one of the many things i have just got annoyed about. why does it always happen!
case in point, Blood Red Shoes new album...
You bring me down and Its getting boring by the sea sound about half as good as older version i had.
grrr
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Myths of the Near Future. TURN THE PRODUCTION DOWN
I sniggered at this
They should have just extended Xan Valleys and left it be.
I'm confused as to whether that snigger was "at" or "with". Plough on regardless!
i like things which are produced well
so does everyone, but this need not mean piling on the effects,
it could just mean making it relatively raw.
but rawness can be produced
even extreme lofi-ness can be achieved in the studio
the main qualm seems to be with things being too cleanly produced (amongst indie fans at least), but this can be classed as "bad" producing rather than "over" producing
Yeah, it can
My only qualm is when bands that would sound better with said produced rawness. Over produced, I see as a sub-part of badly produced.
*not my only qualm
i know what you're saying
but the pedant in me wants to point out that reproducing the "raw" sound can be a lot more effort than getting the "overproduced" sound. The word "overproduced" seems to mean "this band is raw and has been produced in a clean manner: thus there is too much production" when it really means "this band has been produced in a way which doesn't compliment their sound/vision"
Like i say, pedantry
Ah, right. Yes, pedantry
Ah well :D
douchebag makes an excellent point
I couldn't have said it better myself if I tried all night.
^ this
i hate the overproduced sound of 'box of secrets'. mainly on 'you bring me down', but it pisses me off even more with 'adhd'. i think blood red shoes are one of those bands who sound better with 'lo-fi' recording, instead of all the reverb, etc. that seems to piled on them for that album.
and...
... Erol will make sure Late of the Pier are the next victims.
have you heard the new
heartbeat.flicker.line?
murdered.
they played the older version on tour last month, thank the lord. Lets hope they go back to it...
I know...
... i'm not looking forward to the day i hear the "new" version of Mad Dogs and Englishmen or VW or Circular.
I don't like the new version of Broken on the Kitsune compilation either.
I love that Broken version!
I thought it was stunning.
and where could one
hear the new version of heartbeat? you dont mean the demo version on the myspace do you?
i think that is just some sort of remix
and not the version they plan to put on the album. i could be wrong though.
no he wont
he knows the score
^^
erol is incredible, and totally doesn't force a sound onto anyone. like half of the mystery jets album sounds like its gone in the direction of the sorts of things he remixes and djs, and half just sounds wonderful and you'd never guess he was coming from a dj/club promoter/remixer background
I guess..
.. we will see.
i've said this before
but LOTP are producing it themselves mainly. I think Erol might be involved in the mixing perhaps, but i was told by one of the band that is was going to be mostly them doing it themselves in their own studio/shed or something.
yeah and...
at the other end you get suppositories like Times New Viking, who distort the loving mittens out of everything for some wayward retro notion. That album is like listening to jabbering retarded children with dimestore instruments.
hello, muse
OOS = good production
everything else = bad production
It's all Costey's fault. I don't mind the production on BRS album, but I haven't heard an earlier version so I can't compare.
yeah its not awful
just the earlier versions were much more lo fi and much much better
Nooooooo
not this again. Shut uuuuuuup
Do You Like Rock Music?
So slick it's slippery. Bleck.
was it an oily stage?
arf
GROAAAAAN
Never mind douchebag, kanefulton
I appreciate a bad pun. :)
Forward Russia's new album
is very thickly produced.
Just like iLiKETAiNS' debut. It just doesn't kick or cut like their old stuff did. It just meanders and if you think I joke, play it alongside the older stuff.
Fucking pointless. Why do bands want their new songs to sound shit? surely they should have higher standards than we?
But no, let's just fucking stagnate and get worse and not really give a fuck but talk about innovation.
cos shit production gets on the radio
truth
you could certainly argue with Forward Russia's new stuff that the vocals are mixed insanely high in comparison with the band.
i haven't heard it
but as a rule, things with prominent vocals are the bread n butter of radio consumption. Front and centre vocals (particularly higher pitched ones) means a band will stand out on the car/work radio..
BUT
to me it's insane, I'm not a muso at all - I often don't even give a shit about bitrate, but lately the difference between debut production and follow-up is concerning.
Shouldn't it get better? It sounds so unprofessional with the a singer going nuts into the mic, and the band playing in a room down the road.
that's the way it is i'm afraid
the (extremely shitty) sound quality of iTunes and the radio means that vocals are still the most important part of any popular production (as has been the case since the transistor radio). So, anything released on a major label/with a mainstream push in mind is likely to not be produced with audio ponces in mind
Yep, I agree with…..
new British Sea Power record. Great songs but massively over-produced.
This is the whole mastering debate, isn't it?
The thing about having to sound louder and brasher than everything else to stand out on radio, which means on any less than high standard stereo it sounds horrible. And it works - the most famously badly mixed album and standard bearer for this approach is Californication, and that's sold 12m or so. At the other end of the scale, Forward Russia! have as much chance of conquering daytime radio and supermarket purchasers as I have.
The last
Foo Fighters album is apparantly becoming a bit of a classic case in point about Hyper-Mastering - its so LOUD that it atually distorts and sounds a right mess at various points (although not suprising for the Foos).
Interesting concept here thats worth a looK:
http://www.turnmeup.org/
why don't artists
use a super mastered version for the radio and a more dynamically varied master for CD reproduction.
Is this too simple, is there something I'm missing?
Basically
bad over compression.
^this
using compression too much whereby you are removing the natural dynamics of a song.
Compression is good if used in the right way, but everyone these days seem to over-compress in order to "make it loud", or "make it stand out". Arctic monkeys do this, most pop records are produced in this way as is say, Lamb of God, Machine Head.
^this
Biggest
overproduction culprit:
Jackknife Lee
Truesay
...he pretty much ruined 'A Weekend in the City' for me. However, I'm a massive, massive Dave Dave Fridmann fan and he's not ecatly the most hands-off producer in the world.
yes, what i was going to say.
Weekend... could have sounded a lot better.
foals
ymss
my main gripes
the new
Get Cape sound.
just a mash of ideas/noise = willy.
song* not sound obv.
i wouldn't say that album is 'overproduced'
rather just badly produced, it sounds shit (though the songs are good mostly), but not 'overproduced' to me.
its more the vocals
and the older stuff sounded a lot more lo fi
you really mean "bad production"
there are tons of amazing records which are produced the hell out of (odelay, olivia tremor control, etc) and conversely tons of terrible records which are barely produced at all (the last chili peppers album)
and big-budget fake lo-fi stuff (i'm looking at you, eels) is just the absolute fucking worst
icky thump (the album)
never worked out if my particular copy was fucked up, or whether the whole thing was so badly mastered that its meant to be crackling the whole way through!
i prefer
all the album versions. oh well.