For me, it really gets my goat when a guitarist, or basically anyone who's not allowed a mic, decides to really "get into it" by singing along with the singer even though they're not on mic. I've seen keane do this on tv and a number of other bands. It annoys me SO much
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Sub thread: I didn't like the los campesinos album, but now I really like it, which i'm so pleased about. At first I thought the production was terrible but i think i prefer it to be noisy than if it was produced all nice and stuff. The lyrics are actually the best thing about it, especially because of vaguely knowing (internet version of) gareth. It makes it quite interesting trying to associate those lyrics with that persona.
your mum
My mum's your mum, idiot.
dang
but seriously; fake encores, especially in festivals where they have to cut down stage time anyway (here's looking at you bjork)
yeh
fake encores are shit!!
affect stage fright
This is your living. Get over it. Look like you're enjoying it!
The obvious 'fake encore' thing
coupled with the words 'This is from our new album!', served with a side order of 'we're gonna extend the fuck outta this one for ya, ya lucky people!' and a pinch of 'we're so proud of what we've done that we're not gonna play that big one that you all really really want to hear*' make a recipe of unwelcomidity.
*there are exceptions to this rule, but they are few and far between
Oh God!
If there's one thing I hate it's the sham encore. If you want a break for a fag or a bit of a rest just fucking say so. It really fucking gets my goat.
"there are exceptions to this rule"
Tubthumping?
Yup.
Although to be honest, no-one who goes to a Chumbawamba show now wants to hear that.
But that's a separate thang. Carry on!
you do
if you catch them at a festival and just watched them for that song.
however they werent bad, saying that
Was this recently?
They're ace at the moment, a five-piece folk extravaganza.
'Enough is Enough' FTW
yup
it's funny when guitarists do that
i saw a band the other week, (the get go, i think?) who's guitarist not only did that loads, but also had this thing that he kept doing where he lifted his guitar, threw it down (well back to normal playing position) and while doing it he lifted one leg, then the other and ended up legs wide appart facing the amp doing some kind of punky stance (i can't really describe it that well, but it was pretty funny)
Encores
Without a doubt THE most annoying thing a band can do.
Unless that band is Metallica
or radiohead, or other bands who have enough set closing epics
^
too true
I like the Los Campesinos! album on the whole but think the lyrics tend to be the weakest point.
There are moments when they work but there's moments when they feel over-thought and/or a little clunky or clumsy. Musically it's god though and has at least 6 or 7 songs on there. It's an 8/10 for sure.
Going back to the main point I don't see why it'd annoy you if musicians actually get into it and want to sing along. I like it when that happens 'cos it shows some kind of enthusiasm - unless it's faked of course which'd be silly.
What annoys me is when bands just act they don't want to be there. I find it silly and stage-managed. You've obviously got an ego or else you wouldn't be on stage so why not embrace that rather than putting in some kind of non-performance?
nope, the lyrics are
funny
well flowing
good
and most of all, not twee at all, which is probably why I like them. They're more angsty than anything, and as you all know, i'm a big angst fan.
To be honest my main criticism of the lyrics
is that parts of it the kind of angsty-pseudo-social-commentary-without-really-making-any-real-definite-points that I'd have loved when I was a sixth former but don't enjoy so much now. So it makes sense you like them.
I don't think they're terrible lyrics by any means (on Knee Deep at ATP for example they're actually very good) but on a few songs ("We Roll Our Eyes and Exhale in Unison" being the chief offender) they're a bit clumsy. Overall I think the lyrics are decent but by no means the strong point of the album.
lyrics that make definite points are the worst ones
That's because you're a sixth-former.
And therefore believe if someone's being so vague that it's not clear what they're talking about then it must therefore be intelligent, deep and meaningful. As I say, I was precisely the same at your age.
Lyrics that make definite points are only the worst ones when the person doing it is a shit lyricist. In that case they're far, far better being vague and hoping everyone assumes intelligence (not that I'm saying this applies to Gareth Campesinos incidentally - I'm on a separate topic now and speaking generally about lyric-writing as a whole).
I don't think they're especially deep or meaningful
I just think the way they sound is really good with the music
In terms of lyrics, rhythm > what the words actually mean
OK, I'm probably being somewhat unfair.
They do work well with the music, which is something a lot of acts ignore...
i have no opinion on whatever you're talking about
but please stop being such a patronising twat. it makes you look really fucking stupid.
I thought he had a point
As a sixth former, I AM drawn to albums with lyrics so vague that they probably didn't mean anything to start with. I'm not joking, if you couldn't tell. I haven't heard anything by the band so can't comment specifically.
