does anyone else find themselves disappointed to learn that actually they're more often than not 'just working a look' rather than the genuine article?
I shouldn't be surprised by this, I mean 'indie' has been the default look for a massive proportion of teenage girls and 20/early 30 something women for a few years now.
But, you stroll around in your faded Levis, retro track tops, 'distressed' cardigans, Top Shop standard issue Sonic Youth tees, battered cons and badge adorned vintage leather jackets whilst the bangs from your ever-so-slightly angular hairstyle pokes out from beneath those cute little tea cosy style beanies that all pretty girls must now wear BY LAW, so you can understand our confusion, surely?
from a girl's POV
it's easy to tell who's into music and who isn't. it's all in the details and usually the creative side of dressing. the fashionistas act more like sheep and copy each other.
i'd say i'm quite into my music
but i don't dress 'indie' at all, i don't even own converse!!!!111!!
^ VANS REQUEST!
:D
haha
brilliant
(i meant the girls)
but yeah. it's not a solid-stone rule. but generally someone in a sonic youth tshirt doesn't actually mean they like them. see: ramones tshirt.
lol my old flatmate had a ramones t-shirt
i've never known someone to have a lesser interest in music.
i only own one band tee - it was a death can for cutie one but i'm too fat for it now!
i'm a bit big to pull off the skinny jeans/cardigan look
i'm going to buy some converse this weekend i think....i'm such a scenester
^scenester
:)
^foreigner
:)
my little brother had a ramones tshirt.
he didn't know one of their songs. i own iggy and the stooges (stolen off an ex) and the cramps. but people who don't like the cramps still wear that tshirt, which makes me angry. :@
I have
loads of band t-shirts. I doubt Topshop will start selling Miss Black America or Dawn Parade 'tees' in the near future though.
yeah ive got quite a few
i just hope they never decide Black Flag are the next cool band to pretend to like!
it already is in leeds.
my friend got abuse for wearing one (she does like the band).
:(
shit
yeap.
but in all fairness the guy who gave the abuse was a dick. he called her a "scene queen" cue dressing down from me and a friend a few nights later revealing his patchy but arrogant knowledge of the band. that also made me angry. grrrr.
It had to be done
By me.
I'm jolly well proud of this, if you excuse the slightly drunken group description:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5371601330
You realise
that's Jennifer Garner, in the pic, not Jennifer Lopez...
ha
i totally agree. There are obviously may girls that are into music that don't care too much about fashion, but in terms of the ones who do, you can usually tell!
i dont' even understand what it means to look indie anymore
i'm all confused. not that i need to look indie CAUSE I KNOW I AM IN MY HEART AND SOUL AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS ;)
Ella, you look SOOOOOO indie
obviously you don't full under the 'for fashion purposes only' category though.
*fall
what? i don't look indie!
i wear jeans and a green hoody EVERYDAY.
i'm FUCKING HARDCORE MAN!
i'm gonna change my profile name to
xstrawberryx i'm going fucking straightedge
there we go
since when does it not take three hours?@h
I'm getting a new name
wow
hehehe
new names rock!
all the fucking time
once, i approached a girl i assumed looked like they knew music because you know. they looked ...that way. turned out they were big scouting for girls fans and didn't realy know who the Smiths were. This is unacceptable.
yeah
happens all the time.
there was a topic about indie being the new pop and it is definitely the case right now.
it works the other way round!
the 'indie' guys i know think pavement is something you walk on!
my opinion; talk to none of them.
Very true
I kept seeing people at uni who I thought would be in to similar stuff to me so I'd start talking to them about local gigs and stuff and it would soon turn out they "quite liked the kaiser chiefs but not Franz Ferdinand, they're too arty" :/
This isn't an issue over here
at all.
It confuses me sometimes when I go to the UK though.
I was talking to this girl who looked really interesting and like she would have had good music taste or something, and she told me her favourite bands were The Twand and The Long Blondes.
Terrifying.
I think it's probably because nobody really listens to MOR Indie here. Well, it doesn't get into the charts or anything. And shops don't really sell "indie" clothes.
