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DiS supporting a new band: do YOU take notice?

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by Mike_Diver

Hello.

Quickie. Obviously there are bands DiS writers are especially fond of; often writers are alone(ish) in their admiration of a certain act. When it's a Proper New Band in question, do you message board loitering types actually pay said band any notice?

I just wonder if the 'new' acts we select to write about are being checked out by our readers. I'd like to think so; the DiScover shows are always busy, at least.

It's nice to see names appearing on the boards from time to time: MMISL, Fuck Buttons, The Wave Pictures, Rolo Tomassi, Deerhunter. But are you guys listening to these bands, buying their stuff, trying to see a show?

Mike_Diver | 02 Dec '07, 18:13 | Send note | Report this | Reply

yes to all those mentioned

But I know of those mentioned through the boards, not the site...


^ this ^

Is sort of what I'm addressing: we're presenting bands to you, to check out, but you're not reading about them in editorial? You're getting links posted by someone on the music boards? Like word of mouth rather than 'DiS says I must hear them'...

So, should WE - the editorial team - be posting links to DiScover bands on the music board, directing to our latest interview/mp3s etc?


Yes.


I agree

with yes_.


Also

not many people comment on the articles, of any kind. If it were posted here at the same time as the article was posted, it would encourage discussion and wheat-from-chaff sorting.
Not that there'd be any chaff, naturally...


It is quite easy

to look over at the other side, of course.


surely

you must have learnt by now that the message boards is where it's at, not the editorial.


yeah

i'm probably not alone in just going straight to the forums, then occasionally being tempting into the main site if theres a decent news article or interesting review.


.

that's how i roll


I'm not sure this is relevant, but...

I prefer Cokemachineglow's way of dealing with new bands to DiS's, i.e. just reviewing their albums and labelling them as "No Big Hair". If one of those albums then gets a high score, which they invariably do, I'm genuinely interested to know what they sound like.

With the DiScover section... I think I'd just prefer to see it done away with and integrated properly into the main site. In a way, sectioning the bands off is like a relegation for them. It's kind of like that old saying in sport - if you're good enough, you're old enough. If these bands are that good, they should be on the main site, otherwise I see no real motivation to dedicate any of my time to them.

Maybe another issue is that I've heard of a quite of a lot of the bands already by the time they're covered here. For example, I remember when Oppenheimer had they're DiScover feature, their album had already been out in the US for 6 months or something. And I'm pretty sure that MMISL and the like have usually already had DiScover shows before they have DiScover features, which again taints the newness.


.

agreed


yes

i get just about all my new music from either DiS or from the two (maybe three) friends i have with reliable taste.


Like many visitors to this site,

I just visit the boards to see what's up.

I don't tend to regard official recommendations from here as worth bothering with until I get some independent corroboration, because it is very hard to tell what is genuinely thought to be good, and what is merely a plug for the various projects of the people who run the site and their cronies.

So the Discover pages are a foreign country to me.

I welcome the idea of posting links to acts - there's no substitute for our own ears.


DiScover articles

Are always featured on the main site, too.
Every article has links/videos.
'Genuinely thought to be good'? So, you think I have pieces written on any old rubbish?


I prefer

to 'tread the boards'.

I have a good idea of what sort of music DiS likes and I know what they've 'DiScovered' is unlikely to climb my totem pole very high. I'm sure it's all very worthy, but I have more alternative stuff to listen to!


I'm pretty much with Bobby here.

A lot of the bands DiS tends to endorse aren't necessarily my 'thing' so I'll often not pay too much attention

There's certain people on the messageboard who I know come from a similar place as I do in terms of what they like in music so I'm more interested in what bands those people have seen and heard.

To be honest I don't think Mike's idea of putting the links on the music board would make any difference to me. We all know where we can find the DiS articles on new bands so it comes down far more t whether people agree with DiS's tastes or not.


...

almost as much as the fact that you made that statement after saying you rarely read any of the content.


