countless numbers of my mates have managed
to get EMA or whatever when they really
shouldnt have, same goes with lower Uni fees and this and other stuff. There's probably millions lost through this kinda thing that could be spent in much better ways
everyone I knew who was on ema were waaay richer than me.
My sister's friend lived in a huge house in the same village where the Sultan of Brunei has a house (palace). For her 17th birthday she received a brand new Peugeot 206 with personalised number plate. She used her ema to pay for the petrol >:(
also - pretty much benefit fraud, no?
yet nowhere near the same stigmatism.
also, I'm pretty sure I can remember people
on EMA in this way who would be like
"dole scumbags!" or whatever.
are real scum. Like the guy I know who gave up his job for a year to go on some hardcore christian college course (thus earning nothing) as he send 3 kids to uni.
I don't have dyslexia but I got a free computer as I can't write (my hand-to-eye co-ordination's utterly fucked).
I first got a computer when I was 10. Up 'til this point teachers assumed I was stupid 'cos of my handwriting. Without it I'd never have got GCSEs, never have got A-Levels, never have got a degree and never have got a Masters.
Some people abuse the system for sure but I'd have struggled to afford the computer myself (let alone be allowed to use on in a schoolroom) and it's pretty much 'cos of this policy that I have an education.
It actually scares the shit out of me to think that 40-odd years ago there might have been very intelligent people who wound up spending their lives working on factory floors 'cos they were written off as thick 'cos of disabilites. And I for one am fucking grateful technology is at the point where there's systems in place that stopped that happening to me, and I live in a country that will provide assistance to people with medical problems.
So frankly I think you're picking on the wrong target.
You are a worthy recipient with a genuine case. The system was set-up to assist people like you (Insert 'What do you mean, 'people like me?'? here:....)
The thread appears to be aimed at those people who are abusing the system.
I'm suggesting he might want to know the full facts before making sweeping statements.
Of course some people abuse the system and should be stopped but personally I'd rather laptops were given to a few people who didn't deserve one that for one person to waste their potential in life 'cos they've been wrongly written-off and not given the support they need.
just better safeguards with regard to the means teasting.
That might stop people like my friend Anna whose father is a barrister, but, has divorced her mother who doesn't work (as she has family money) and is now living with another barrister from being able to claim a free laptop!
If there were fewer people abusing the sytem, think how much more money there would be to support those that need help.
I knew people at uni who conned a free laptop out of the system. I knew people at uni who genuinely needed help, were given a laptop and then absolutely no other assistance. How a free piece of electronic equipment was supposed to replace a more sustained and helpful attempt to educate I don't know.
But I have no idea if what I saw is reflective of a wider problem or not
aye people at college got free ones, ive no problem with that, they were not in a financial position to afford one and it is a necessity now in higher education. I dont know of people feigning situations to obtain one. laptops. tis good to own a laptop, as long as they dont spend their lives on facebook... (i still have one of those big tower thingys, i cant carry that with me, give me laptop)
but this was an actual trial to see if giving money to people with depression would cheer them up - as stupid as it sounds (but the trial did take place in Norfolk).
used to do that. she was only given a pocketmoney to prevent her from spending all the family money in a couple of days...she had been close to doing that several times.
Certainly with what I have (and I think with dyslexia too) it's not as simple as "helping them write better" as all the attempts to improve writing in the world won't solve a basic physical malfunction. It'd be like trying to teach a paralysed person to walk...
how will people with a difficulty not get support because she was given support? If the system is working properly, either they'd both get it, or neither would. I don't support any kind of means testing when it comes to NHS provision. If someone is rich enough to pay for private healthcare, does that mean they should be ineligible for surgery on the NHS?
To place different rules on dyslexia support to any other condition is to deny its impact as a real problem. And that conclusion isn't supported by the evidence, if you ask me.
organisations that sorted out the funding for these things, and they were very closely allied to the Local Health Boards, or whatever it is they're calling them in Wales now.
