but they seem to be trying to make up for it as much as possible.
Annie Mac just introduced a Santogold song as being quite dubstep'y, presumably because it's got a bass line? That's the only really connection.
I loved the preview the guy from Radiohead did on Edith's show, for their playlist tonight, saying that "Thom has lined up quite a mix, there's some dubstep...Burial, and i've put some Brazilian music in aswell".
So, dubstep, about to blow up like grime and die? Please say no :( I almost orgasmed when i finally heard a dj play a good dubstep set at one of the camp dj areas at Leeds festival last year, i want that feeling again :( Not to just listen to Burial remixes and the one Benga & Coki song that's getting attention.
Does it exist beyond Burial?
Craig David?
it exists
irrespective of Burial.
Who else plays dubstep
Whiley
played Benga & Coki today, and sometimes uses various tracks as beds. I'd assume that Zane plays some.
What i'm trying to say is that they're trying to class loads of shit as dubstep when it isn't (some of it is though, of course), just to get in on the buzzword.
Oh look, Pete Tonge just used the Benga & Coki track as a bed.
burial isn't dubstep
.
burial is more atmospheric/ambient in places
kode9, benga, skream ect is more 'typical' dubstep
burials not dubstep ever
fuck you
Erm...
What about Mary Anne Hobbs?
Yeh
i suppose, plenty of respect for her with regards to this. I'm more talking about the djs on radio 1 that get the bigger amount of listeners like Jo Whiley, Zane Lowe etc.
Yeah but those 'DJ's' suck
so who cares?
Zane Lowe's
Probably been aware of dubstep for a while, and there's no way Annie Mac wouldn't have been, she's fairly clued up. Also, because of the Annie Mac connection, they've been fairly quick on the Dubsided/Speaker Junk/Hervé/Sinden wobbly bassline veering towards speed garage revival type stuff, which isn't a million miles away from dubstep
And Rob Da Bank
with his Dub Appreciation Society... And DJ's on 1xtra...
well she has to look up wikipedia to find out what it meant
so maybe not as clued up as you think
Considering...
the people she's associated with and the clubs she's played as a DJ in her own right, I'd be very very surprised if she hasn't heard a dubstep set or two in her time.
has mary ann hobbs not been promoting dubstep for yonks
she has had compilations out for a while and i heard someone play a dubstep dj set early evening (about 9) one night recently
its the grime for grown up white people though... right?
grime...
for skinny white middle class men, yeah.
i heard someone describe it as..
dinner party grime recently
:)
i saw Mary Anne Hobbs on an advert before
saying 'There's sooooooooooo much great music about at the minute'. Yup, try playing some of it then.
^this made me lol alot
I'd quite like Mary Ann Hobbs if she wasn't such a pretentious twonk. She does play some good music though, and her album/compilation is not too shabby either.
.
i hate how any sniff of enthusiasm for the music that a dj plays gets them labelled pretentious.
she is clearly a very passionate dj playing tunes that she loves. and they're frequently great.
^this
MAH rocks, and she's not a bad DJ in the club sense...
.
she's pretty bad, but she's got all the BANGIN tunes
Also...
This thread smells a little bit of "I'll feel less cool if this goes mainstream"
contender
for the most elitist post on DiS ever
Oh...
come on, there's no way that the DJs of Radio 1 *spit* will have heard of anything as cool and underground as dubstep, especially before I did. Despite the fact that some of the late night ones may well be friends with the producers due to their side jobs as working club DJs
^
A lot of the Radio 1 DJ's don't always get entire creative control over their playlists either so the stuff they listen to at home surely can't all make it onto the wireless
Maybe
but music has always been better when you dad doesn't know/understand it hasn't it?
dubstep
what the fuck is it?!
It's...
essentially slow drum and bass for white middle class men who can't dance.
Man
I hate people who have such a wrong opinion about something they know nothing about... Like whats the point?
i went to a dubstep night in cardiff
it was alright like.
So much ignorance in this thread.
Firstly Mary Anne Hobbes essentially broke dubstep to a far larger audience than the tiny scene it had existed as for several years with her 'Dubstep Wars' show, which was in early 2006 I think.
Secondly although dubstep is made by and listened to by more white people than Grime it doesn't make it the 'white' grime as last time I checked music didn't have a colour.
Also Dubstep isn't a 'version' of anything, it has existed as an independent genre for as long as Grime. Check this radio show from 2003 that discusses the emergence of '8-bar' (later to be called grime) and proto dubstep from the champagne swilling corpse of UK garage:
http://www.sushon.org/podcast/01%20The%20New%20Step.mp3
Ironically the show was broadcast on Radio 1, so take that whoever said they're always way ahead of radio 1, they were onto that shit before it even had a name!
^ lacks ignorance.
>just discovered ^
quite right
the arguments about cultural authenticity are retarded anyway. A type of music doesnt have to justify itself in that way. Its like when people get really righteous about the blues, its annoying.
i might have meant
ownership
I dont think its retarded..
dubstep its firmly rooted in black music history... yet it is seen as a "safer" and "whiter" version of grime.
It may not be true, acurate or even fair to say that... but it is valid.
I think, as is often the case,
what is actually a class issue is mislabeled a race issue.
Dubstep is very much continuum music - part of the UK dance music lineage that stretches back through UK Garage, d'n'b & jungle all the way to UK Hardcore. For 'nuum communities race has never really been an issue, or an identifying factor within the music, whereas class has always been pertinent: 'nuum music, especially in the earliest stages of each genre, has always had predominantly working class audience.
Of course music of predominantly black origin was incorporated into the 'nuum community at different points. For example the influence of reggae & dancehall led to ragga jungle. But equally predominantly 'white' styles of music have had huge influence, techno for UK hardcore and US House for UK Garage.
When UK Garage split into Grime & dubstep it could be considered to have largely done so along class lines. Grime is a very urban music, made by inner city kids on council estates, whereas dubstep is 'the sound of the suburbs' as pointed out in the documentary above. And I think here lies the perception that the dubstep is 'safer', not because it is whiter, which it undoubtedly is, than grime but because it is more middle class.
Right
Irs think thats its a bit dangerous to deal in the sort of argument where a pejorative view seems to rear its head where its very often just a question of difference. Its just that often its seems like whats being expressed this continual idea that origin should be celebrated, and while it might be important to know, it doesnt necessarily automatically mean that has more value than some apparent variation
*is this continual
a higher percentage of black people are working class!!!111!!!
I
didnt realy know what dubstep was... or at least I didnt think I did but it terns out I was DJing with it freakin ages ago in with all my breakbeat stuff and didnt even know it..... according to this radio 1 documentry anyway
Dubstep
is shit compared to bassline house.
who's compare them?
*who'd
No-one
I guess.
:|
Yeah.
Bassline is silly fun dance music that lives in world where 2 step never happened and speed garage ruled for evah like.
Dubstep, at its best, is weighty soulfull music. And although it can make a dance floor writhe, alot of it is equally suited to emotionally involved home listening.
Whats to compare? I suppose the huge basslines, the fact that their both made on computers & their debt to UK garage, but in terms of style not much.
Very
succinct summary.
There's nothing wrong with bouncing basslines, I play a lot of bassline house when I DJ so I've become accustomed to more upbeat and vocal tracks I suppose.