It was fairly obviously implied

was it not?

Or are you saying that you do read a lot of editorial but spend even more time on the boards?


_

I have been visiting this site for years. I've read a great deal of editorial over that period.

I think most regulars have a pretty good idea of DiS's tastes.


..

I appreciate that, but I think DiS's tastes may have shifted recently.

I'm gonna start another thread... do me the pleasure of being first to respond?


In what sense do you feel they've shifted out of interest?

I've probably not read as many articles recently as I once did so may not have spotted this and would be interested to know...


I think DiS has a reputation,

deserved or not, of writing favourably about acts that fall into post-rock/muso/post-hardcore brackets...

I think it's gotten to be more inclusive recently... I'm not sure I could pin the editorial down to a specific genre these days. Obviously there is still a focus on 'white-boy rock', but that's kind of natural when you look at the tastes of those writing on and reading DiS.


^^This!

How is it more inclusive?

Are there any reviews of old Richard Harris LPs like there are on Pitchfork? :D


Sadly not...

though we did review Pagan Wanderer Lu once.


lol


The thing is I'd question how inclusive any music site ever can be.

I think any group of people working on a website or magazine are gonna have more similarities in taste than differences (or else why would they be working on the same site together?)

And independent music is such a wide-ranging and varied thing that it's unrealistic to imagine it possible to cover it all with equal attention. There are bound to be natural biases of taste for or against certain things. I personally don't have a huge problem with that . But at the same time I also realise that DiS liking a band doesn't necessarily mean I will like it too...


I check the new acts

or bands which have something reviewed most of the time if I don't already know of them.


the boards are my source of information

not the site. I can and do readily draw a distinction between the two.


Yeah

Youthmovies were pretty much one of the bands who got me into this site, as there was a lot of stuff of theirs mentioned on here.

And I love Manatees and Rolo Tomassi and MMISL....

Deerhunter I'm still not quite sure on mind.


^the key point I omitted here being:

generally I am very interested, if the bands are compared to ones I already like, or play a style which I like.

Or if I trust the writer in question, which I generally do on DiS for new stuff- though not always on more 'established' acts


Yes.

I have discovered some excellent bands and my favourite band of 2007 (Down I Go) through DiS, so thanks!


I DiScovered

Fuck Buttons through the site, and will get their picture disc when I am less broke. The DiScover on The Whip was underwhelming, I've really disliked them for ages.


A lot of the time though

the editorial team (London based) may champion bands that regional writers and their networks don't really get or have difficulty in selling to their audience. I know through the DiS nights we put on in Nottingham that a lot of the bands on the Notting Hill bills wouldn't shift more than 20 tickets between them up here, and I would say that's probably vice versa with some of our "big hitters" in this part of the world too.
But then surely that's what makes DiS unique, right, in that there is no editorial policy as such or genre-orientated line which has to be towed.


I wouldn't say that...

...simply because, mostly, it's not just London bands we've got playing Notting Hill. I'd wager that Johnny Foreigner, Elle S'appelle, Munch Munch, Bee Stung Lips and One More Grain - all playing in Jan, Feb and March - could do more than 20 tickets each regionally!

I don't like this word 'champion'; it's like 'tastemaker', a too-powerful word that detracts from the purpose of presenting a band a certain way. Besides, the 'tastemaker' tips in Music Week are almost ALWAYS crap.


Hmmm

yeah but to be fair, some of those bands are already on the "Radar" as far as London journos/A&R/record labels are concerned so the buzz is already in motion.
And of course, the London shows are free entry, which is always a bonus!


TruDat


But on a personal note

I'm always on the lookout for new stuff and if anyone here is constantly raving about something then I'll check em out one way or the other, but not always to the point of putting them on (mostly for financial reasons).


But you do 'champion' acts and act as 'tastemakers'

Whether or not you like the words, that's the way the DiScover section is inevitably going to function isn't it?