*Twang, yeah?
Oh right
The Twand are ace. I love 'Setting Up Twelve Boxes To Explode.'
Belgium is great for genuinely quirky people
of both sexes with somewhat leftfield tastes, it's an underrated country!
ive been there
it sucked big time. even the chocolate was over rated.
untrue.
it's pretty much all great.
i <3 it.
I knew
a guy from Belgium. He was really dull. He'd dress all in beige and wear clogs to lectures.
You make it sound like liking the Long Blondes is something to be ashamed of.
yeah
you bitch
woteva.
Bitching's just the way I roll.
ha
lollers.
Bit harsh
on the Long Blondes.
I agree with you on the Twang - no wonder white working class Britain's becoming invisible with people like them.. nudge nudge wink wink
though i actually find it annoying
when i a guy comes up to me and tries to talk to me about music. unless it's good music. but it's usually lame-o fakeindie boys who want to talk to me about Coldplay.
How the hell
can anyone chat about Coldplay?
well it's happened twice with the coldplay thing.
one guy just started listing all the coldplay songs he liked and asking if i liked them.
the other guy asked if i like one of the songs and then just started playing it on his guitar to me and gazing at me. it was a bit creepy.
i fancy all indie girls, regardless of musical leanings
apart from the ugly ones obvz
^ wins thread
Heheh
What do I care?
Its not like they'll go out with me anyway.
^ loses thread
^ GENUINELY INDIE ATTITUDE!
MTFU....Mainstream the Fuck Up!!!
shutup cutiepie
LOL
:D
I don't look indie at all
real indie people don't dress it, like how real vegetarians don't ever mention it.
(making enemies on the social board)
The resident Carrotcore kids are not going to like that one bit!.
they all went dis straightedge
when people found out Master Tofu gareth's real name.
God I wish this was true
I live and work in Kent. And the default look is 'Chav'. Huge hoopy earrings, scraped back hair, massive makeup, burberry - the whole thing.
I can only dream of what it must be like to reguarly see girls who look indie. Even my wife has hung up the indie look for the yummy mummy one :(
I wanted to start talking to a really indie girl I saw in Starbucks cos she was holding an explosions in the sky album but my friend said you're no allowed to approach strangers no matter how good the CD they're clutching is :(
as if
talking to strangers is the way forward. if they think i'm crazy... their loss. i've met some fantastic people that way.
(so yeah, go for it)
^^
its the way to go!!
most people i know these days are ones ive met at gigs/pubs/tube.. (ok well only one from the tube but you get my direction..)
Doesn't this rule expire
when you turn 18 or something and you're no longer a child going to get abducted by strangers?
Its kind of the opposite really
When a (nearly 30!) year old man wants to talk to a 20 something woman he doesn't know then it gets worrying. I think my friend was worried about me getting a reputation as some kind of post-rock stalker.
that doesn't seem like a big age difference..
you're 'nearly 30' and she's '20 something'....
No its not that
Its just I am a married man and I'm honestly not looking to sex her but I worry if I start talking to someone in Starbucks cos they're clutching an indie album it'll look like I am.
That's what my friend thought anyway, and its made me fret about it. I am so starved of musical conversation (hence being on here!) that the opportunity to talk to someone with decent taste seemed great.
Well ignore your friend
they were talking nonsense, personally I'm always really happy if someone notices a shared interest and feels that they want to natter about it.
you should have done this
i would be completely happy if some random came up to me and started talking to me about music. she'd probably have loved it.
had that...
...dilemma many a time. Always best not do it.
Canterbury is a total mix now
of Chavs and indie loves. Saw a small boy in pink skinny jeans. That was an eye-opener/sore (as applicable).
It's useful, I tend to find
Because I can disassociate myself from all of them instantly. I tend to find people who dress "indie" either do it because they buy whatever crap they're told to, or really are "indie" and seemingly consider more or less their entire identity to be such (a good indication that they're impossibly uninteresting).