I'm being patronising as Hell and apologise for it.
Although that doesn't make any less right. It's a phase we all go through.
*make me
<3
"That's because you're a sixth-former."
lol, patronising much there?
Absolutely.
I don't really mean it. I mean I do mean it, obviously. But I don't really mean to tar all sixth-formers with the same brush. It's just Christ knows I loved some pretentious shite when I was that age (Generation Terrorists, for example) that just embarrasses the hell out of me 8 years later, and I know several other people who feel the same...
Not that I'm saying LC! are pretentious shite mind...
it can be annoying
but usually it adds to the tension/excitement when you fear for your own health at a gig
i.e standing at the front with a bassist/guitarist flying around a missing your nose with their guitar by an inch, or having a nuts singer
I don't agree with this.
The bassist of Art Brut sings along like mad but that works great, I reckon. I never remember being annoyed by that sort of thing generally.
mm
argh..
1) when they say about their myspace..'heyyyyyyy dont forget to check out our myspace!!!! www.myspace.com/blablablala..thats just annoying
2)when they say 'thank you so much for coming down and listening to us' about 30 times during their set, after every EVERY song..
3) when they ask you to go nuts and jump.when sometimes...people just dont want to jump / think they're shit so dont want to get in to it at all.
blah
Freddy Feedback can do no wrong!!!
What DOES annoy me: FUCKWITS WHO CAN'T FUCKING JUST SOUNDCHECK.
I really hate that. Get up there, play a bit and just get the fuck off stage. Don't spend 40 fucking minutes making yourself sound 'right' when it's not that important.
Surely...
that IS pretty important, to make sure that it sounds good out front and that everyone onstage can hear their own instruments and anything else they need to hear. Having a decent soundcheck with a good engineer and having a rushed one can be the difference between a good and bad gig.
Theo has a point
I mean you need to be sure you can hear the instruments and the levels are balanced but I've soundchecked with bands that spend absolutely fucking ages fucking about with some minor thing that'll make the tiniest amount of difference to the overall sound and pushes the entire show to over-run.
Sure, bands want to soundcheck but it annoys me massively when bands ignore the time constraints of the actual gig running order and make everything else run late in order to do it.
This really.
I've watched countless bands do it. Half the time they're just not fucking together. When you're playing the Astoria then your roadies can soundcheck you for five hours prior to the gig or something.
But in a small venue time is of the essence. This is why all my pedals are on a little board I can just chuck down and plug in. Just play half a song and see what you think.
Don't play a five minute song THEN say "Oh the vocals could do with being a touch louder. Can we just check that with a different song?" - it's a soundcheck not a fucking rehearsal.
^ This
Why my band is instrumental.
these bands tend to be worse for this in my experience
worse for long soundchecks?
Maybe - every good soundcheck I've had has resulted in an awful gig, so we try not to take long. certainly not a full song.
.
fucking inside jokes. why?
Not even acknowledge you're there
come on stage - play sounds - exit without any recognition of the audience...how precious can you get?
seconded.
Ryan Adams does this quite a lot (well, his live shows are completely hit or miss, one night loads of interaction, other nights, zilch). But especially when people have paid a fair bit to come out and see you, then it doesn't matter if you're in a shite mood, or if the audience are pissing you off, or anything. Be professional, don't strop around, and give at least a little recognition...not exactly that taxing is it?
i hate on stage banter
and the resulting exaggerated laughs from the fans.
actually....
it kind of annoys me when bands talk at all between songs. especially if they're trying to be funny. i like it when there is constant sound coming from the stage from beginning to end, no silence between songs for some egomaniac to convince me how witty he/she is. just play some fucking music, man! that's why we're here!
So very true
Thanks for saying that.
bat for lashes fans.
are very bad at the exaggerated laughs. As are duke spirit fans. Must be a 'coo at the woman' thing.
Damm fans.
the singer of Guided By Voices
when he spins his microphone
1 minute in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khpQQLzWHF8
i mean, he annoys me completely, but this especially annoys me as he does it every song ever.
yeah
that is annoying.
I don't mind on stage banter though, or in jokes as long as they keep them short. They are human beings - we all love an in joke! (well my friends do)
I also hate the fake encore.
I like a little "thanks for coming" but not too much.
I like when the sound is good so a sound check is important!
i hates you
I hate you too
cheers
contrived nonchalence
"yeah, it's a monday night, but we don't give a fuck!" Good for you.
bit random but
I've been to a few gigs where people have fainted at the front in between songs when the band weren't doing much and could clearly see that someone had fainted and was not getting assistance. Meh I guess it's not really their problem?
