Were the views of your parents a big influence, either in that you developed similar opinions or deliberately moved away from them? Or did some event shape your political beliefs (loads of people old enough to remember the closing of coal mines for example have developed left-wing views for instance). Or is it just more that seeing things a certain way just seems to come naturally to you?
Pointless thread probably...
A bit of the first two
But can I submit 'Asda' as my comedy response?
Thanks
No problems.
This is boring, can I change the title to 'When was the first time you got a blowjob?'. Ta.
Asda.
Not Netto?
I imagine all their employees are buxom blondes
As a regular Netto shopper
I can confirm they are not.
Then, I go for their Ferrero Rocher (approx 6p per choc- they really are spoiling us) and 4p noodles. Not to get a semi on.
From my parents
when i was 10. They were very liberal.
i see what you did there
listening to Billy Bragg and New Model Army innit
Mostly parents, I guess
looking back, I can't see where any other strong lefty influences could've come from in my life, and it's too much of a coincidence to say i developed similar opinions to my politically bothered parents all on my own
LIDL
One day I went to Lidl, and got some politics.
My mum's family were very active communists and risked their lives in the East Pakistan war of independence . My dad was a member of the Conservative Association in Essex. I disagree with both of them on every thing ever. So not sure.
definitely not my parents
Being open-minded shapes your political views
and RATM
It certainly isn't my mother
The massive racist bint. I suppose living in an old mining community might have had something to do with it, maybe. But I doubt it really.
my dad is the racist in my family
my mum is more liberal, but i think i just ended up getting too stoned
not really my parents,
in that they didn't tell me to vote in a certain way, but i certainly think the morals instilled in me by them led me to a liberal/left wing view of the world, as did reading so much literature and listening to so much music; manics, fugazi, dead kennedys.
^
by the above i am implying that all right wingers have no sense of empathy or morality, just so we're clear.
One of my best friends is a staunch Conservative
and a massive Manics fan
is he a thicky?
Not at all actually
He is one of the most intelligent people I've met. Infact, this has just given me an idea for another thread...
you can be intelligent and right wing
but is he open-minded?
Yes, he's a genuinely lovely person
But I don't really need to defend him on here
these people
are almost as bad as thatcher loving smiths fans.
So I already know your answer
to the other thread I've just started on the Music board then ;)
Stealthy?
also
probably the fact that i didnt have a particularly happy childhood has given me an overactive conscience in regards to other peoples suffering and my imagined or real responsibility for it/opportunity to change it. which is pretty stupid really.
conversely,
my pretty happy childhood and abundance of opportunities has given me an overactive conscience in regards to other people's suffering as i feel incredibly lucky to have had as much as i did (not that we were rich by any means).
looking forward to
ClicheGuevara's response...
pretty obvious isnt it?
from papa?
by which i'm saying that
i think more people come to left wing politics of their own choosing, whereas all young right wingers i know are that way due to the influence of their parents
I'd disagree with this
So would I
^
trust fund kids
(i am not being totally serious today)
OR AM I?
(no)
OR AM I?
(probably not)
Hehe
God I wish I was a trust fund kid!
you want to have dreadlocks THAT much?
you get a beard warmer too
and a warehouse space, and an art project, and a members club. you definitely have to be a member to be in the club.
and when you do eventually get a real job
you get to keep the club and warehouse space. although the latter becomes a "loft apartment".
Listening to Lostprophets in 2002
Yes, I would have killed for dreadlocks!
DUN
DA DUH DA
DUN DUN DUH DA DA
In fact can I change the title again
'Why are poor people so terribly shit at everything?'
Dunno. The Clash?
It wasn't from my parents, they never really talked about politics (I guess because one was a Tory and one was Lib Dem and it would just have ended in an argument).
I want to write Chumbawamba
because it's partly true. But I think it's a wanky answer.
It was engrained in me
to hate Margaret cunt Thatcher and to be proud of coming from a family of miners.
Are you an anarchist?
And when the revolution comes, will you be lining up the lapdogs of oppression and imperialism and...throwing buckets of water over them?
Exactly.
Nah. They take things a little bit too far at times, but I think there lyrics and sleevenotes and stuff, even if I disagree with them, certainly opened my eyes to a lot of stuff.
Obviously not a dictionary.
REPLY NI THE RIGHT PLACE, BAM
Northern Ireland?
v Because Marilyn isn't l33t enough v
How is that not in the right place?
hi
yes
I'm listening to chumbawumba as we speak
hi
sent away for them
with 10 Shreddies box tops and £3.99.
A combination
of The Sun, The Times and Loose Women
i was a manics fan
RAIN DOWN ALIENATION
:D
The Daily Mail
ie. it was my parents paper of choice and it completely disgusted me and made me the wet liberal I am today.
Concise answer: The Daily Mail make me wet
(sic)
There's nothing sic about my love for Melanie Phillips
John D. Traynor
Difficult one
I know people claim these things are initially formed by rebellion against parents beliefs but my dad is pretty liberal/left and my mum is an old Labour supporter. That meant that, at about the age of 16, I used to defend conservative viewpoints to cause rows at the dinner table.
My grandparents were also quite old fashioned socialists, Fabian Society members etc. I think that being surrounded by lefties gave me a sense of social justice but education stopped me being a socialist.
thats always the depressing part
realising that your views are hopelessly unrealistic and dont really work and wouldnt ever work unless you reset the world and made everyone reasonable and empathic.
My mum mainly.
She is very left-wing and liberal, almost in a hippy kind of way. I don't like to admit this but I must of got my beliefs from her.
