Oh Hayley, what have you done.
A fine ending to a superb mini-series. We saw an almost sensitive side from the supermarkets - a small pat on the back to Waitrose, Sainsbury's and co-op. ASDA, Somerfield and Morrisons denied chickens exist, whilst everyone else was kinda absent. The estate folk killed and ate their chicken. Some meatheads in a pub swore a lot and said they couldn't afford to not eat cheap chickens, as they supped on their premium lager. The town was declared almost free-range as although they'd converted a majority of fresh chicken purchases, this didn't account for ready meals, processed chicken etc. Fair play to those take-away places who whacked free-range on their menu, the kebab man does need a calculator though...
I'm gonna be even more free-range than i was previously as a result of this program (purchasing-wise). The end.
Ok, you're a great guy, we get it.
You're anti-battery farming. Hero.
Cheers.
Wanna touch me?
Not sure why Hayley
wasn't suspicious when she saw cameras down the chicken aisle.
Funny when that bloke though Hugh called him an arsehole. I was hoping at the end after they had reconciled and Hugh shook his hand he would quickly shout Arsehole and then run off.
One point is that free range is tastier than battery farmed yet this point wasn't emphasised that strongly and I believe it would be a better selling point than animal welfare.
That Tesco guy was a bit odd...
He was really sound to begin with, then when Hugh asked where all the posters were he got a bit moody leading up to the arsehole incident...being chucked out of Tescos is quite an achievement though...
I'm not sure he was even
the manager.
I wonder how the Chuffy Christmas feast went down
poor chuffy
mmmmmmm chuffy
Just imagine if they overcooked it or something...
they'd be mortified! They'd have to give Hayley a call...she'd polish it off, the fat bitch...
Fairdos though
Can't blame the Tesco guy, if I thought HFW had called me an arsehole I would have chinned him !
he would give you a shoeing
right there in the aisle
I doubt it
Especially when I've stuck Bernard Mathews turkey drummers in his eyes and and bag of chicken nuggets in his gob.
do you reckon this was
purposefully timed with the show:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7180018.stm
Probably...
I reckon it's had/gonna have quite an affect on the industry...
What happened to the Northern Irish guy though, that's what I wann know...!
he seemed quite a likeable fella
...i hope he hasn't been murdered by an angry industry rep...
:(
the highlight
was when they cut to the family who were eating the chicken and the guy said 'we're not eating Chuffy at the moment...Chuffy is nestled in the freezer for Christmas dinner'. Nestled???
thats supposed to have been happening for ages
but farmers keep saying they're not ready and the deadline is constantly pushed back:(
well done Hugh!
I felt a bit tearful when they killed Chuffy.
Chuffy's a stupid name though isn't it...
It's like 'Chuffer'.
me too
but I did appreciate the way they killed them. I can never watch that sort of thing cos it's usually so hideous, but that did seem very humane.
bored now
there's your answer =
you're an arsehole.
my friend got kicked off Deal or No Deal because he said "tbh", and it sounded like "you bitch".
I love Hugh, despite no being able to say his surname. I'm going to support his free range campaign, and try to get others to do the same. Those birds in the battery farm were disgraceful.
So what, another 2 quid a week extra? Just put that bottle of coke & pack of biscuits back on the shelf.
Great man, great campaign.
Did Neol think he was talking to him?
I hate Noel Edmonds.
No
The woman asked "if you think i should deal, please stand up". he was the only one. when asked why, he said "i think it's worth a gamble, tbh". Noel walks up and shows him a red card. mega-lolz.
Hopefully this 'book link works:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=505769579647
do you buy clothes made of fairtrade cotton?
if not, why not?
Do you?
I've got a few fairtrade items of clothing but to be honest there needs to be a bit of an improvement in the industry - it;s not like with free range chickens where the product's clearly better.
Fairtrade
is just a way of making profit for shops, it makes up about 1% of the market. So those farmers/clothes makers are really benefitting, almost as much as the shops. Yep.
WHY THE FUCK
did people get so fucking sentimental about the chickens?! if you're going to eat meat then you should be able to kill it yourself. or don't eat it at all. you bunch of fucking hypocrites. i hate meat eaters so much. so much.
