Seriously the first time I've listened to it in about 4 years. Sooo fucking good. Now i've stopped being 14 and obsessed with Cobain's angst, I'm noticing the influence of all these bands I love now, all the sludgey solos and buzzing Vaselines guitars and tinny production. And the melodies. The fucking melodies are awesome.
And his lyrics aren't quite as bad as I thought.
But just all the buzzing and the sludge and the tunes and the riffs. SO FUCKING GOOD!
after that i order you to
listen to meat puppets II
i don't have it!
will i like it?
if you have a soul
curdt covered three of the songs from it on the nirvana mtv unplugged. the originals are soooo much better. and the rest is also amazing. meat puppets rule :D
bit of a hijack
but that meat puppets ep you posted a week or a bit more ago is sooooo ill! charz.
ps for relevance to thread, i agree nevermind is really good!
indeed it is
that album
is fantastic :) their earlier stuff aint so great though :(
lies
tinny production?
^
^
the production is the one of the only bad things about it
yeah
i mean, i know it's really rich. but there is something that sounds really tinny about it. like it's trying to sound really big and loud and commerical on the cheap
agreed
there's kind of a thin-ness to it, thats quite hard to place.
imvho
their shittest album.
Bleach
Unplugged
In Utero
Incesticide
Nevermind
You honestly think Bleach is the best?
it's cos he's
xtrue hardcorex
I would say Nevermind is the best
I don't care how uncool that makes me
obviously not
considering i put Unplugged just behind.
yeh
actually
it just makes you a wrongun
YAWN
.
absolutely
i can't pretend to have been there when they all came out; i probably got into them just before he shot himself in the face, but their harder, more grungey subpop stuff is, for me, more Nirvana than the later stuff, and i'm sure he felt that too. I don't find it easy to listen to, but that sums them up, for me, it's a hard and uneasy record, whereas Nevermind was kind of meant to be their breakthrough album and Unplugged was their epitaph, i think 'Bleach' was them at their primative best, yeah.
this is wrong
all wrong
The core of the album
is 'Drain You'. Then 'Breed' and 'Lithium'. I really like his songs and the 'tinniness' (even if it is so trying to sound big). Prefer In Utero and it is kind of overrated, end is quite patchy... plus I hate Grohl's drums so much.
PS: Meat Puppets II is amazing, you have to get it, 28 minutes of scuzzy faux-classic rock hardcore punk brilliance, it's perfect.
meat puppets II
is the epitome of shambling amateurishness mixing with genius to create beautifulness.
true
also it has the most brilliantly give a shit opening and closing tracks of any album, ever.
why
you hate grohls drums so much??? they're ace! proper fucking energy!
Hitting them as hard as possible
does not equal energy.
But actually, on Nevermind, they do probably work- largely in that it the entire rhythm section is so second-rate and pub metal-band that it just makes Cobain's songs somehow sound all the more transcendent.
'twas on R1
it sounded super good on radio...
utero for me though/
we had a big argument on here about this once
it turned out I'm the only person who thinks Nevermind is their best album.
This, of course, makes me wrong!
Good to see some objective Nevermind love - it is a true classic.
i'd never say anyone was wrong
people have their opinions, and it's good that they differ, else everything would be boring, no?
you are absolutely right
and wrong at the same time.
from what i remember
you were the one claiming that anyone who said anything other than Nevermind was either wrong or just a status-seeking hipster. PFFFT, ORMSBY, PFFFT! :)
that's exactly what i was saying
you wrong, status seeking hipster!
E very Nirvana album is amazing
In Utero is my personal fave, although I love them all.
I don't trust anyone who doesn't like Nirvana.
i agree with this sentiment entirely
Does it make sense...
to like Nirvana and think they're incredibly overrated at the same time?
Order of albums:
In Utero
Unplugged
Incesticide
Nevermind
Bleach
Listened to Nevermind too today
Is ludicrously good.
And Drain You has one of my favourite starts to a song.
