but can see in retrospect they had some good songs. I wouldn't call them genius though, they're too derivative of other bands imo.

No. Shit + Shit = Terashit.

But I think Can't Stand Me Now and Don't Look Back Into the Sun are very good songs.

but not really now.

i think if doherty had committed suicide then they'd be genius

(see also : Ian Curtis thread)

Not the first band I loved, though. And actually I've never really loved them at all. But they were actually really good, or at least 'Up The Bracket' was. The s/t one was a heap of shit, and at least one of the melodies is stolen from a Nuggets song, but I think if it wasn't for the whole NME connection then people on here would be able to examine it much more objectively as a remarkably fine collection of songs. As well as also a brilliant exercise in mythos-making, but thats another story.

A few very good songs, usually badly produced on record, yeah !

They did basically get me into music, and were the first band I really loved. They also kinda made me love some things I still do nowadays in music, which is basically energy and honesty...

The Delaney
All At Sea
Mayday
Don't Look Back Into The Sun
Smashing
What A Waster
Never Never
Bangkok

in that order, for me.

were one of the worst bands of all time, and if you think otherwise you smell... of wee.

The first album remains really good, alhough I don't listen to it too much these days.

They are genius compared to, oh I don't know- a brass band made up of people with very very thin lips, but compared to good music, they are very average verging on poor and spectacularly annoying. Thanks for asking

they were actually rather good, especially in comparison to the awful dross they've inspired like the view and the arctic monkeys

But I did fall in love with them.

I reckon I saw them around 10 times. I first aw them in 2002, I was trying to get freelance work as a photographer. I took loads of pics of them at the Stoke on Trent sugarmill. I have still got the negs and I am dead proud of them.

I saw them at several pubs during their guerrilla gigging days. I went to one gig outside the Duke of Clarence pub In highbury and Islington. It was so packed that we couldnt get in, we had to watch them through the window.

Yes, they were a truly brilliant band. For one album that is. The second one was a complete let down.

if they were signed to sub pop, DiS would love them

made one decent album and even that wasn't that good. Babyshambles are just terrible, down in albion is ok but shotters nation is awful

maybe one day i'll meet someone who shares this deluded opinion.

When What A Waster came out I played it to death. Same with the first album. The second album was a massive let down though.

Second album, not so good

So far, so according to type. However, although DPT are obviously shite, Babyshambles are not immediately recogniseable as such. Shotters Nation is a very good record.

Absolute brilliance.

The rest: Well, it was downhill from there really, wasn't it?

but not a GREAT band.

I think Babyshambles might be better actually.

especially loved the tracks:

Death On The Stairs
France
Boys In The Band
Narcissist
I Love You But You're Green
Never Never
The Delaney
Music When The Lights Go Out

The 1st album is great but i would have preferred if Bernard Butler had produced it. The 2nd one is just ok. However, it is kinda a miracle there was a 2nd album at all because of the circumstances surrounding the band at the time

and I never did. Always struck me as a bland and derivative

i don't think so. they released a fairly decent first LP with some very good tracks, but the second album is just plain bad. they're very overrated in my opinion. each to their own though.

were ok. I never really got into them. A few songs were alright but I've never understood why they get as much praise as they do. Don't do anything for me at all.