why are bands so incompetent?! We're travelling 290 miles in a tiny car yet a band who lives approximately 5 miles away on the tube still cant manage to bring their own amps?!
bands suck arse
why are bands so incompetent?! We're travelling 290 miles in a tiny car yet a band who lives approximately 5 miles away on the tube still cant manage to bring their own amps?!
bands suck arse
heh
or maybe they just can't afford their own amps and are too sad to tell you the truth?
I thought you were talking about drugs.
Shows how my mind works, not good.
Personally
I think people should be happy enough to lend equipment, if we tour we take our amps (nice valve amps) and will be happy for anyone to borrow them... if you are playing through vintage amps maybe not...
also its hard in london because most people don't drive. So for us we work in london then we'd have to travel back to essex to pick up the car to drive back to pick up our equipment from our practice room, then drive to the venue (if in central london)... we might spend 3 hours trying to do that at rush hour...
our alternative is to carry our amps on buses or tubes, which we do but can't always carry everything hence needing to borrow guitar amps at times...
where's the community spirit anyway?
I also encourage equipment share at gigs.
It makes far more sense than massive complex and pointless changeovers after every set.
We're happy to lend others our stuff and I feel others should do the same. Obviously not everyone does and you have to respect that (although I rarely encounter it) but frankly people not sharing equipment at small gigs is just a bit silly...
seconded
Changeovers are nothing but the spawn of the devil.
When we put on gigs we TELL the bands that everyone's using the same gear, and if they want to bring their fancy amps then everyone's using them.
Obviously heads etc can be switched, but all the big stuff needs to stay the same
I'm always thankful
When someone let's us use their gear. We don;t have any transport to get our gear far. Short lifts to local venues is no probs. When we played Brum our mates came and played before us and lent us their amps. I have no probs with anyone using my gear as long as they are careful with it.
i think if you are coming from afar it should only be the decent thing to do to offer the use of your bass amp or kit.
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If you're a touring band, lending your equipment out to 3 other bands every night of the week can really see it get battered quite quickly. Espcecially drum kits. What we normally say is, get in touch with us in advance of the gig to arrange a kit share. There's nothing worse than people turning up with no kit and expecting to use someone elses. It's just rude. I once went to a gig where a guy from another band asked if he could use my guitar. I said that was fine as long as we could use their drummer and singer in our set. He didn't see my point. I didn't lend him my guitar.
But yeah,in the interst of a smooth running night it is easier to share kit.
I've lent my guitar at a few gigs
long as they were nice about asking
deffo wouldn't go sarc-tastic at them.
There is no chance in Hell
I would lend someone my bass. Especially if it was some screamo numpty, jumping around and doing cartwheels.
Fuck. That.
Played with some band once who were misrable cunts. Didnt ask if they could borrow my amp, just assumed and proceeded to use it as a beer matt whilst on stage.
If the bass player wasnt so fit and female, I may have issued a cold slap.
We bought one of these each
http://www.50plushealth.co.uk/media/images/S439_Easystairs_triplewheel_shopping_trolley_L.jpg
(we took the bag bit off)
and some of these each
http://www.keepercorp.com/prod/image/HD_Hook.jpg
And made ourselves possibly the least popular people on the tube on every gig day.
but yeh, I'm always happy to lend amps, most bands that don't are cunts. S'not like they're going to ruin them by playing guitars through them. Never really understood the concern.
Your amps must be fairly small, though?
Or lightweight (which I approve of). I have a Roland Cube 60 original and I can get it to gigs on public transport, but my old Marshall 2x12 Valvestate 100W thing weighed so much and was so bulky it wouldn't have really helped to have wheels like that (I've tried with similar before).
Imagine trying to move a Vox AC30 with that! :D
Experience
dictates overwise. I've seen a borrowed amp go when some guy cranked the thing for stupid amounts of distortion.
But yeah, I lend my amp out - you have to in London really. What does piss me off though is when people just turn up on the night on the assumption that it's ok. I'll usually say no, and let them sweat it out for a few minutes.
I agree with that.
I mean whilst equipment sharing's fine there is an etiquette that you figure it out beforehand.
That said any promoters worth their salt should sort out who's bringing what and liase with bands as necessary. It amazes me how many promoters neglect to do this.
