have no desire to live in this country. i completely disagree with the direction, socially and politically that we are heading. After ive got a degree (and hopefully) a masters.
Does anyone else of a similar age feel the same?
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bye!
the problem is where would you go?
Where else stands out for you?
well
from what ive read of your ideas and beliefs I pretty much agree with everything you stand for and say :/
and which country do you agree with the way it's going
socially and politically?
I
dont know, but somewhere that doesnt make me care :/.
er japan, even china.... or at least if i was fighting against an ideology dieing for a just worthy cause.
...
No. But I is the sine qua non of brutality. I'm going to listen to it now.
nah
just get out of the city and live in the countryside/coast.
are you
phil collins?
sheesh
that was hard to click on.
and wasnt really worth it
I agree
I want to move to Switzerland. Although getting a job well paid enough to do so's going to be tricky. But totally with you on your feelings.
Have a good flight.
Send a postcard.
Britain misses you.
Etc.
Bloody emmigrants!
Going over there, taking their jobs!
II
don't know anywhere that doesnt make me care about being in a 'democracy' and is constantly hypocritically and shoving the idea of freedom in my face.
Where i can actually live, rather than being told how to 'live'.
Anywhere that isnt turning into america (which twice voted in geoge bush!) i dont care that i can get 100's of digital channels if they are all shit, i dont care that i can keep up with sports teams goings on 24/7.
Id rather live in a place which put empahis on people living and helping each other, I dont want to make money, neither do i not want to.
I honestly couldnt care less, i watch bruce parry in the tribe and wish I was as naive and free spirited as most of them.
II
don't know anywhere that doesnt make me care about being in a 'democracy' and is constantly hypocritically and shoving the idea of freedom in my face.
Where i can actually live, rather than being told how to 'live'.
Anywhere that isnt turning into america (which twice voted in geoge bush!) i dont care that i can get 100's of digital channels if they are all shit, i dont care that i can keep up with sports teams goings on 24/7.
Id rather live in a place which put empahis on people living and helping each other, I dont want to make money, neither do i not want to.
I honestly couldnt care less, i watch bruce parry in the tribe and wish I was as naive and free spirited as most of them.
I think we'd all like to live in The Tribe, rob.
http://tinyurl.com/yvy8es
Nobody's...
forcing you to buy into those notions, though. Who on earth is telling you how to live, because they don't appear to be telling me. And if you don't give a shit that you can get 100s of digital channels, don't give a shit about getting 100s of digital channels, you don't need to move to another country, or even escape to some commune where everybody eats stuff they've grown and stinks the place out with awful farts. Why not focus on what you do actually care about rather than assume you're having things you don't forced upon you.
^ This is true
But its too easy not too care about anything... Maybe its just me, I need satisfaction, and I though I think I can get it by buying something I dont really need, I cant. Hence needing to get away from such a materialistic society, which you cant deny, is one that most people in Britain live in...
Yeah...
but that's not to say you need to be the same. I really don't understand people that complain that society is too materialistic, because nobody's forced to buy into it, and the moment you think it's too materialistic, you're lucid enough to break away from it.
If someone's finding it too easy to be apathetic, the problem lies with them, not society. "I wish my life was more of a struggle because then I'd care about more things" is a ludicrous statement of middle class guilt.
read
www.amazon.com/Mediated-Media-Shapes-Your-World/dp/1582343578
id rather subscribe to something which has the ideal of helping people (even if they dont succeed) than something which promotes some self interest and materialism...
It's...
still middle class guilt talking.
If you want to subscribe to something that has the ideal of helping people rather than helping yourself then get a job in a societal role and donate all of your disposable income to charity. No society on earth truly works on that ideal, but again, you can if you so wish, society doesn't control you.
The media shapes us, but we control what media we absorb, and if you surround yourself with worthwhile media, it can shape you in a worthwhile way.
heh
i dont know why bring class into it, define middle class or working class and ill tell you if i am or not...
middle class guilt...
as in "I live comfortably, but romanticise those whose life is a struggle, despite the fact that it's my comfortable life that affords me the mind to care about such things, rather than whether I'm able to put food on the table"
A
mediated society is not somewhere i want to live. I used to look at america and think that thank god we werent as stupid as they were percieved. now all i see is people who are equally misinformed.
http://www.orwellrollsinhisgrave.com/
But...
surely wherever you live, the majority of people will be misinformed people trying to be as comfortable as they can be with as little effort as they can. That's not confined to the US or UK. Strangely enough, the majority of the world's population is mediocre.
a
few of us used to watch fox news in the morning as a form of comedy, now i just flick on sky news and its just as bad...
