Fear not, this is not a typical Cliche Government-bashing rant.
It has been announced that 2,500 post office branches will be closed nationally by 2009 as the network is losing £4million a week.
This has led to MPs starting local campaigns up and down the country to save local services. The Post Office is one of those national institutions that people don't like being tampered with, one of those 'what makes Britain great' type' set ups. But how often do you actually use the post office? Is the fuss justified? Would losing that many branches make any actual difference to your daily life?
Me: I use it once every 2 months maybe.
pretty much never
out one at school was cloed down about 2 weeks ago
after 25 years of service
I don't really have a local one anymore
They've all closed.
(this is actually true)
Indeed,
and do you think this has had a detrimental effect on the social and economic fabric of the local community?
yeah it's horrific
we can't get stamps!!
not as detrimental as the Daily Mail has had, i'd wager
me, never !
My wife, every 2 days...
France doesn't count
^ This applies in all areas of everything
you wish...
pretty much never
Once a month
It used to be more often in the days before internet record ordering hegemony. Anyone else recall the age of mailorder distros?
in my old job
twice a week
now: every few weeks
ALTHOUGH i did withdraw cash from one the other day. they do free cash withdrawals doncha know?
^this
and the cash points release money quickly like IN THE FUTURE OR SOMETHING
i mean IN every post office
at the desk, you can withdraw money. the exact amount that you want to, as well
all the time
My new years resolution was to make more use of the postal service. And thats what I'm doing... It doesn't sell sweets anymore though..:(
What a strange resolution to make
I like
sending letters; the paper, the stamp, sealer, little things you can put inside.. People like receiving them. It means communication is real, unlike this.. which just seems a bit to virtual. if you know what I mean.. So I decided to make more of an effort..
^I like this idea.
It's defintiely more 'special' when you send a letter rather than, say, an email.
^
this this this!
:D
This! ^
But when I asked for my friend's post codes so I could mail them things, they all thoguht I was a bit weird, seeing as I talk to them online and on the phone or in person quite often...
Never
For people like my parents,
living in villages, it's pretty much the centre of the local community.
The urban youth/youngish adults (i.e. the majority of people on this site) are going to be completely unaffected by this, but for thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands?) of elderly, isolated people it will be a devastating loss.
It fucking sucks.
^ this
Its really sad. It totally breaks down our community base even more.. which eventually means more crime and more depression amongst people.. Its a real shame..
I agree it's sad.
But I think it's down to a cultural change. The reality is that they're not used or needed as much.
....by the majority.
There's a significant minority who are going to be affected horribly by this.
We need to stop being such an ageist-bastard of a country. Basic human decency should come before profit/loss equations.
Its almost
a forced though. And this doesn't just refer to the postal service, local shops have almost been eradicated too which also leads to community demise. We're being brainwashed into 'convenience' shopping and our psychological barriers around anything that isn't instant are growing. Communication is not about minimum effort its about contacting people you love and hopefully making them smile. Letters are way more effective at this, an email is way too easy, it doesn't mean as much, but society says convenience is best so we just accept it. So cultural shift, yes, but out of choice? I think not..
Whenever I sell something
on ebay or Amazon. Yesterday most recently. Once/twice a month generally.
Don't even get me started on this.
I seem to spend most of my day fending off people opposing post office closures.
I do agree with the closures though, the losses it's making are ridiculous. RM is a private company but the only shareholdy is HM Government, so it's in the public interest.
Who wants me to paste our stock response?
lols at "shareholdy"
Hahahahahaha
I too have a standard Tory response to this, but refrained from posting it.
I am against the closures as I don't think they're necessary, but i'm not sure of the worth of me and you just slinging our respective 'lines' at eachother.
Why are they not necessary?
Actually, I'm off to lunch...
so here we go... the full version.
The Government appreciates your concerns. Closing post offices is not popular and everyone would rather it did not have to happen. But as a society we are using them much less than we did and they are losing a significant amount of money.
The post office network as a whole is now losing around £3.5 million a week, up from £2 million a week two years ago, and over that same period the numbers of people using the post office each week is 4 million fewer. The 800 least used branches have fewer than 16 customers a week and in those post offices each transaction costs £17 in subsidy. Some 1600 post offices have fewer than 20 customers a day and in those branches the cost per transaction is about £8. In addition there are 1000 sub post offices that have at least 6 other competing branches within a mile of their business.
The Government fully recognises the important social and economic role of post offices, particularly in rural and deprived urban communities. That is why it is determined to maintain a national post office network allowing people to have reasonable access across the whole country and have put in place a new policy and financial framework to achieve this. It is also why the Government has committed a subsidy of £150 million per year to support Post Office between now and 2011.
There is wide acceptance – including from the National Federation of Subpostmasters – that the current size of the network is unsustainable. New technology, changing lifestyles and a wider choice of accessing services mean that people are not visiting post offices as often as they used to. The Government has been investing substantial sums in the post office network, totalling £2 billion since 1999. That has, for example, paid for a computer link-up for every post office as well as support for non-commercial branches since 2003. The Government has decided to extend that support to 2011 with the provision of up to another £1.7billion additional funding.
This funding will support a new framework for the Post Office. There will be clearly defined minimum access criteria to safeguard coverage in rural, deprived urban and remote areas that will ensure that the vulnerable communities most in need of post office services will be protected. The network will be supplemented by some 500 new and innovative Outreach locations, operated in partnership with other local services such as in pubs, village halls, churches or in mobile post offices, which will mitigate closures, primarily in smaller and more remote communities. Nevertheless, to ensure sustainability, there will need to be up to 2,500 compensated post office closures within the defined access criteria.