^ exactly what I was about to say
Dressing "indie" (or any other "scene"/stereotype) is an instant turn off for me.
i don't understand
i don't think the way i dress has a direct relation to the music i like. i wear dresses all the time without fail day in day out but that doesn't reflect on the music i listen to at all because most days when i am wearing tea dresses and a little beret with some dainty shoes i'm listening to some screaming monstrosity. it doesn't have any correlation.
^^THIS!
craine?
Oh, Klaire -
you're hilarious :D
Ditto.
Wow, I haven't used that word since the 90s.
Frequently
but it makes it all the sweeter when you actually meet the genuine article.
i hate the 'indie rock girls'
who aren't really indie rock, but 'just working a look'.
it used to be that whenever i saw them, i'd get all excited and dream about the collection of swans vinyl she has stored in her bedroom. then i'd spend the whole night working up the courage to talk to them and when i finally did, i'd save myself the excitement of finding out her favourite band. but, the excitement couldn't hold out.
"so, what's your favourite band?" i would tentatively ask, knees shaking in anticipation. 'please say weezer. or dinosaur jr. or queens of the stone age. or at the drive-in. or-'
"i really like razorlight."
MAJOR FAIL HOT GIRL
i say this to boys i dont like
Him: so what's your favourite band...?
me: Razorlight.
him: oh razorlight are wicked.
me: i also like the feeling, the twang and HardFi, they're awesome.
*pisses herself laughing*
him: what's so funny?
this distresses me in so many ways
it brings together things i love (pretty girls) and things i hate (cretins).
there should be a special badge that says 'not faking' :(
the trick would be
that only hipsters would were the 'not faking' badge.
let's make some.
like the masons... have an underground club where you have to salute funny or something to show you're into music.
good icebreaker too = winwin.
i may sound like a cunt
but growing up (16 or 17/pre-uni) me and friends used to go to indie/student nights or whatever in manchester, looking the part as dirty students despite being underage.
i don't know if it was my impressionable age or me romanticizing about this period in my life but i used to be in awe of how beautiful, different and individual some girls looked back then...they had depth, were obviously there for the music and looked truely different to the average girl around town or whatever.
these days things seem somewhat diluted and samey and for me its hard to tell who hasnt a clue and who has...but i tend to look at where i actually see a girl as opposed to specifically how she dresses before making a judgement...
yeah i kind of know what you mean...dont know if its just me feeling bitter
but yeah, everything gets bastardised eventually doesnt it?
also,
i dont think its gender-specific...ever since the rise of the pigeon detectives or whoever, blokes are looking just as dull and watered down!
^^THAT.
people
round where i live have obviously missed the 'dress indie' memo. chav central.
but then it just makes the ones with the berets and ramones t-shirt from HMV, hadouken! fan sort of girls at school feel unique. and they're the ones all the indie boys misguidedly go for, while me and my lack of vintage leather jacket are painfully ignored :(
its a real shame when you
see people wearing hadouken t shirts.
i like Hadouken
:/
Oh for fucking fuck's sake.
What the bleedin' 'eck does it matter? Why on earth should a certain style of dress be attributed to a certain type of music? Yes, it's true that in the majority of cases a natty cardigan sporting, floral welly shod, hairslide bedecked lass is indeed likely to possess musical leanings somewhere along the indie spectrum. But isn't it refreshing when that stereotype is bucked to reveal said jaunty hat wearing individual actually rather enjoys a bit of top 40 and simply dresses like that because, controversially enough, they simply find that style aesthetically pleasing? Why is that style not the "genuine article" if worn by people with different musical tastes? Why should certain musical genres own styles? What on earth is the difference anyway?
(Case in point: me jokingly suggesting to my fella that a mowwie would really suit him. Cue him responding, "I don't listen to the right type of music for that." AAAARGH!)
I don't know, I just rather like the idea of being surprised by people. Of actually having to initiate conversation in order to discover their leanings, of any variety. Of people not having invisible little tags attached stating their exact music taste, dietary preference and social class. For this reason, I applaud these so called "fakers" who've chosen to adopt the style without giving two hoots about musical connotations.
Band T shirts worn by non fans, are obviously wrong on all levels, but that's a different issue entirely.