(not a classic post)
drain you is the zenith of life
sorry to burst your bubble..
but i find nirvana to be somewhat overated.
and no, i'm not some snobby bastard.
Wrong
Answer.
'tis a good LP
In Utero is better though as is Bleach, but all three are quality LPs
5/10 album
The songs that are the best are Lithium and the other not-as-shouty ones.
The worst one is the one that starts with the voice.
The rest = average-poor.
Territorial Pissings =
the one that starts with the voice? That's the second best song on the album (lithium being 1st). The way it all collapses at the end is fucking epic.
If At First You Don't Succeed
try ,try again they say.Well ive tried and tried with this album to like it ever since it's release, but it just never happened.
I have now given up, Nevermind.
Nah.
Epic is the medley on Abbey Road.
That song is just rebellious children music.
I hope
you got a good price for your soul on the black market.
i hope
you look back in ten years and don't regret being an old man throughout your teenage years.
Thou Shalt
prefer teenage angst offerings in your teenage years to seminal albums of the past.
To paraphrase Chuck D
The Beatles were heroes to most but they never meant shit to me.
i wasn't saying don't like the beatles
i'm saying it strikes me as a bit odd that a 17 year old is basically telling someone in their 20's to grow up because they like Nirvana.
Fine to join in though!
Are you a total moron?
'I wasn't saying don't like the beatles.'
He wasn't saying you were.
'telling someone in their 20's to grow up'
Eh?
Whattacock.
whattacock i am!
back to the rebellious children music for this total moron!
It's just so hard to get around the production
of Nevermind. I would LOVE to hear those songs recorded the same way as In Utero.
And, in nearly every case in the world I believe people are entitled to their own opinions about things, but when someone puts their hands on their hips and starts barking about how Bleach was their best record, it makes me weep
it sounds like Nickelback
It's all pointless speculation of course
but imagine an alternate scenario where they decide to use Jack Endino or someone similar to produce Nevermind.
It would never have sold a fraction of what it ended up shifting because it wouldn't have been 'clean' enough for most of the radio stations that ended up playing it > Nirvana would have avoided the sudden megastar status that seemed to bug them so much > Kurt might not have killed himself.
That's how much I hate the production on that record - I blame it for Kurt Cobain's death. QED
That QED is in the wrong place
It's supposed to follow my sensible theory linking Butch Vig's production with the future death of the lead singer of Nirvana. It looked a lot more impressive when I formulated it as a flow chart on a blackboard
thing is though
cobain was already on heroin when they recorded it i think. he had some bizarre stomach complaint that no doctors could help with, but the heroin did. it was also dirt, dirt cheap at the time, seattle was flooded with it. so it's not like he wouldn't have been able to afford it if they'd stayed on sub pop.
I'll add it into my suicide equation
BV + H = X X
___
U
Damn you
auto left justify ruining my already borderline attempt at the Nirvana cross-eyed face logo
see if you can find this:
http://www.livenirvana.com/digitalnirvana/bootography/review9c78.html?filename=paradisolost
the recording quality is tip top (it's taken from a TV broadcast) and the songs all have so much more energy than the studio versions. 'drain you' in particular sounds amazing.
Cool....I might look into that
I mean, the Nirvana record I still listen to the most is From The Muddy Banks.... because it seems like the closest to the way they 'should' sound. The versions of Drain You, Aneurysm and Lithium on that are just something else - I've literally never heard a band sound that intense. The bit just before the final chorus of Lithium where he just does this ad lib growly thing still freaks me out every time
a couple of the tracks
on Muddy Banks are actually taken from that Amsterdam show. i think Lithium may be one of them, but my CD is on the other side of the room and I'm too lazy to go look.
No, I think you're right
There are definitely a couple of songs that were listed for that show in the liner notes. Unfortunately, the CD is on the other side of the room and I am also too lazy to go look
^ 5
the boy
could write a pop song, no two ways about it.
I like it but I never listen to it anymore. If i'm in the mood forthat sort of thing I listen to Copper Blue instead.