Post Office Limited (POL) is responsible for implementing the programme at a local level. They are developing a rolling programme of some 50 local consultations on detailed area plans, based on groups of Parliamentary constituencies. The first area plans went out to local consultation on 2 October 2007 and these plans will continue to be rolled out at regular intervals until July with the whole programme scheduled to take around 15 months to complete.
As well as the numeric access criteria in drawing-up implementation plans, POL will take into account local factors affecting ease of access, such as local geography: rivers, mountains etc. In developing its proposals with the participation of sub-postmasters, local authorities and Postwatch, POL is also required to consider the availability of public transport and alternative access to key post office services, local demographics and the impact on the local economy. Local consultations provide the opportunity to raise any specific concerns over particular proposals. No decisions on individual post offices will be made until local consultation has concluded. The Government does not have a role in proposals or decisions for individual post offices and final decisions on which post offices will close will be taken by POL.
The problem facing the Post Office is that people are simply not using their local post offices in the way that they did in the past. The Government has been accused of driving custom away from post offices by paying benefits and pensions into bank accounts and putting services online but in truth the Government has followed the trends in how people live their lives rather than created them. It continues to look for ways in which we can use the network but it is the duty of a responsible Government to ensure that services are provided in a way that gives the public a choice on how they access them and that represents value for money.
Pensioners can still cash their pensions at a post office but eight out of ten pensioners have their pension paid into a bank account. Among new retirees that figure is nine out of ten. Cost and security of payment are factors here too. Each time a benefit or pension is paid into a bank it costs the taxpayer 1p. Using a Post Office card account costs 80p. Paying by girocheque costs £1.80 a time. To reverse the trend towards payment into bank accounts would run counter to how people increasingly live their lives, it would cost some £200m a year extra in taxpayers’ money and lead to an increased risk of fraud in benefit payments.
People can still renew their car tax at the post office but since the government made available the option for people to do so online the service has grown from half a million users a month last year to a million a month this year. And almost half of those buying their car tax in this way do so outside normal office hours, confirming the demand we know is there for public service to be more available than for the traditional time of nine to five.
The challenge is now for the Post Office to innovate so that more people want to use post offices as an outlet of choice.
The Post Office is working hard to meet this challenge and is now the largest provider of foreign currency in the UK as well as offering car insurance, travel insurance and fixed line phone services. Other products such as broadband have been recently introduced and more are in the pipeline.
The Government introduced the Post Office card account in 2003 and the current contract ends in March 2010. The Government has decided that it will continue with a new account after 2010. The new account will be available nationally and customers will be eligible for the account on the same basis as they are now. EU procurement rules mean that we need to competitively tender for this product. Given the size of the network and the access criteria that we are now introducing, the Post Office is well placed to put in a strong bid.
In addition, cash will be available at the Post Office through some 4,000 free-to-use cashpoint machines now being introduced across the network. A range of interest-paying accounts has been introduced and will be attractive to the general public as well as those Post Office card account users who choose to build up balances on their Card Account.
If you have any specific concerns about the provision of post office services in your area, you should take the matter up direct with POL for clarification. This can be done via the company’s website www.postoffice.co.uk, or by phoning 08457 22 33 44 or by writing to POL Customer Care, FREEPOST NAT 18105, Sunderland SR3 3BR.
This issue gets people confused.
There is almost no need for a 'Post Office' anymore - virtually all household bills are made and payments into your account are done by direct debit.
The real issue is that most of these post offices are basically small shops that sell all the usual groceries and newspapers. Rural communities will miss the shops, not the post office function.
^
Exactly this. Spot on.
TOTALLY
I'm with this
once or twice a month
to send a letter to my pen-pal. whenever i go in, it seem to be the same three old ladies though. or different ones who look the same. i imagine them working out a rota for freaking me out.
so yeah... once or twice a month. is this enough to justify it staying open?
more than most of my friends
about once every six weeks, either to post parcels or pay into my national savings account. they're axing all the branches near me, which will be a pain; but there's one in the wh smiths near my work so it'll be ok.
probably once
every 2 weeks. how could i send things i've sold on ebay/amazon marketplaces otherwise?
Just about everyday for work
as the post office is about a thirty second walk away.
It moved to WHSmith's last week though, which is cool as it means I can skive for longer.
Yes!
I use it all the time for sending and receiving parcels for ebay purchases and sales, which I'm addicted to.
My sister uses it at least once weekly to pay in her AVON fees and the post back returns.
The two nearest me have now closed, so I either use the one beside my college, or to pick something up, I
have to make a special trip to the one at the town centre, which always has a massive queue. I don't think I've ever waited less than half an hour and I always go at obscure times during weekdays, so God knows what it's like at the busy periods.
about
once every week or two.
3-4 times a week.
although it's my work-local,
not my home-local, which is a scumhole that always seems to overcharge me.
two or three times a week
i like them, even though it can be frustrating queing, and the people normally smell a bit wrong, they're nice places to be. if i have to send a piece of post that's bigger than a standard letter i always que and get it weighed rather than just ask for large stamps. silly really, but stepping into a post office is like stepping back in time. i remember being amazed by them when i was a toddler, cave-like places full of stationary and people that pinch your cheeks. they're pretty amazing places, mine looks almost exactly the same as it did twenty yeara back. i love sending and receiving mail, it's one of my biggest hobbies.
2/3 times a week
It's also a 2 minute walk from my front door. Very handy indeed. Staffed by complete TWATS though - it's one of those Co-Op with built-in Post Office types.