Personally - no

but i'm lazy and don't like much music, so there you go.


Just throwing it out there but...

...do you (DiS) believe you're introducing these bands to people first? Because coverage, at least of the bands mentioned here, seems to arrive in lots of places at once. Surely lots of people knew about Rolo Tomassi (for example) through Rock Sound/Holy Roar/MySpace/their constant touring before you 'discovered' them.

Whatever.


Plus obviously with a messageboard full of regular gig-goers...

...it's pretty rare that I see a DiScover feature on a band I'm not aware of by name at least through the messageboards already. Certainly Fuck Buttons, Rolo Tomassi and Deerhunter I knew about through the boards long before I saw any mind of 'proper' feature. Meet Me In Saint Louis are a band people on here and elsewhere have been talking about for at least a year and I'm aware of the Wave Pictures 'cos some mates were on a bill with 'em a few month back.

Given you've got a resource on these boards of 200+ people who go to a hell of a lot of gigs between them, I would expect most 'good' live bands to be picked up by the boards before the magazine. In fact, to flip the original question on is heard, I am interested to know to what extend the DiS staff make use of that resource and check out the bands the forum users are enthusiastic about?


All the time

Whenever there's a buzz about certain new bands on here (Glasvegas, Gossamer Albatross, Wave Pictures to name but 3) I'll check them out with the possibility of either writing a DiScover piece and hopefully booking them for a DiS show.
In the 2 years we've been putting on the Nottingham nights many bands who've played our shows are bands we heard about here first - twentysixfeet, Napoleon iiird, The Strange Death Of Liberal England, I Was A Cubscout, Public Relations Exercise, Rolo Tomassi being some of those bands - and even with the shows we're booking already for next year there are bands we're checking out at present as a direct result of what we've seen posted on here.


In fairness

most of those bands (excluding Rolo) were discussed on the boards before they had editorial, so I'd imagine someone is certainly supporting them, somewhere.


IWACS weren't

When Peter White did his DiScover piece on them no one in Nottingham had even heard of them!


Where did Mike write about IWACS?

That's who I was replying to.


No one said he did

unless he's changed his name to Peter White!


Wait...

you guys write articles?

<perplexed>


In all fairness, not really.

Purely because there seems to be a new one every week. With the bands you put on at RoTa and then the DiScover pieces etc etc. If I checked out every band that you claimed was 'the future' or even just 'pretty good' I'd not have enough time left to tie my shoelaces.


that's because

you're taking too much time to tie your shoelaces !


yes and no

i just find that it raises my awareness of a band somewhat. then if people are also talking about them alot on the boards, i'll go listen to em. the two go hand in hand pretty well really.


i trust the message boards...

...over the editorial. i've checked out a lot of editorial recommendations, and i read a lot of the features... but rarely find anything to get me really excited. i've discovered a lot of ace stuff through threads on here though - it's a more eclectic mix of tastes and there's more room for the uncool. which is cool.

x


Mike, dis should cover this band

www.myspace.com/motherandtheaddicts

I just cannot understand why they are not getting any attention. Please please please do an article about them.

ps, appologies if you already have.


If the band

fits in with my usual taste, then I'll definitely give them a listen.

I've recently discovered Cutting Pink With Knives, Rolo Tomassi and Meet Me In St Louis through DiS.


without sounding like a cock

i've already heard 90% of the bands that have DiScover features on here before they get put up.

the board is better, because there are a lot more people on this board than their are DiS writers, so the tastes and opinions are a bit more eclectic and there is a lot more variety


sometimes i do check them out

sometimes i don't


boards

are were its at for me. then i maybe look at the reviews (although often not just go listen) after. I trust a collection of users over one reviewer....

I don't like rolo tommasi :(.


there

are various reasons. one being, that most of the time 5 or 6 users saying they like someone it is unlikely they have any hidden interest (personal or business) other than liking the music in question. Any jagging is pretty obvious....


resolutely not.

i then am moderately surprised when i dont hate them. but then i hate everything, and i'm a cock.


