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Why do Pitchfork still review Mars Volta?

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by colonel_cumbersome

Everyone knows where they stand.

I think they secretly love them.

colonel_cumbersome | 07 Feb '08, 13:11 | Send note | Report this | Reply

Because, just like me,

they want to find out if they've finally begun to exercise some quality control over their music and make the fantastic album they're clearly capable of but are yet to achieve?


^

this


deloused was pretty special

but i agree on the whole about quality control


Reviewers enjoy slagging bands off...

...more than giving them praise.
It is kind of fun to slag bands off, except I would choose bands that are more deserving.


Do they?

I much prefer giving praise. Then again I guess I'm strictly small-time.


So you're saying if

I made myself look like a big man by slagging everyone off left, right and centre then I would suddenly become incredibly successful?


Worked for me!

Oh how we laughed


they explain in the first paragraph

why they still hold out some hope. Did you even read the review?

also, Pitchfork review pretty much everything


Yeah, I read it.

Would I start a thread otherwise??

I just think after the same negative stance for four albums, they wouldn't dedicate space for them.


well, yes..

some people (aka fanboys) attack reviews whilst seemingly having no idea what they're saying. And you do seem to have missed the points where the reviewer says he can't dismiss Mars Volta right away, because they have positives (although they're widely overrun by the negatives)

Also, they're a very popular "alternative" band, and are likely to have fans amongst the people who would frequent Pitchfork. So, just because they're likely to give them a bad review means they shouldn't review them? Why bother reviewing Radiohead, if they're likely to give them a good review?


"dedicate space"

it's the internet


Because it's good!

I'd say I've found more good bands from Pitchfork than DiS. And they make me laugh.


^this

i prefer pitchfrok reviews to dis, i just come on here to start arguments/get advice about how to start arguments


As they say,

'having left the earth's orbit sometime in 2003, they can only go further into the cosmos'.

Was a funny read though. When they say that Battles have humour, I think Mars Volta do too. Laughing with them, at them, same thing eh.


Love you.

Exactly my thoughts. Mars Volta are fine, just turn off and enjoy. Its all preposterious and nonsensical but thats the fun of Mars Volta.


^Boof!

This.


'Just turn off and enjoy'?

So THAT'S how to listen to the mars volta.


MV are a massive band

and to be fair i think its a pretty good review.


I can't stand pitchfork

...and their consistent reviews of this type are a contributing reason why.

They're just as guilty as a magazine like Q for predictability, only on a more esoteric scale, and thinks it's far superior journalism to that which it is.

And in response to the above answer, i have no idea why they do it - it's almost like a little "in" joke that they have. I agree they're not for everyone, but Frances The Mute is undeniably NOT a 2/10 effort


pitchfork is shite

is shite


^This

They really took the biscuit with that review.


undeniably?

I deny it. It's worth less than two, it's a musical travesty.


I still don't understand why they like Battles for being weird and out there

and yet hate The Mars Volta for the exact same reason. Both bands have a similarly warped sense of songcraft.


My sentiments exactly.

It's just totally self-fellating journalism


So what, do you think they're lying?

do they secretly dislike battles or do they secretly love TMV.

I can easily understand where pitchfork are coming from because I hate TMV and I like battles.


.

it just seems to be one of their little idosyncracies making them predictable as ever.

Plus they gave the debut Omar solo album 7 point something which is FAR wankier than anything TMV have done.


Because

they prefer the way Battles approach it to the way TMV approach it? Just a thought.


i understand the battles thing as this

battles are taking music forward. TMV a step back. to be fair as much as i hate pitchfrok i do agree with that. TMV do sound similar to yes and rush and the old prog bands. battles are just weird (i do love them though) (i still hate pitchfork)


I can see that they're doing elements of something that's been done before, sure

...but that doesn't mean it's a "step back". Say Of Montreal, for example: they're great, but the Bowie comparison can easily be made. Just one example. You can mostly always compare one band to another; music isn't (and shouldn't be) consistently 100% different to anything you've ever heard before.


yeah good point

but as much as i love TMV i still think battles are doing something thats newer and more interesting (please dont crucify me for this)


No, not at all

I agree they're doing something newer, but newer isn't always better.

Antiques, for example are deemed far more valuable than Ikea furniture.


Not meaning to skew the opinion on the subject

I agree they're doing something newer, but newer isn't always better.

Antiques, for example are deemed far more valuable than Ikea furniture.

But I just wanted to run with the metaphor, because I'm bored and feel like an exercise in the futile...

Ikea furniture kept in mint condition would also be considered antique given enough time. Think of tins of food from yesteryear or other consumables whose values now are far greater than they would originally have been, far above the rate of inflation. They reflect a era and the artifacts that existed in that time.

Most people have a negative association of the quality of Ikea furniture, for example many tradesmen will explicitly point out that they charge extras to install kitchens from Ikea as there are usually parts missing or have been built incorrectly meaning the task will end up taking a lot longer, costing the tradesman more money. If you owned current Ikea furniture in mint condition 100 years from now when most other examples broke within a year or got thrown out when their owners moved house, they'd probably be quite a rarity.

Conversely, the furniture is still very popular, so you'd still be quite likely to get more of them existing than any of their less common counterparts. This rarity will reflect on the price.

