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Does the concept of the 'martyr' exist in any modern, civilised culture?
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Only at at fruit and veg stalls
where they are tuppence a pound.
of course
did it exist in primitive societies?
That would depend whether by 'martyr'
you mean suicide bomber.
Suicide bombing being perhaps the most selfish act on earth, even worse than those people who used to fail to rewind video tapes before returning them to Blockbuster.
puddletown?
errr
tolpuddle
I went to a TUIC event at Tolpuddle a few months ago.
Billy Bragg played and then Mark Thomas did a rant/stand-up set.
I'm not saying that they died for nothing, but, frankly a little more effort should have gone into it!
TUC.
.
What the hell were you doing at a TUC event?!
I thought you were one of the good ones on here!
Haha! Hi GG
Err...something about 'destroying the system from the inside...maaaaan!'
I had a free ticket, there was cheap beer and this left leaning (but otherwise LOVELY) girl I know had invited me.
I know not of this GG character.
Basically, you wanted to get laid, which is fair enough. We all do things we don't want to in pursuit of the pussy.
Depends on how you define
"modern, civilized culture". Obviously there are still religious martyrs in the Middle East and further afield, but are those places not modern or civilized? And are we in the West really that modern or civilized either? We still have martyrs, they are just not to traditional belief systems, eg Pete Doherty is a martyr to hackneyed old bullshit rock'n'roll cliches.
I was, largely, talking about religious martyrs.
Yeah
but talking about Rock'n'Roll martyrs is much more fun!
No
Because religion as a life-dominating factor does not exist either. Relgion has been reduced to going to Church on Sundays (for the small number that even do that), rather than something worth giving your life for.
This is the case in Britain and 'the West'
But not in the Middle East it would seem.
Indeed
And I was only reffering to the West. In the Middle East (and not only the Middle East) things are much less secure and balanced on various lines, leading to some/many to turn to their religion as the answer.
We don't really have that any more because we're in a period of stability on most accounts.
Therefore, the Middle is a less modern, civilised culture?
*Middle East
no
That's not really what I'm saying. I'm saying it's an unstable region. Due to various interlinked complicated factors. One, for instance, being the imposition of unnatural boundries by the old colonial powers (Kurdistan, Kashmir, Israel, Iraq.)
In a region with it's fair share of dictators, exterior interference and general lack of rights, people turn to spirituality and religion as their hope. Some then use it as an excuse to pursue nationalistic desires.
We don't have that here because, despite all our complaints, we're stable.
It's ok, you've been outed now.
Racist.
ha
I wouldn't say it's a laughing matter.
...
Yeah. Dennis Quaid in Independence Day is a prime example/