Following on from another thread - which is better, UK hip-hop or grime?! And why?!! Personally, give me Roots Manuva over Chipmunk any day!!!
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grime >>>>> uk hiphop
uk hiphop is dull and normally formulaic bar a few artists (klashnekoff, roots manuva, akala)
grime is more vibrant and the mc's are (i find) more interesting and varied. And also the beats are far more cutting edge
true say
UK Hip Hop is generally a hateful genre, either shamelessly appropriating accents and attitudes from across the continent or languishing in sexless sub J5 'party hip hop' territory served with equal parts of irony and virginity.
That said, I do have 'mad love' for Lewis Parker, and like some Jehst stuff and what i've heard of Klashnekoff.
Grime on the other hand has a far more distinctive identity which doesnt require a 'UK' prefix, and has a vitality and rawness sorely lacking in UK Hip Hop
Give me
Ghetto or Wiley or Skepta or whoever over Roots Manuva any day, but it's all good!
I clicked on this thread thinking
"I bet Will's got something to say"
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no contest
I like both
i am equilibrium
Grime
UK hip hop artists for the most part just try and sound like american counterparts and fail miserably.
Grime has its own identity.
Roll Deep are an example, their album was basically shite uk hip hop, trying to be commercial and suceeding in not making a good album and alienating a significant proportion of their fanbase. Their more grimey demos and mixtapes= far better.
Ha.
Chipmunk is like 16 and he's already better than Roots Manuva. He's fire alie cuzzie.
As already said Grime is better because it's a genuinely organic cultural movement that doesn't shamelessly ape US hip-hop in method, content & delivery. Even the way UK Hip-Hop is made, i.e. sampling, is copied from the US, whereas Grime kids just sit down at their PC and bash out some crazy futuristic synth shit on reason.
There's so much variety to Grime; apart from a few of the skippy ghetto & Wiley aping youngers every MC sounds different.
Also Grime is rave music: it has so much energy and vitality, i'd rather skank to grime then dance to hip hop any rave of the week.
grime standard
noone i know listens to uk hip-hop. there's just soo many big names in grime like president t, skepta, jammer, wiley, jme, ghetto, tempa t, chipmunk, murkle man.. i could go on.
jehst played at the amersham arms in new cross last october; he did three songs and it was never more than half capacity. seems to me either hip-hop in the uk is long gone or the spiritual home of uk hip-hop has moved from south london (i know leeds has a fairly sized scene).
no debate
yeah
i've put on jammer and skepta, seperatly and together, in the last few months at the amersham and it was pretty mental. and wiley booked for april 16th which should be equally manic.
i can't imagine a similar uk hip-hop act having the same effect. it's really not worth looking at the two as similar genres at all... you wouldn't compare post-rock and punk now would ya..
skepta and jammer at the am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-20-JKG1tE
hmmm grime wouldnt exist without uk hip-hop
and grime is basically modern uk hip-hop sint it
artists like rodney p and demon boyz and labels like music of life totally pioneered uk artists speaking in their natural dialect.
They also pushed, created and developed the hip-hop/reggae/ragga sound which was very much a british thing (ever heard an american do it well?) and is quite a big influence on grime
I don't think that's true though.
UK Hip-Hop has always been a very insular genre that lacked any sort of community or wider movement; it was certainly never part of the 'nuum.
Grime on the other hand evolved out of, and was a response to, UK Garage. Hence its grounding as rave music, the intial 12" culture, large community based grass roots raves, lack of any sort of mainstream music industry infrastructure, dominance of pirate radios: all signifiers of a genre rooted in the UK Hardcore Continuum. As such Garage and Jungle have had a far larger influence on the sound than UK hip-hop.
Granted artists like Black Twang can't be totally ignored as they were some of the first to rap in a London accent, and the cross pollination of Jamaican musical influences with UK sounds is obviously a huge part of Grime. But i'd contend that that influence came from UK Dancehall, the Saxon soundsystem and London's large Carribean community rather than UK Hip-Hop as it never really was that popular on the street.
UK Hip-Hop
...is, along with 'indie', the most turgid, lifeless music that this country has ever thrown up.
All UK hip-hop MCs go on about is 'repping for the UK'. Fuck, it's so bad. Most UK hip-hop artists are also white.
Grime on the other hand (whilst there is ALOT of shit) is constantly trying to push things forward sonically. Listen to 'Eskimo' by Wiley and it stills sounds futuristic and even though it was made about 7 years ago. Same goes for most of 'Boy In Da Corner', not one UK hip-hop has never been a millionth as inventive as that record.
another vote in favour of grime
there is really no contest.
i've just been listening to guns n roses volume 2. i love it.
True
I doubt many Grime artists would have a clue who Rodney P or London Posse were.
The fact grime shares the caribbean and London influences of 80's UKHH and that MCs spit in their UK dialect is coincidental and not evidence of a direct descendance of grime from UK Hip Hop..
Grime all the way
Anyone else hear Ghetto sending for BBK again?
http://www.rwdmag.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94014
It's a pretty gash track but he samples Wiley which is pretty rude so hopefully he'll send a dub back or something. Also it'll be jokes is JME tries to get involved so he can exposed for the shit mc that he is.
is there such grime compilation cd
out there ? i wouldnt know where to start.
I got this for a fiver few month back
http://www.play.com/Search.aspx?searchtype=allproducts&searchstring=worlds+heaviest&page=search&pa=search
Don't buy that, it looks waste.
Sway and Man Like Me on a grime comp? Fuck off.
This is the classic compilation:
http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/515562/Run-The-Road/Product.html
Every track is a banger. If you don't like it you don't like Grime.
^^
This is the one, but downloading any of the Newham General or BBK sets from the Rinse.Fm podcast, or one of the F*ck Radio sets will be just as rewarding (and indicitive of whats great about the genre) as shelling out hard cash.
Grime is better
UK Hip Hop is so depressing. It tries to be serious (!) and people always look to the states and make comparisons. It will never be a genre in its own right, despite the talent that is obviously there....
Grime is much more fun and original, tongue in cheek, (tho' JME is serious!) sounds a lot better in a club environment...