So McClaren couldn't even do one thing right and resign, he had to wait until the FA pushed him. Cheers Steve, you won't be missed, you utterly hopeless football manager.
So who's next? Well there's the 'nevers' (Jose, Arsene, Alex MacCleish), there's the 'please God, nos (Shearer, Pearce, Peter Taylor) and then there's Martin O Neil, who by rights should tell the FA to F off (see what i did) considering he wanted the job last time but wasn't deemed as good as McClaren.
Serious suggestions only (not 'Big' Phil/Sam)
Martin O'Neill
for me. He'd instil passion and commitment and (hopefully unless there really is FA/agent intervention here) pick players who are performing consistently at FIRST TEAM level for their club sides week in week out, regardless of which club or which division they happened to be in.
Bonus points for using the word passion.
i really dont know anymore
im just so disinterested now that i cant even process it. I just dont think the teams good enough for a start so i cant see a manager having much of an effect at the moment anyway. Maybe this is the wake up call we need but im so dissillusioned i dont care. sorry
Roy Hodgson
Every time
^ this
This occurred to me earlier. Hugely experienced in international management, plays good football and almost took Finland to Euro 2008. One goal last night against Portugal would've done it.
I'm not English though so I don't really care.
I'm gonna re-post what I just put on another thread:
I was gonna semi-ironically joke that they might as well appoint Gary Johnson for all the English managerial 'talent' around. Then I realised he actually is the best English candidate around:
*He has experience of International Management (with Latvia, where he laid the foundations which lead to them qualifying for Euro 2004 - LATVIA for Christ's sake! If he can turn them round, what can he do for England?)
*He handles the media well.
*He advocates an attractive brand of attacking football.
*He's got a good record of taking over at under-performing teams and getting the best out of them.
*He took Yeovil (who'd under-performed for years) from the conference into a good League One Side
*He's taken Bristol City (who'd under-performed for years) from League one relegation strugglers to punching well above their weight into the Championship.
*He's not afraid to ditch big names who are past their best (both Bristol City's biggest-name players - Marcus Stewart and Michael Bridges - were kicked out within months of him taking over).
Now I'm not seriously suggesting Gary Johnson will be (or indeed should be) the new England manager but I genuinely think there are no better English candidates for the job.
Which is why I think it has to be someone non-English.
Top post from
theguywithnousername and spot on.
'he handles the media well'
Methinx the English media are slightly worse than the Latvian media...
I'd say Redknapp was a better candidate for the job, however if the FA thought O Neill was too much of a loose cannon, they're hardly gonna go for Dirty 'arry are they?
I meant he handles the media well with Bristol City.
Admittedly far-less pressured environment but he is likable in interviews, keeps his head down and just gets on with football matters.
Hasn't Redknapp said he won't do it anyway?
Probably...
I'm sure he wouldn't be asken anyways...
Johnson is second...
...to Holloway in the quotes department when it comes to post-match interviews.
I hated him for leaving Yeovil at the time, and taking the best of our crop with him but with time that's healed and I can see he really is going to be a class act.
I mean, he is already but should have a long career ahead of him still.
He left you in a pretty good state too.
I mean I was both pleased and disappointed when he was appointed (pleased 'cos I support Bristol City and disappointed 'cos my Grandad was from Yeovil and ever since he died they've been my "second team") but I'm pleased Yeovil have held it together since he's gone.
Yeah...
For us, historically we're still flying high!
It's been frustrating this season though as Johnson's brand of football seems now to have gone completly as Slade has stamped his authority and made signings to make it his team.
I can see us becoming another of teams fighting for scraps and relying on loan players from bigger teams...um, like Bristol City from now on though!
As for City, well what a story. It's great to see them still up there as Christmas nears.
Yeah.
I mean it's hard to imagine we'll keep this going all season but if we can keep in the top half (or even mid-table) it'll give us a good platform to build on in the future.
I'm still in disbelief that we're doing so well!
XD
Gordon Brown
Ian Holloway for England!
At least it'd make the press conferences entertaining, which is more than can be said for any aspect of England's play in the past 18 months.