...and they hate you.
And with you being meat, I know who's side i'd rather be on.
they hate me?
that's unsurprising.
klaire
so many issues
moving on, great show, good on you hugh
incidentally
I'm with claire on this. Though in a less aggressive manner.
It confuses me how people can come to the decision that chickens being kept in bad conditions is wrong, and then not see further than that and realise that, maybe, eating them at all is wrong.
any chump
knows animals are below us on the food chain
it is our responsibilty to ensure the life up to and including death is as pleasant and stress free as possible for the poor cunts
in
chicken in chains
yeaaahh here comes the rooster
if cows and chickens weren't being eaten
they wouldn't just be roaming the street free, they are bred to demand you complete numpty. i am going to punch everyone. (i am not too aggressive.)
but think of the little lamb, gamboling about the fields.
Those are the best times in a sheep's life. After that it is all down hill, especially as there is no botox or skin cream for sheep. Yes, we breed them and kill them but the argument is that the animal has some enjoyment of life and then dies. It wouldn't have nay enjoyment of any life if that weren't the case.
On to game. Deer are culled as if they weren't they would threaten agriculture by eating crops (ie the ones you eat), ditto with some birds. they need to be killed to keep our grain supplies flowing.
I think it's a fair enough compromise to give animals as good a quality of life as possible if we expect them to give their lives for our pleasure, I mean, we're all going to die anyway.
but the main point being raised in the programme
is that these animals are NOT having a good quality of life before they die. two thirds of eggs in this country are battery farmed, people care more about the amount of money they spend than the welfare of the animal they've eaten. which is kind of funny when you consider that as a country we spend more money on animal charities than any other charity.
people are not going to start caring about how these animals are treated as long as it inconveniences them to be doing so. ignorance and selfishness is what it all comes down to.
Fair points.
I've been changing my position a fair bit on animals and meat lately.
I'm finding it harder and harder to justify eating it but, in truth, millions of years of evolution have given us the right, and the canines, to do so.
If the animal can be given a good standard of life to balance out the whole dying for us bit then I think it can be acceptable. As such I am planning on changing my eating habits to exclude "harshly bred" meat and to eat less of it overall.
"millions of years of evolution have given us the right,"
i don't understand. do animals not have rights? why do humans think that they have the 'right' to do anything? if we were really the most intelligent species we would not be treating other animals in this way. it's ludicrous.
You make me sick, klaire.
Eating eggs. Drinking milk.
There are different standards in the world and different applications of morals and ethics. That's the cop out "what right do any of us have to judge one another?" argument but it normally holds strong...
Anyway, evolution does give us the right. If you trace it back through previous species and similarly related ones (eg chimps), they eat meat and we have the facilities and abilities to do so. Other breeds don't have choice (eg lions etc) but we do and that choice is what we get to make. We don't HAVE to eat meat, but some of us do and some don't.
This confrontational track never really wins out though. You'd be more successful telling people how much fatter they are if they eat meat and how much more likely they are to get e-coli or a parasitic infection.
i hope they DO get e-coli
*safety wink*
i hope they DO get obese and die in a freak gasoline accident
;) ;) ;)
Caused by being fat, I should hope.
Maybe a stray chicken bone gets lodged in their car causing it to explode.
hear hear!
I totally agree.
With Klaire
obv.
'incidentally'?
:(
*obviously
I agree with this.
It really annoyed me when Hugh FW was crying about killing a chicken the other night, or when Jamie Oliver on his Italian programme cried when he killed a goat. If you're going to be eating it, you should be okay with the idea of killing it.
why should you?
I like eating spuds but I'm not okay with the idea of getting on my hands and knees and pulling the bastards out the ground I'd rather someone else done that for me.
Well, I am okay with the idea of pulling up my own spuds.
because I quite like getting all muddy and doing garden related things. I wouldn't want to do it as a career, though.
for most people
it's just not the same thing. The reason people don't want to kill a lamb is not because they'd need to wash afterwards, or that they're tired, it's the whole killing thing.