Considering how much this site

seems to rely on 'the boards', it's ironic that DiS as an organisation is generally seen to view them as something of a thorn in their side.


yeah

and then post slightly embarrassing, insecure threads like this one.

You'd get a different answer if you asked the non-board DiS readers. But fact of the matter is the board readers/regulars don't need to read the editorial cos they've already heard about the bands through the boards.


Just fishing...

...for thoughts, really.
While the message board types here do make up a tiny amount of our readers, it's interesting (to me, anyway) to get feedback once in a while.
mx


.

I'm afraid I don't consider a DiS recommendation to mean that I will like a band at all. In many cases, I would even consider it a negative recommendation (as outlined by Kev Kharas somewhere above as what the received idea of what an editorial band selection might be). There are one or two writers I listen to as a rule, but they don't write loads.

I had tried to introduce a more eclectic strand of coverage, but found it heavy going with detailed articles not really taken seriously in their placement. A pitched idea about a series specifically covering more underground music was turned down during the redesign. An idea for a gig diary was "maybe later if we have space"d. Suggestions to liven up the editorial top 50 were nixed. So I tailed off as a writer and recently (reluctantly) have just about given up on it. Mike made it pretty clear that he doesn't consider my finger to be on the pulse of what's good or what DiS is about at all.

I would say the current idea of a DiS band (see: "Proper New Band", whatever that means - according to who??) is often actually at odds with that of the readership. Hence why the users pretty much pick their own "DiS bands" via the boards and are rarely led by the editorial. The community offers a diverse, responsive, way-ahead-of-the-pack look at what's going on right now, regardless of how "Proper" a new band might be or how serious they are taken by industry or other media, or what they've sold over the counter, with no artificial boundary on what's acceptable or worthy.


hmm

thats interesting, cos I hold Brainlove's opinions in higher regard than Diver's, even though Diver holds more weight - nothing to do with who does what though, mnore to do with the fact my music taste tends to be closer to Brainlove's. Shame you're packing in the writing John, I always enjoyed your reviews... not to say I dont like the other writers, its just from my viewpoint that quite a lot of the DiS writers tend to enjoy the same type of music, ie the shouty post-whatever stuff.


Thanks. You ain't seen the last o' me...

I've a Bearsuit live review in the next issue of Artrocker to start with, and plenty more going on... was writing about music for years before DiS, and will be after.


...

"its just from my viewpoint that quite a lot of the DiS writers tend to enjoy the same type of music, ie the shouty post-whatever stuff."

this is why some of you guys and gals SHOULD read the editorial, as this is hella NOT the case.


Is this one of those questions aimed at the 300,000 unique readers

rather than the 200 board users?

Rhetoorical question because, rather obviously, the bands that you discuss are not new. In particular, the British bands that are not London bands, are, generally, very well-known.


Well known to a select few message board lurkers, yes...

...but not to the wider world, as you rightly suggest.


I find it hard

(well, it's not hard, I'm just really fucking lazy) to differentiate between actual real bands that DiS is raving about, and those times when they post news stories about jokey, waste-of-time bands like MC Crabby Crab and Tracey and the clap etc.

(It's even harder when the bands are called stuff like Fuck Buttons, which sounds like the kind of thing a bunch of Dissers getting together and forming an oh-so hilarious ironic band would call themselves. I've not heard Fuck Buttons, by the way).

Also, a few recent reviews on DiS have tainted any respect I used to have for their reviews and opinions.

So yeah, recommendations from people on the boards carry far more weight than editorial recommendations


So to summarise this thread

DiScover is a complete waste, Mike can't write to save his life, the board knows more about music than anyone DiS employ and it's all predictable and worthless anyway. I'd suggest Mike would probably have had a more positive response had he covered himself in decaying loaves of bread and walked into a seagull sanctuary.


So when

can I start my 'Crooners Corner'?