England's a horrible horrible place
the people that romantacise if are generally the ones who've left. there's absolutely nothing endearing about modern English culture.
* it
-
i'm not sure there ever was
anything to romanticise unless you were extremely rich and privileged
things are probably better here than they ever were before
better
in what terms? great i can buy a 40 inch tv for less than a months pay check. Great I can afford to subscribe to sky,
great I cant afford to buy 80 pounds worth of pre packaged food from 1 of 3 supermarkets a week... great....
well, don't buy prepackaged
food for a start.
you could go to a farmer's market and do very well out of £80
no
ones forcing anything upon me, but its this idea that you must be weird or a fool if you dont take something which is there for your convenience.
Why would i fight against commercialisation as it makes life so much easier.?
whose idea is it you're a fool
if you don't take something which is there for your convenience?
if you want to experience some raw living, go somewhere else by all means, but i don't see how any political protest will get what you want
I
dont even think this is politically protest...
its more an expression of the way i feel.
Just out of interest does anyone here admire america?
I dont know being pro Russia or China to me seems just as valid as being pro america or britain. meh im probably some sort of stereotype etc. great.
I quote george orwell.
'It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.'
'I worked out an anarchistic theory that all government is evil, that the punishment always does more harm than the crime and the people can be trusted to behave decently if you will only let them alone'
Being...
pro-any country is as ridiculous as being pro-any other country. There's nothing wrong with Russia or China, but the fact that most people living in them struggle to get buy for basic survival. why would you want to live in a country where life is harder? Not necessarily that you can't buy a 40 inch flatscreen TV, but more in that, on order to exist on a day to day basis and have the basics of food and shelter, you have to work more and have less time to do what you want. Russia's a great country with a rich history, but being an average worker there, it must be a hard life.
being
an 'average' worker [whatever that means] in this country is probably just as hard a life. apart from the fact that you have more money you are stuck in an repetive office job [data inputting, sales] or working shelf stacking at a supermarket being made to care about something you dont give 2 shits about.
ah
that sounds like some enemy/ordinary boys [insert shit band here] lyric :((. meh i give up
...
If you just wanted to scrape a living, though, you could probably just go part time and have the same kind of lifestyle you would working full time in a poorer country.
Also, work's a constant, wherever you live.
Who...
on earth subscribes to a generic view of "modern english culture", though? Modern english culture is whatever you want it to be, and if you don't like the ASBO'd teens on the estate or whatever, don't be an ASBO'd teen.
Man
I feel the same way... I feel no passion about the life I'm living here... I feel like such a parasite, a consumer, having no real impact or anything or anyone... As soon as I finish my Masters, I am outahere. Hopefully I'll be able to work pretty much anywhere I want tho'.
However this is a pretty good place to bring up children etc. Good welfare, education, health, so I'll probably be back
Stop moaning
you whining bastards.
If you don't like things, make a difference. Do something exciting.
GET OFF THE INTERNET!
DESTROY THE RIGHT WING!
but
its not even the right wing... not that im opposed to the right wring. I probably oppose the left wing as much as right.
Its more an expession of not caring and people being judgmental or trying to make me care. Its just that increasily i feel that more people are trying to stop people being actually free to do what they want.
It was a Le Tigre lyric
it was more the sentiment than the literal meaning of it.
In what way...
are you being stopped from doing what you want, though? As long as it's legal, you can do and care about exactly what you want.
Man
I'm biding my time, man. Just you wait.
II
dont care that i have so much choice - well at least you have a choice. Id be just as happy having 1 or no choice.
So...
You'd be happier in an oppressive regime where typing what you just have would mean you'd be nervous the authorities could be knocking down your door at some point? Happier knowing that you were only ever allowed one child in your whole lifetime? Happier that the culture and living expenses in your country mean that you'll probably be working 10 hour days 6 days a week?
I
would neither be happier or unhappier, I would be...
I dont want to get into a debate about China, but does anyone really believe that somewhere as geographcially big as china has a goverment force parolling every single suburb making sure no bad word is said about them...??