I assume the original antique we're talking about has been designed by some reputable craftsman as opposed to just relying on age and rarity to bolster its price. In this case, we're equating the prog rock pioneers that inspired The Mars Volta as high quality craftsmen of their time, creating fine art. According to this measure, we can't draw a parallel directly to The Mars Volta and an antique, neither could we do so with Of Montreal. This is because they're not the original artists, merely modern artists heavily inspired by others. Instead we equate them to some sort of artist heavily inspired by artists of yesteryear, in particular a scene or genre that was once fashionable. The originality isn't there, but their quality of their art is in the efforts of remodelling the source materials to collage something of their own.

The Battles and Ikea comparison I find even harder to swallow. Ikea furniture is available worldwide, and is generally marketed as a cheap yet stylish solution. It's not everyone's favourite choice, but the brand has become a household name, with their examples found in numerous locations. Property landlords often buy Ikea furniture en mass to fill accomodation they rent out for the reasons mentioned previously. To equate that to Battles would be like saying Battles write music suitable for television advertising. Paletable and inoffensive enough to make an immediate impact yet easily associated with a particular mood. Can you imagine watching Match Of The Day whilst Ddiamond plays in the background?

There are many examples of expensive antiques that I would never want in my home as despite their high label price, they may look hideous in my opinion. However, if I were given one, I'd be more than happy to take it in order to resell it and make some money. In a converse way, Ikea furniture is relatively cheap and its popularity is predominantly for that reason. For those reasons, I'd argue that the basis of your comparison is about which one has the greater financial worth since, as with music, a choice in furniture is opinion. I personally don't think either The Mars Volta or Battles are particularly marketable with the music they create and collectively talented enough probably make a lot more money simply by changing the style of music they create to something more universally paletable. Again I can't see how this would make the comparison hold.


Yeah

I'm not keen on my TV advert comparison, I think it undervalues the scope that those things can have. There's probably a better one, but I've bored myself enough already.


For what it's worth I like Battles..

..and they are doing something newer. As medulla says below, this doesn't always meen it's better.


The Mars Volta are a very forward thinking band..

...they just use influences from other bands and mix it with their own style to create something unique.

To make audible music that sounds completely different to everything ever done before is almost impossible.


i didnt mean it like that

i didnt mean battles were a better band (even if i sound like i did) i just meant that battles are doing something that sounds newer to me than what the mars volta are doing.maybe its just my young naive ears that have led me to believe this.i honestly havent heard many bands that sound like battles.i really dont know where im going with this.i love them both


I love both bands too...

...and Battles are unique but measuring how unique is very difficult.

Bits of the Mars Volta can be heard in old prog bands but their overall sound isn't much like yes or rush. I agree with you that even finding similarities between Battles and any other band is more difficult. This might be down to my lack of dance/electronic music knowledge though.

So I guess we agree, wait that's not supposed to happen. :)


Atlas...

is very similar to Marilyn Manson's 'The Beautiful People'. At least rhythmically.

As pointed out in the DiS review.


they're both shite

music that's 'technically' good but unlistenably poor.


Or they're just not your thing.

I wish people would learn the difference.


i think

the main difference is that battles employ a certain amount of quality control, whereas the mars volta, or perhaps more specifically omar, doesn't know when to stop adding parts and layers to songs.

take Cygnus....Vismund Cygnus for example, the part that is mainly comprised of just bass and drums works great just as that, but omar can't stop himself from (poorly) fret-wanking all over it, thus totally ruining the feel. it's akin to scene in family guy where peter is resuscitating a patient with a defibrillator. he revives the patient, but keeps on pumping them full of electricity until they die.


I disagree that the added layers are the problem.

The extended quiet bits seem unnecessary to me. The birds tweeting for ages at the start of Miranda That Ghost...for example is what I don't understand.
I actually enjoy the extra layers and more full on sound. It's what they're best at to be fair, wankery is what they do.


To get to the other side?

I'm writing a zine about new 7" singles, currently deciding whether or not to write anything at all about the stuff I'm none too enamoured with. My usual rule is - don't bother to give a small band a kicking, but if it's an established band that you've got an interesting viewpoint on, state your opinion.


this really made me laugh:

'Despite its surface similarities to 2006's Amputechture (decoder ring title, Street Fighter II cover art)'


for the record

i like the mars volta and i like this album, but i thought this review was great.


Back in the office now...

Yeah, i love both bands, and i can certainly see why people see TMV as cluttered and sloppy (i, however, do not), but at the same time i don't think it at all possible to say something like Frances The Mute is worth 2 stars. For example, my ears bleed when i hear Belle & Sebastian, but for what they are i can appreciate that they're damn good at it. The pitchfork reviewers just seem like stroppy kids throwing toys out the pram.

Furthermore, they consistently go on about the lyrics and how "absurd" some of the words are....yet they are forever trying to articulate themselves in the most intellectual sounding manner! It's poor journalism masked behind words with so many syllables you could start a drum beat with them


nah

they're just a band who think they play fantastic cool music because they just make up a load of riffs and shit and then just jam away and record the album and then try to figure out how to play it live...yeah they are SO COOL MAANNN


Making up riffs, jamming and subsequently figuring how to play it live?

Jeez, you'd think they were in a band or something


Because like right thinking people the world over..........

they're hoping against hope that Cedric and Omar quit with all this nonsense and reform At the Drive-In.





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