Certainly my parents are a big factor
My parents (especially my Dad) are pretty left-wing with a strong sense of fairness and social justness and a hatred of hypocrisy and I think I got a lot from that. Certainly it's directly 'cos of my Dad's infleunce that I find it hard to find any circumstnaces in which I'd advocate private healthcare for myself/my family or private educaton for my children.
Later to that, a lot of my views recently have come from my reaction to hanging out with some 'extreme left' people and getting frustated with the simplificiations, inaccuracies and inconsistencies in a lot of left-wing thinking, which has pulled me round to thinking some real questions about how to engage in left-wing politics in an intelligent and sensible way.
sociology is good for that
it has taught me quite a lot. My lecturer is a Marxist and I'm in the process of being converted.. as long as I pass the exam.
I'm far from convinced that Marxists as a general rule
lead the field of "engaging in left-wing politics in an intelligent and sensible way"
I'm far from convinced
that centre-left types do either.
Not that I am a Marxist, just that they are fun to study and take positions that offer an alternative to mainstream politics that really should exist more prominently in my opinion.
Obviously I'm being overly-general
It was just the idea that someone being a Marxist automatically means they're teaching an intelligent and sensible debate frustrated me. I know some very intelligent and sensible Marxists.
I also know some Marxists who are complete political idiots whose 'politics' essentially boil down to a childish and petty hatred of anything the US to do and a desire to praise and lionise anyone anti-American or anti-Western no matter how fucked up their beliefs might be.
I thought the same way about Marxism
before I took sociology. It might not be sensible, but it's definitely intelligent, well imo.
people
who's knowledge of marx is derived from doing sociology at a-level infuriate me. do you actually have to read any of his original writings?
I never had to
Had to reads loads of stuff by other 'Marxist' writers though.
By which I mean my knowledge of Marx specifically is pretty poor
I'm in uni
with a completely different system as I live in NZ. No I haven't read any of his original writings, but I probably will out of interest. I'm taught by a Marxist lecturer and have read a few of his own papers.
Have you read any criticisms of his own papers?
To be honest I think it's very hard to judge the merit of any argument or poltical position until you've looked at the argument against it.
no, I'm new to Marxism
Just that my lecturer seems to convince me that it's a good ideology. I don't call myself a Marxist, but I think I support it. yea I should read some critiques.
The thing is the word Marxist
tends to, for good or ill, imply a wide range of post-Marx thinking too so it's probably as relevant as it should be for a Marxist to have actually read Marx.
I've been tought a lot of Marxist media theory at Uni.
I found it interest at time but in retrospect a lot of the theories I taught are quite flawed.
My fundamental problem with a lot of Marxist thinking (not of Karl Marx but of later 'Marxists') is that it takes what was fundamentally an economic theory based around 19th century societies with a clear distincition between a powerful elite and a powerless majority. Trying to apply it to
a) areas of life not solely governed by economic principles
b) societies where the social distinctions are less clear
becomes far more problematic.
yes, no theory is perfect
you make some good points. I still think that using Marxist theory is a good way to make sense of the economic/political world, but yeah it does become problematic when Marxists try to apply it to other things.
b) is tricky, yes
But a) isn't a problem, because the whole point of Marx is that he explains all of human interaction as being material and economic in nature, giving rise to the superstructure etc etc (as stated in the Preface to Preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy, among other places). I'm a bit of a Marxist sympathiser - some of his thinking I find genuinely brilliant and hard to discount, and similarly some of the thinkers who followed (I have a soft spot for Gramsci in particular), but I couldn't embrace it fully.
I'm an anarchist, which is why I'm sympathetic to some of his writings, but not his implorings towards active revolution. It's clear to me from speaking to other people on the far left (not that anarchism is inherentley left-wing) that not even those who seem most dedicated to change have little to no idea of the grand scheme of things. I don't think I do, either, but at least I don't use what understanding I do have to claim to have the solution to everything. I used to be a member of Greenpeace until I read more about GM crops and nuclear power. I HATE the idea of nuclear power, but to think that there can't be compromise this once drives me up the wall.
But yeah, my politics? Quite radical, in that I think a state is inherently unjust by its very nature. Definitely didn't come from my parents, who are typical centrist Tories (ie, vote for that party because they always have, and not for the policies - try to pin them down on what they truly believe and the Lib Dems and Labour share most of the same positions anyway). It's more that, from a young age, I've never thought that the way the world works sounded right, and no matter what justifications were given for certain actions by those older than me certain people always ended up getting screwed. So I went to the left, as a typical liberal at first, then slowly drifted, flirted with Marxism, then discovered libertarianism, and then anarcho-syndicalism, and now I'm hovering somewhere around what's called anarcho-capitalism. It's basically anarcho-syndicalism with a free market, because people on the left who think capitalism is inherently unjust don't seem to know what capitalism actually is, treating it as a synonym for consumerism.
But then this of course depends
on whether you agree with all human interaction being material and economic in nature.
I don't, necessarily.
It's not 'all interaction is material'
But rather that all human interaction stems from material interaction. You can't have poets and artists without farmers and carpenters, and your society won't produce somebody like Kant if there's a serious water shortage.
I don't really have a single set ideology
But studying politics, I'm really beginning to warm to anything a bit radical.
Apparently
there is reasonable evidence that political stance has a genetic component.
Thank you, Social Psychology class!
I love Social PSychology!
I hate to break it to you.
But it's not a real subject.
r u sure?
because I've just taken a social psych course.
Got B- so there!
My politics come from straight out of my arse.
I will give a serious answer later. YOu may be disappointed.