Seriously, no-one other than the 'nevers' are really good enough to be England manager. O'Neill is maybe good enough, but if he takes the job, my opinion of him plummets, after being dicked around by the FA last time.
So, who should be England manager?
How about whoever the sports editor at the Sun is, I'd enjoy giving him a good kicking after Every Defeat.
CAPELLO
If he was stupid enough to take it. No smart manager with a proven track record will go anywhere near this job. Its the ultimate poisoned chalice.
CAPELLO
MOURINHO!
Capello wants it
According to reports Capello wants it, saying it would be a "beautiful oppotunity" on italian tv last night (he was commentating on (Italy vs. Faroe Islands). Frankly if the man wants it, give it him, he'd be better than anyone else suggestted (except Mourinho who I don't think would take the job)..
Roy Hodgson
Why won't anyone take me seriously
'cos you keep saying Roy Hodgson?
But he
has a track record in european and international football and he's English.
I think he would be a brilliant appointment
His record speaks for itself
to be fair.
I was being flippant.
He might be good but the FA'll probably go for whoever they think think'll set well with the media and he'll be seen as too old-fashioned and out of the media eye.
Because he's not Martin O Neill.
O'Neill
won't take it for two reasons
a) he got refused and he won't take it out of pride
b) he's building something exciting at Villa
^
I really hope this is true
Well, it's official now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7100393.stm
that's out the way at least
get your fucking mitts off O'Neil though.
I dunno who. Linekar maybe. Maybe Mourinho, but I want us to play attacking, so i dunno if he's the man.
I#d fucking love Lineker to take the job...
I met him when i was mascot for Spurs on April 14th, 1990 - I should have asked him.
why has no-one mentioned
Martin Jol yet?
?
Also - is Martin O Neil really likely to leave Villa when he is doing such a good job there?
Martin Jol was found out at Spurs...
his tactics aren't up to much - NICEST GUY IN FOOTBALL, though.
Is O' Neill doing that well at Villa???
Mourinho is favourite apparently. I'd love that, but can't see it happening...
because
as much as I love Martin, it was his tactical inabilities that cost him his job. Spurs play EXACTLY like England have done under McClaren. Do most of the possesion, look good for large parts of the game, get a goal ahead and then FUCKING SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR THE FUCKING INEVITABLE YOU SET OF FUCKING FUCKING IDIOTS. I CAN SEE IT COMING, GARY LINEKAR CAN SEE IT COMING, EVERY FUCKER CAN SEE IT COMING. YOU CAN NOT SIT ON A DRAW OR A ONE GOAL LEAD WHEN YOUVE GOT NO BASTARD DEFENDERS YOU SET OF INCOMPETANT MORONS.
ahem.
needed to get that off my chest.
Crouch's goal was good wasn't it? and Our Darren nearly scored a belter.
not entirely sure
why Gary Linekar got in there, but you see my point.
I think
Linekar said (or hansen said linekar said during the match) England needed one more as they were incapable of sitting on the result they needed. Maybe you subconciously recalled this
I think
your right. But doesn't the sitting back and taking it policy piss you off? You KNOW you're going to concede, just don't do it.
off course
but our players get paralyzed by the pressure, become unsure what to do and become shit again, even if we've just been good for 20 minutes.
Roy Hodgson
Who?
Roy Walker?
Capello
Agree with olegrich, he's available, has a top track record and according to 606 last night, has said he'd take it if offered
Does he play in a typical Italian way though?
I think Sven's biggest problem was that he wanted England to play the Italian "sit back and defend the 1-0" game which made the fans impatient and didn't entirely suit with the players.
Really we need someone who can get England playing to their strengths, which probably means a high-tempo attacking game.
Just like
er, Roy Hodgson
You're beginning to convince me on this one now...
I'm writing to the FA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hodgson#Managerial_honours
I'd love it if it was Redknapp
England manager doing second hand car deals on the sidelines.
However, would he succeed if he can't buy loads of cheap Africans?