These kinds of schemes are very closely tied into the same principles of the NHS. But still, let's extend the question of 'pay for it if you can afford it' to the other stuff that we used to provide. If an individual needed a care worker to accompany them to college, should the family have to pay for that if they can afford it?
We have universal healthcare provision for all regardless of ability to pay for it.
Presumably her parents are paying 40% tax on a considerable sum of money and as such are contributing significantly to the NHS.
As such their daughter is entitled to medical treatment in the same way as somebody who is unemployed is entitled in spite of the fact that they aren't (currently) contributing taxes to support the system.
Next week I have to go to a training day on Equality & Diversity. I really don't want to do this as I expect it to be patronising and tell me things I already know.
Luckly, due to my afore-mentioned inability to write, I've decided I can get away with taking my laptop with me to 'make notes' and then spend the entire day doing non-work related stuff whilst pretending to listen.
they give free laptops to university students with dyslexia... i mean, everyone at uni buys laptops anyway, so in that sense you're not really giving them something they wouldnt have anyway, you're just compensating them for being dyslexic. which is pretty dumb, really.
I work as a teaching assistant with children with special needs. I am 34 years old and have worked since i left school. we had our own bussiness which went bust and we are paying every penny back to our creditors. I left school with no qualifcations due my dyslexic, the school said i was thick and did not have dyslexic. Now my laptop which i bought myself 8 years ago is about to give up and i really cannot afford a new one. I have a statement from the dyslexic insitute and i am not a free loaded just a person who really could do with a new laptop. If you know where you can get one of theses free laptops from, i would be really really greatful
but at the same time you don't want to punish people who genuinely need the EMA to get to school or people who would really benefit immensely from getting a laptop.
neecho on here
got one for that reason. read these boards too much...
that's what sparked the thread
couple of my friends did too. one of whom
is fucking loaded.
what a waste of government money
I cant see without my contact lenses but I dont get shit all. WHERE'S MY FREE BLOODY LAZERS!
that is so unfair
i might claim im dyslexic so i can get one! they probably have a crap spec tho so no one would ever know
they need to sort the system
because i know of a few people who have faked it and ended up with free macbook pros.
the education system is fucking mess
in terms of this kinda thing
countless numbers of my mates have managed
to get EMA or whatever when they really
shouldnt have, same goes with lower Uni fees and this and other stuff. There's probably millions lost through this kinda thing that could be spent in much better ways
this kinda thing
this kinda thing
laadeedoo
people who get ema cos
their daddy sold his company and isn't technically earning anything - pretty worse?
Yep,
everyone I knew who was on ema were waaay richer than me.
My sister's friend lived in a huge house in the same village where the Sultan of Brunei has a house (palace). For her 17th birthday she received a brand new Peugeot 206 with personalised number plate. She used her ema to pay for the petrol >:(
everyone seems to know people like it
ema is like £30 a week int it?
that's thousands
fucking ridiculous
also - pretty much benefit fraud, no?
yet nowhere near the same stigmatism.
also, I'm pretty sure I can remember people
on EMA in this way who would be like
"dole scumbags!" or whatever.
They
are real scum. Like the guy I know who gave up his job for a year to go on some hardcore christian college course (thus earning nothing) as he send 3 kids to uni.
I've just noticed this thread is four months old
*abandon reply*
Good to see again though.
Few people at my old
school were like this and some because their grandparents paid for everything.
It's pretty useful.
I don't have dyslexia but I got a free computer as I can't write (my hand-to-eye co-ordination's utterly fucked).
I first got a computer when I was 10. Up 'til this point teachers assumed I was stupid 'cos of my handwriting. Without it I'd never have got GCSEs, never have got A-Levels, never have got a degree and never have got a Masters.
Some people abuse the system for sure but I'd have struggled to afford the computer myself (let alone be allowed to use on in a schoolroom) and it's pretty much 'cos of this policy that I have an education.