People always faint during
weak bands ( I only like weak bands)
why are you fainting? Surely putting on some trousers is more stressful than this.
i don't get it..they just faint?
why don't they leave the room if they're feeling dizzy?? do they faint from claustrophobia or from excitement of seeing a band?
overheating/getting crushed i should think
in particular this happened at a biffy gig (at the mean fiddler i think) and 65days at truck - I was properly in shock for the first 65 song after this one because she feinted right onto me and it took an age to get a guy to carry her out. It's happened one other time but I can't remember where.
I don't like it when bands get on their political soapbox
between songs. Like I give a fuck what Chrissie Hynde thinks about fur or whatever.
nah man
if someone gave me mic power over a room of x-hundred people i'd immediately get an ego trip and just shout stuff
"kittens are really great!"
"why don't enough people like kittens?"
"scarlett johannesburg- massive whore, yeah? yeah?"
I think everyone would leave.
"you know what I have most? Fucking Days. It's fucking day! Buy some shit! Let's talk about Fucking Day for 7 weeks in the run up to it."
"hooray, summer has arrived, quick, rip the clothes off your soft sqishy bodies and give them their one airing for the year."
Fake Encores.
When they try and make everybody clap, particularly at big venues or festivals.
When any of the band try to say something funny. It rarely is. Just shut up and play, say thank you at the end and maybe introduce a few songs but don't tell us you love us or we're the best crowd ever.
When bands think they're better than they are.
When support bands think most people there actually came to see them.
When they dance like an effeminate gimp.
When they stand like like an effeminate gimp.
When they speak like an effeminate gimp.
When they look like an effeminate gimp.
When they are an effeminate gimp.
Just because your music is 'from the heart' it doesn't mean you have to writhe around on the floor like you're chewing your face off.
you are
an arsewipe.
He is not an arsewipe...but
Banter is my favourite thing, I think, it endears you to the artist
And girls love a bit of the
effeminate gimp.
Hahaha
I haven't been called an arsewipe in years. Gave me a good chuckle that.
It was a comment made a little tongue-in-cheek but I guess some of that got lost in translation.
Poor banter makes me feel embarrassed for the band and can really get on my nerves but it can make for a great atmosphere when it's done well. As long as they don't spout a load of insincerities and cliches and say something interesting rather than for the sake of filling 30 seconds of dead air then I'm happy.
Lots of American bands announce the name of each song before they play it.
This annoys me.
"hey, this song is called... and it goes a little something like this!"
that annoys me
end of the last song
guitarist gets down on his knees and starts fucking with a delay pedal or kaos pad or something similar so it goes "WOOOOOOSSSHHHHH-SHSHSHSFHHBHEFEH!!"
Though I admit, that's only when it's other guitarists doing it, I think I've pulled that one at every gig I've played, it's just so much fun.
That or the manically shredding the guitar/ attacking it with drum sticks until the strings break and fingers are bleeding... but again, it's just so damn fun.
Yeah i used to be guilty of that pedal thing
though I was 14 at the time and other people and myself thought it was well cool
I do that loads
sometimes in the middle of songs. I just can't wait to the end.
when a pint lands on the stage
and the singer stops and goes "WHO THREW THAT!?" as if it was some personal attack or assassination attempt made upon their life.
shut the fuck up. it's a plastic cup half-filled with crap beer. it didn't even hit you. meanwhile, your audience is soaked in the shit.
i also hate when they get roadies to come on every two seconds to clear up any spillages of the beer, and make a massive deal about it. sometimes, slipping on a pint is the only thing that'll save a dull gig.
that's normally venue people
cos if the band slips due to a spillage on stage, they can sue the venue
bands
who say thankyou form the bottom of our heart it makes me cringe
the lead singer
getting undressed down to his boxers and climbing all sweaty over the crowd/
im looking at you Gay for Johnny Depp.
:D I liked that.
I hate it when I look at a band's setlist and I see a bit clearly marked "encore".
It's both arrogant and uncool. Encores should be spontaneous and special, not ridiculously over-planned. And they should be earned, too. If they've played a shit gig I don't want to see them again.
I think it's fair enough
they may as well plan a few things on the chance that people will want an encore, and let's face it, at a standard show of a reasonably popular band, people will want one. and as the comment below points out, it's pretty disappointing when it just doesn't come. and hey, if people don't like it, they can always leave, right?