers
I can see both sides.
I was of a similar understanding when visiting dis for the first time.
No-one seemed to like anything in the NME, and traded obscure band names like top trumps.
It still goes on, but it bothers me less.
I can't say any bands popularity, or lack, of has affected my liking that much I think sometimes band A, who seemed a bit underground, lead you on to band B who are better at band A's schtick and so on and so on.
yeah me too on the popularity
i have no idea what's fashonable to like now... although i do get the feeling that me liking snow patrol isnt that cool.
i don't think there is much trading off cool points on here anymore. I think it's something tristramassacre was alluding too a week or so ago. That most people on here seem much more comfortable in their tastes, and doesn't seem to go in for being the first to like some new band.
i definitely see what theguywithno.. says further up is saying, it's a really good post. but i don't agree. if you see a band that are a good local band, or are good for mate's band, or are a band that deserve to be big but you personally dont like that much: then that's what you think. that doesn't change just because they're getting played on the radio and written about in magazines.
I don't particdularly hate any bands.
They're all selling themselves anyway it's just a question of whether I like their music.
I feel let down by some bands (eg the Strokes) but can't hate them.
Not hate
but I recently attempted to sell a bunch of hardcore records I was into back when I was 15/16. Stuff like Dillinger, Minus, Refused, ATD-I, alongside stuff like Oceansize and some other stuff that escapes me.
If I want to listen to hardcore now, it doesn't extend much beyond Converge and then mainly because Kurt Balou has the most amazing guitar sound. Ever since Dillinger turned into a shitty FNM/NIN tribute band, I've had no time for them.
The Shape Of Punk To Come is hideously, hideously overrated; it really is nothing more than some questionable Euro techno tacked on to some fairly average hardcore. And Lyxzen is a sell-out little shit.
ATD-I just don't do it for me anymore. To my mind, they're Fugazi without the subtlety, although I'm pretty certain Sparta and the Mars Volta have caused me to critically evaluate their legacy. And Oceansize are basically just a horrible prog-rock band in awe of early 90s grunge, who use horrible phaser guitar effects in every song.
I agree
with almost everything there. I'm constantly amazed that TSOPTC seems to continuously generate greater hype with every re-evaluation.
I know, it's really bizarre
For a 15 year-old with a knowledge of music that doesn't extend much beyond hardcore, I can understand why it would sound like the best thing ever. But really, let's be honest, if you have even a passing interest in electronica the techno interludes on that album sound so painfully contrived. And everything else is just fairly unremarkable hardcore; it shows what an retrogade genre hardcore is that TSOPTC is hailed as some kind of revolutionary classic.
These
Manic Street Preachers
Foo Fighters
The Libertines
Placebo
Creed
Bon Jovi
Queen
Wow, what a boring list of drivel.
Oh well, everyones music taste has to develop from somewhere.
Kasabian
Though really the fact that i like Liars latest release proves that i'm just denying that i like them on the basis of album #2
Korn
LinkiN Park
Limp Bizkit
I hated Kaiser Cheifs from the minute they opened the NME awards in 2005
they were like a fucking tribute band straight away.
And we all know how much tribute band tickets cost.
they make a fucking fortune
:
Deftones
Dire Straits
Culture Club
Oasis