It actually scares the shit out of me to think that 40-odd years ago there might have been very intelligent people who wound up spending their lives working on factory floors 'cos they were written off as thick 'cos of disabilites. And I for one am fucking grateful technology is at the point where there's systems in place that stopped that happening to me, and I live in a country that will provide assistance to people with medical problems.
So frankly I think you're picking on the wrong target.
You're not the target though.
You are a worthy recipient with a genuine case. The system was set-up to assist people like you (Insert 'What do you mean, 'people like me?'? here:....)
The thread appears to be aimed at those people who are abusing the system.
Ah but it's aimed at people who Jesus_Quintana assumes is abusing the system.
I'm suggesting he might want to know the full facts before making sweeping statements.
Of course some people abuse the system and should be stopped but personally I'd rather laptops were given to a few people who didn't deserve one that for one person to waste their potential in life 'cos they've been wrongly written-off and not given the support they need.
I don't think there is any danger of that
just better safeguards with regard to the means teasting.
That might stop people like my friend Anna whose father is a barrister, but, has divorced her mother who doesn't work (as she has family money) and is now living with another barrister from being able to claim a free laptop!
If there were fewer people abusing the sytem, think how much more money there would be to support those that need help.
I work for a company that supplies laptops to dyslexic people
So I'm not going to comment.
I've seen it be ineffective both ways
I knew people at uni who conned a free laptop out of the system. I knew people at uni who genuinely needed help, were given a laptop and then absolutely no other assistance. How a free piece of electronic equipment was supposed to replace a more sustained and helpful attempt to educate I don't know.
But I have no idea if what I saw is reflective of a wider problem or not
freebies
aye people at college got free ones, ive no problem with that, they were not in a financial position to afford one and it is a necessity now in higher education. I dont know of people feigning situations to obtain one. laptops. tis good to own a laptop, as long as they dont spend their lives on facebook... (i still have one of those big tower thingys, i cant carry that with me, give me laptop)
my stepmum got given seven grand on an nhs trial
to 'cheer her up' (she's bipolar).
Slightly misguided methinks.
Did it work?
It would cheer me up!
.
How easy is it to pretend to be bipolar?
No
it just stressed her out
people get paid to take part in med trials...
It's not without risk though...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9226.html
yeah
but this was an actual trial to see if giving money to people with depression would cheer them up - as stupid as it sounds (but the trial did take place in Norfolk).
I was responding to Vikram
...if anyone wants to give me 7,000 I can assure them that there is no risk of me being anything other than delighted!
As this trial was in Norfolk they should have given her a new Lotus so that she could escape to Suffolk with great speed!
oh my god, serious?
that's amazing
serious
If she's bi-polar won't she get a high
and rush out a splurge it all and then get low about it afterwards?
Isn't that just Buyers remorse?
my friend's grannie (rip)
used to do that. she was only given a pocketmoney to prevent her from spending all the family money in a couple of days...she had been close to doing that several times.
Surley helping them write better would be better use of money?
Saying that id rilly like a laptop
That's not how certain medical conditons work.
Certainly with what I have (and I think with dyslexia too) it's not as simple as "helping them write better" as all the attempts to improve writing in the world won't solve a basic physical malfunction. It'd be like trying to teach a paralysed person to walk...
"Helping them writer better"
LOL
Sorry, I'm a bad person
No
if they have a learning disability they deserve some help.
my old housemate got one
and het rents are fucking loaded. she has her own horses ffs why cant her parents fucking pay for it. pissed me right off.
Surely you could extend that same argument to say
"if she broke her leg, surely the A & E department should charge her for treating her?"
If she could have easily afforded a laptop
she should have bought one. Otherwise she's left people who have a difficulty of some sort and cannot afford one without.
Perhaps some financial means testing should be applied to this scheme, so that the people who need help on two fronts will get it
I'm not really sure that this makes sense:
how will people with a difficulty not get support because she was given support? If the system is working properly, either they'd both get it, or neither would. I don't support any kind of means testing when it comes to NHS provision. If someone is rich enough to pay for private healthcare, does that mean they should be ineligible for surgery on the NHS?