We are shit so are other countries, they should not aspire to be like us or america - neither should we aspire to be like them.
That wasn't...
all necessarily about China. The fearing for your life after speaking out against the government could be one of many countries, and the working prolific hours because of the high living expenses was more in reference to Japan.
Do you really care what your country aspires to be? Surely it's more important what you aspire to be than where you happen to live.
i
not sure, in my opinion it has alot to do with expectations people put upon you as well.
There is an expectation that you will want certain things,some thread [cant rememeber off hand] the other day probably backed this up, about a job > family > well paid career > die.
yeah...
I was going to go on a rant in that thread as well. Who on earth's expecting you to go the whole job->family->well paid career->die route? It's not the 1950s anymore, there's not the societal pressure to conform to that that there once was. People are getting married later, living alone longer, it's not frowned upon to not want children, it's fairly common for very well educated people to get comfortable but not especially well paid jobs that don't require the level of education they have, because they're not careerist. It's acceptable to live a modern version of a bohemian existance, and the fact that living is fairly comfortable here makes that fairly easy.
well
"but does anyone really believe that somewhere as geographcially big as china has a goverment force parolling every single suburb making sure no bad word is said about them...??"
they've had half a century of rule to sort that out now, so i'd expect so..
the interior of china is, from all accounts i've read, a hellish wasteland of povety, slave labour, factories and polluted wastelands.
I
dont disagree, but that is sometimes our own doings.
The major cities by all accounts are not nice places to live. And i could rad something which disagreed with that...
There are cities which are basically dumping places for electronically waste from western (I dont even know what this means anymore? is europe included? its safe to assume uk and america though) countries is shipped over there and burned. Wallmart is hardlly a great example - www.walmartmovie.com/...
Shit is shit,
and we are just as shit as them...
Totally.
But probably for different reasons.
I think this country's been incredibly ruined beyond repair over the last few decades.
I think its sentencing that makes me the angriest. Left wing ideologies when it comes to crime don't only disagree with mine, but they make me furiously angry if I let myself think about it enough.
There aren't many things I hate more than this attitude people have towards criminals, that 'everyone deserves a second chance' and 'nobody has the right to take anybody else's life' etc.
At the moment they're talking about 'reforming the bail system' because two bailed people murdered people whilst on it.
Community service etc. It infuriates me. Give capital punishment a trial for maybe four or five years tops. If crime levels drop, keep it. If not, get rid of it. There's no harm in trying. But it solves everything: its a deterrent, prison space is freed up, no money has to go on 'community courses'.
But I do think
we live in the most civilised country in the world. I think we're often a bit too civilised for our own good though.
What is civilisation?
Whats the standard were up against? Surely we're just as civilised as we think, and therefore its all in our heads... Right?
though I don't agree with your points
I can understand them.
This rob character is a bumbling fool though.
I rarely agree with you, but I always admire how eloquent you are. Nice work.
loathe as i am to even bother...
"Give capital punishment a trial for maybe four or five years tops. If crime levels drop, keep it. If not, get rid of it. There's no harm in trying. But it solves everything: its a deterrent, prison space is freed up, no money has to go on 'community courses'."
do you honestly think that it was abandoned in the past because of namby pamby liberals who just want to hug criminals?
furthermore, do you realise that, pre- 19th century penal code reforms, the death penalty was applied for a huge variety of crimes, and it had bugger all then?
what you're suggesting is nothing new or revolution, and it's been proven wrong by both history and by current examples around the world.
Join the Peace Corp
but you won't do that, will you?
I sympathize to the extent that I'm fed up with SoCal myself and feel the need to move on, that I'm also restless. But that's as far as I go.
You sound like a petulant child here who's compelled to bite that hand that feeds you.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you'll one day soon realize how ungrateful this thread reads.
^ *abandon reply*
but
thats it, is it ungrateful?...maybe i should go somewhere and position myself into some place which is perceived to be 'far worse' than our country, like some 19th early 20th century writer.
zzzzzzzzzz
Is it me or is easy_rob self pitying, boring, naive and incredibly lacking in self awareness??
all
3 i hope and more :], but at least i am.
i
dont think im naive though, but how would i know right?
big bird would turn in his grave
technically there was 4, but who's counting.
Move to Bournemouth, we've got........
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11/10
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