I understand that
but why do people insist, like above, that if you eat it you should be prepared to kill it?
because otherwise you're being totally ignorant?
it's like you don't want to know that this chicken fillet burger was once called dave and had three best friends and her favourite food was corn?
why is it ignorant?
I don't really get your second point.
because you are basically saying
that you're happy to eat meat but you're not happy to know that it died for your pleasure. why can't you kill the animal but you can eat it?
No I'm not
I'm saying that I'm happy to eat meat, I know how was it bred and why it was killed but I don't particularly want to do the killing bit myself.
I could kill the animal if I had to but I don't really want to.
he is ok with the idea of killing it for food
he's not ok with the idea of killing them because they're not big enough, or because they're ill.
I grew up vegetarian and have started eating meat in the last couple of years, partly inspired by HFW.
Yeah good point actually,
it was because it was too small, wasn't it? Even so, I think the point still stands.
my sister's husband
is a bit of a moron, and he eats a vegetarian diet most of the time, except for when he goes to his friend's organic happy farm, and like, kills the animal himself. or sees it be killed. or something. i dunno.
i'd
quite like to kill a chicken
id kick it to death tho - much more humane
what wrong with that?
that's kind of what I'm like.
essentially
we believe that killing animals is wrong.
simple as that.
believe?
*know.
I'm good cop
you're bad cop
theres
nothing worse than a forceful veggie
yawn
i'm not sporadically
but this is a relevant thread. there's nothing worse than a predictable response to a valid answer. yawn.
Klaire, your arguments are all over the place.
Stop it. And hand over your leather boots/trousers/hat.
If I don't wear leather, can I continue?
pics pls.
i just like getting angry about things
i never claimed to be the martin luther king of vegetarianism.
more
jonathan king
hahah
closer to the truth than i'd like :(
I'd say that
insensitive, uncompromising carnivores are just as bad.
i think you're all pretty boring, really
change the record charbra
POT.
KETTLE.
BLACK.
racist
Question:
how much compromising are you willing to accept?
I don't plan on being a vegetarian but am prepared to make changes. What is acceptable?
for every animal you eat
you have to run around your local town center naked for an hour giggling, screaming "I LOVE MEAT IN MY BUMBUM"
I don't really care if you anyone's vegetarian/vegan
The things that most annoy me are:
a) the way that many carnivores react to vegetarians/vegans.
b) the fact that very few carnivores can admit that killing something is, essentially, wrong.
Fair enough.
a) I have utmost respect for vegetarians and vegans, it's a lifestyle I'd find incredibly difficult. Moreso for people who chose it rather than had the decision made for them in infancy.
b) With that I prefer to take the stance that the beastie would have had no life if it weren't for the farmer and consumer. As such it's a bargaining of what makes (premature) death a fair (!!!) deal. We don't get furious at chimps for eating meat.
Anyway, I'm done with this, I'm off to the pub.
b) where do you draw the line!??????????
I'm sure the plants you eat are pretty much dead once they enter your mouth...
well, i don't think i'd want to kill something
but i didn't mean he was a moron because of that. that's just my general view of him, and i tend to precede all anecdotes about him with an abusive comment.
haha
oh right, I'll let you off there then :)
being a vegetarian personally,
i dont think that eating meat is intrisically wrong, i am vegetarian due to the inhumane conditions in which meat is prepared and because A) i am too poor to afford meat of the high quality i require and cannot justify it when it is not a neccesity B) i am too cynical to trust the various protagonist in the industry
If i could afford to buy meat from a free range farm and visit it myself to see the conditions i would eat it
Our society
has developed into one that can no longer see the link from slaughter house to sunday dinner plate. In a sense, it is not anyone's fault individually. Buying meat from the supermarket post-life coincides with the trappings of a technologically advanced civilization (apparently). We aren't prepared to kill it because we haven't needed to for generations. It is a part of our ancestry that has been lost. Denying ourselves the nutrition available from meat seems like madness if we take into account our biological development and evolution around it.
The ethical question does still remain but with so much meat on the shelves everywhere i think it might have become irrelevant.
However, our society allows us to question the fibers of our moral laws producing(quite rightly) veggies and vegans.
I conclude: give chickens better sheds.