To place different rules on dyslexia support to any other condition is to deny its impact as a real problem. And that conclusion isn't supported by the evidence, if you ask me.
I agree with jonny_rat on this one.
I agree with theguywithnousername on this one.
*chest bump*
I didn't mean means testing within the NHS
but honestly think that dyslexia aside, if you and your parents could very easily afford to buy a laptop then you should.
I used to temp in one of the
organisations that sorted out the funding for these things, and they were very closely allied to the Local Health Boards, or whatever it is they're calling them in Wales now.
These kinds of schemes are very closely tied into the same principles of the NHS. But still, let's extend the question of 'pay for it if you can afford it' to the other stuff that we used to provide. If an individual needed a care worker to accompany them to college, should the family have to pay for that if they can afford it?
Well no.
We have universal healthcare provision for all regardless of ability to pay for it.
Presumably her parents are paying 40% tax on a considerable sum of money and as such are contributing significantly to the NHS.
As such their daughter is entitled to medical treatment in the same way as somebody who is unemployed is entitled in spite of the fact that they aren't (currently) contributing taxes to support the system.
I think I get one next year as a student teacher.
Woot.
Really?
i've never understood the big draw about EMA...
free money, yes, but it's not worth having to go to ALL of your lectures for. I'd take a couple of lie-ins over £30.
On a complete and utter side note:
Next week I have to go to a training day on Equality & Diversity. I really don't want to do this as I expect it to be patronising and tell me things I already know.
Luckly, due to my afore-mentioned inability to write, I've decided I can get away with taking my laptop with me to 'make notes' and then spend the entire day doing non-work related stuff whilst pretending to listen.
Disabilities can be useful things...
fohjb eorngdl orehjd ropj
opwrig pewtohg ewoktgn woirnge.
I agree with your first point
but think you need to back that second sentence up with reasons and examples if you're going to make those sort of claims.
Just give me my free laptop, you cunt
not really.
i'd rather not have a free laptop than have dyslexia.
EMA
has been the cause of hundreds of arguments between me and my girlfriend.
She thinks she should get it because her mum just sold her business for fuck knows how much.
She really shouldn't!!
...
Your girlfriend is going to be a victim of the class war...
its pretty stupid that
they give free laptops to university students with dyslexia... i mean, everyone at uni buys laptops anyway, so in that sense you're not really giving them something they wouldnt have anyway, you're just compensating them for being dyslexic. which is pretty dumb, really.
re laptops for dyslexic
I work as a teaching assistant with children with special needs. I am 34 years old and have worked since i left school. we had our own bussiness which went bust and we are paying every penny back to our creditors. I left school with no qualifcations due my dyslexic, the school said i was thick and did not have dyslexic. Now my laptop which i bought myself 8 years ago is about to give up and i really cannot afford a new one. I have a statement from the dyslexic insitute and i am not a free loaded just a person who really could do with a new laptop. If you know where you can get one of theses free laptops from, i would be really really greatful
DO YOU LIKE GORDON BROWN?
VOTE TO GET A FREE LAPTOP!
I have dyspraxia
But I only did the test in my third year as all of my second year exam transcripts were binned for being illegible.
I had to fill out all these forms and pay for mores tests to get a laptop though.
I couldn't be arsed because I thought they gave you shitty laptops anyway....people that had them had shit laptops.
I got an hour extra for exams and I had to use capital letters for all my transcripts or they wouldn't accept the papers!
But a macbook pro? I could have got a a free macbook pro??????
The Victorian English Gentlemens Club's
My Son Spells Backwards is about this. Yes, pretty gay.
Pointless contribution, goodnight.
They should get free lapdogs.
That'll learn 'em to read proper.
i think it is pretty sucky
but at the same time you don't want to punish people who genuinely need the EMA to get to school or people who would really benefit immensely from getting a laptop.