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Fuck me yeah
Coltrane recorded this live album only months before he died. It sounds as if he knows it. It is so quiet that you can hear the sound of the traffic outside the venue, and so loud that it bends all light inside your room and cavalcades exploding stars outside your window. Truly extraordinary, in the proper sense of the word.
It is clearly jazz, however.
True, true
But not 'jazz' in a "Coltrane's that guy who did Blue Train and Giant Steps" kind of way. Although I love all of it I think a lot of people don't realise how radical Coltrane was.
I only posted that because I was reading Ben Ratliff's otherwise superb new book on Coltrane and I got to page 113 - "no worse-sounding musical document has ever been issued in full by a major record label" (possibly true) and then "the recording can't be taken seriously; it can't be counted". Wrong. Idiot. The reason Impulse! issued it because it went beyond anything he'd done before; Meditations, Ascension, even Interstellar Space. You can hear all of that in the record. I'm sure there is much more commercial unreleased material kicking about. Like you say it's the sound of someone staring death in the face and converting into pure sound.
Anyway I wasn't really expecting anyone to reply to that, especially at this time on a Friday, so I'm fucking chuffed that you did. Cheers.
I'm gonna
need your address actually cos I shall have to direct the police there soon. I'll be pointing and saying "It was his fault, he told me to do it". It's late and I want to hear this again now. Loudly, but I don't think my neighbours are gonna like it much. Grr.
I'll have to check out that book.
Get the Ashley Kahn book
on Love Supreme too. It covers his whole career but loads of great photos and separate bits on the 'lyrics' that kind of thing. I seriously love Coltrane.
Stick on Olatunji as loud as you possibly can and then point the Feds in the direction of Somerset. I stand by my actions.
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brilliant record. rashied drums like a motherfucker
Correct
He is even better on Interstellar Space, if only because you can really hear what he is doing. I am listening to Battle at Armageddon (Rashied Ali with Alice Coltrane) right now.
All this Coltrane love is making me very happy.
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i dunno, i think he has got more fire in his belly on olatunji. he's just all over it. there's such pulse in his playing
Funnily enough
I've just compared the 2 myself and I think you're right. Intstellar Space is very special but Olatunji is something else. I guess that's why all my favourite Coltrane albums are the live ones.
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i still think braxton pips him as my favourite saxophonist
have a listen to this (my group), see what you think
http://zebox.com/cgi-bin/artists/dl.cgi?assemblypointthree_-_Senna.m3u+qp+m1
I'm not a Braxton expert
although I've downloaded some of the Iridium concert after the Wire recommended it. It's great, please recommend me some more. I hope he turns up on the next Battles record.
He was the subject of jazz library last week, still available to listen to here http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3_aod.shtml?radio3/jazzlibrary
although the podcast seems to have disappeared. If you don't catch it and you want to listen to it PM me and I'll try and send you the podcast.
I'm all about Coltrane although I love Ayler and Archie Shepp too. And Cecil Taylor while we're on free jazz.
I like your group. It's really simple, in a good way. What are you playing and where are you based?
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done and done.
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oh as for braxton get 'for alto', and thelondon concert from 2005..his sextet played on a double bill with cecil taylor, bill dixon and tony oxley on the other half.........best gig i've ever been to. ever
I'm so jealous
I didn't know about that gig but I used to live in the south east and got to loads of those kind of gigs at the RFH and Barbican (Ornette, Zorn x 4, McCoy Tyner, Dave Douglas, Tim Berne, Matthew Shipp). Now I live in the West Country, when they announced the Ornette/Taylor concerts for the reopening of the RFH I was gutted I couldn't go. I downloaded that gig ages ago and forgot about it, I'll have a listen now. I have a great Taylor/Oxley duo gig from Italy too which is well worth a listen. Is the 2005 gig available as a commercial release?
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aye they released it soon after. i think it's just called live in london or something
in fact here it is. 2004. and quintet not sextet. i am an idiot!
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/7008125/a/(London)+2004:+Live+At+The+Royal+Festival+Hall.htm
incredible.
mf's
I can hear a strange banging. It wasn't on the CD before.
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The only banging I'm aware of is of the Rashied Ali variety.
on the subject of free jazz
i just bought noah howard's "black ark", thats fucking incredible. the drumming on the first track is just constant, its amazing.
the ben ratcliff book on coltrane is good, ive only just started but its full of super interesting stuff.
ive never heard the olatunji concert, but my fave coltrane is Ascension. theres just nothing that comes close to it for me, in any form of music anywhere.
im intent on starting a band thats like interstellar space+aggression.
OH! and Pete Brotzmann's Machine Gun record, THATS some aggressive free jazz.
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machine gun is heavy shit.
Ravi
Coltrane anyone?
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hm not so much
It's great
I really like Fuck De Boere as well and his Die Like A Dog quartet which is a tribute to Albert Ayler. He was amazing with Hann Bennink at ATP in 2006, part of an amazing saturday afternoon triple bill with Corsano/Flaherty/Yeh and Mats Gustaffason/Eye. I think even people who would never listen to free jazz were impressed with them in a live context. Hann Bennink is really funny live he liberates the music from some of its 'seriousness'.
That was re. Brotzmann,
oviously. I don't really know Ravi Coltrane beyond his work on Alice's last album.
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bennink is best wish misha mengelberg, i reckon
that saturday afternoon was killer.
machine gun
is an absolute killer. everything that brotzmann was involved with in that period is totally fucking insane - and yeah, his set with han bennink at atp was one of the highlights. i'd recommend checking out masayuki takayanagi, kind of brotzmann's jap counterpart. awesome early jazznoise.
i've not heard this coltrane concert, sounds pretty spiffing - my favourite of his is still his acid binged masterpiece 'om', even though he apparently disowned it before he floated into nirvana ....
anybody
in london want to join my new free jazz band thing?