No
just like Arsene Wenger then
england manager doing car deals?
venables?
Warnock
Neil
oh yes please
at least through summer until the world cup qualifiers start, for a laugh.
I'd love it to go to
Mourinho, Scolari, Capello, Klinsmann, Lippi or someone of a similar ilk. Even Hodgson (good shout devonmalcolm) who's done a fantastic job with Finland and looks the best English candidate. But I rather fear it's going to go to Allardyce or Pearce or someone similar.
If I was O'Neill I'd tell the FA to get bent if they offered me the job now.
Pearce
needs to keep the u21s, he's doing a fine job. Him working WITH the full team manager would be nice, make the u21s have some kind of point and try and find some way of working out how to use the, to be fair, undeniably not shit wealth of players available, best in international matches.
I mean realistically there's no rush to appoint anyone quite yet
We've no competitive games for practically a year so if the right person isn't available it might be worth asking Pearce (or even Jewell) to just do the job to the end of the season.
I hadn't realised Hodgson was currently Finland manager.
Yep, he is best English candidate. And probably better choice than O'Neill too.
HE'S NOT A BETTER CHOICE THAN O'NEILL
End this Hodgson love-in. Now!
Oh Weckoing
* weckoning
thanks
I was scratching my head for ages trying to work out why that didn't look right.
No!
Convincing theguywithnousername of this is one of my best achievements of this week
Alan Shearer is 12/1 to be next!!!!
Listening to 909 this morning it seems a fair few people are advocating this choice, I mean....just why? It's complete and utter madness.
yup
if there's one pundit who would never be a good manager it'd be him.
linekar maybe? YEAH! everyone loves him. and he knows his shit.
For fuck's sake.
Surely the FA wouldn't be that fucking stupid?
Sooner or later
someone is going to suggest Ian Wright on the basis of his "passion and commitment for the team", despite clearly being the type you wouldn't trust with a kids' five a side team.
You're saying he's a paedophile?
we need someone with international experience
but also plays the 'english way'. I think this is a Catch 22 scenario.
Capello would be like Sven, but more credentials. Don't think he'll work out though, we aren't italian. Hiddink was the man really.
In fairness it wasn't that much of an achievement
given that we're utterly bereft of English candidates and I hadn't realised there was an English manager already doing a good job in International fooball.
The problem with O'Neill is that certain supporters seem to see him as this Messianic figure who's gonna cure everything and, whilst he's a good manager, he isn't a miracle-worker.
ITS LINEKER
I reckon
the next England managers should be panel consisting of Chris Kamara, Lee Dixon, Ally McCoist and Ian Wright they seem to know alot about football from those Ladbrokes ads. The press conferences would be amazing what, with their witty banter and all.
*a panel
durrr.
Being serious Redknapp's suggestion of a panel of managers
might be a good idea.
^
Thanks, that was getting on my tits as well.
It's ok,
apparently Barwick's on the case already. Phew!
Seriously though: BARWICK OUT!
^5
Doesn't Barwick look like
the fat general in WW1 films who sends youth out to die while he feasts his corpulent mass on fois gras?
*act like
good call
personally i'd like to see the current lens manager, me, take over
I reckon they ought to hold an open call for people to send them their records on Football Manager.
Then choose the best candidate from that...
i Actually think that's a grand idea!
.
"The FA have told you to ignore media claims that you are too inexperienced for the job..."
Slaven Billic has slated England manager
theguywithnousername saying you have to back up big claims with performances, cruelly adding "One out of two isn't bad"
Hansen & Lawrenson
FTW
Am I alone in assuming those two
share a bed in a Morecambe and Wise style?
it's gotta be capello
he's got everyhting, won everything everywhere. canny, tactical, good man manager, not english. everything we need.
I still don't think it's style of play's right.
England can't play the Italian way. We're hopless at sitting on leads and fans get impatient if we don't attack all the time.
he's had success outside of italy
he managed to turn that rag tag madrid tema last season into champions. no italian in sight in that team.
Sure but he got sacked for being defensive.
I just think the fans'll get on his back over the style of play.