Yup
Really quite annoying when doing a gig and the other bands are asking if they can borrow this and that. Get it sorted before hand and it's fine but when people just turn up without stuff and then ask they are basically expecting you to lend them stuff.
This happened in London once and band borrowed amps, cymbals, snare and sticks..pissed off when we played and didn't say thanks after the gig. Poor form.
You are bloody lucky if you can move amps on public transport.
Distance in London isn't really the point. So for them to bring amps, chances are they have to get a cab and that cab will be run by a CUNT who'll charge 'estate car rates' because you use the boot (YES!) so if their amps are in one place that means likely them paying about 20 - 30 quid each way; if the amps are separate then it's probably more like 20-30 per amp.
Anyway, we once played a gig in Camden that, thanks to bad amp logistics and the drum kit, cost us in the region of £130 to get our equipment to.
You're coming in a car anyway so it makes sense that they'd question whether you can bring amps and everything: a lot of bands have vans for this sort of thing.
See above
trolleys FTW.
Still a bit of a ball-ache
but doable.
See above, see above
to my reply.
Trolleys can only work with certain amp sizes. Our current bass amp is one of the only good one's I've ever seen that can actually be manhandled onto public transport.
Saying that, I've carried a full drumkit on buses and done similar so I also agree with your point. But it was so much trouble. The idea that somehow bands can just get there easily is wrong.
ours are these
http://www.rocksguitars.com/images/fender-blues.jpg
http://www.nzmusician.co.nz/images/0603/Mesa3.jpg
So yeah...see your point.
They're definitely heavy enough to cause probs.
AC30 would be Loldmcdonaldhadafarm to move in rush hour.
Yep
I've got an ac30 and i'm gonna be trying the old bus routine with it for the first time this friday during rush hour... we'll see how that works out! (Its only a single speaker tho so its a little bit lighter!)
A mate
used to shift his on public transport by bungying a skate board to the bottom of it. Worth a thought.
On the trolleys thing
Lidls have folding ones at the moment that can carry up to 120kg. A bargaintastic £17.99 - I bought ine on saturday.
What's your bass amp by the way?
ummm
I'm not sure what our bass amp is actually! Thats bad... I never look at it that closely... its also just a single speaker so it is portable aswell... why do you ask?
- that trolley thing sounds good!
I've been thinking
about getting something small and portable for just this reason. Use a SWR Workingman 15 for portability, but it's still way too heavy at about 65lbs.
Can' afford Markbass stuff, so been thinking about building a BFM Omni 10.5 (about 26lbs - half the size shown here) http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Omni10.html
and an Ashdown little Giant http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product.asp?id=8586
The whole lot would weigh around 33lbs.
some bus drivers don't allow anything with wheels
i wasn't allowed on the 73 because my holdall had wheels
But but, the bendy buses are 'wheels friendly'
The guy was being a twat!
i prefer smoking theirs
Sharing is good in most walks of life
It would be annoying if they are asking you to bring more then you can actually manage and living really close. Only thing not to be lent is guitars...unless its due to major string breakages during a set. Once i lent Cats & Cats my guitar but forgot to tell them we were half a step down = horrible noise ... DOH!!
Most of the time its ok
But the gigs I dread are the 7-8 band bills, when the promoters just dumped you all there and people are asking stupid stuff. Or hiding their gear so they can use .yours I had a guy ask to borrow a guitat strap last year....fucking ridiculous.
Im always happy to lend 4 x 12 cabs as it assists changeover.
Our guitar rigs are fairly specific to us in their set up but I have lent mine to people. The real cunts are the ones who whinge and complain that its "not a Fender Twin" and I just think what selfish self obsessed cunts they truly are. Buy yer own amp you cunts
agreed about
promoters should really coordinate bands to make sure that equipment is shared, we've dealt with some complete bastards recently who, while saying they weren't bringing gear because it was too expensive, were quite happy to let us as the non headliner incur the cost of bringing drumkit/bass amp/guitar amp and not offering anything towards that. the point is if the promoter had stepped in and said "headliner, can you bring this, this and this, next band can you bring your own etc" then nights would be a lot more organised, there would actually be some cameraderie between the bands playing and it wouldn't be such a nightmare for all involved, surely?
Failing that, if a band has paid taxi fares for equipment then I don't think the band should be considered out of order for asking the other bands to contribute to the cost, especially when london taxis are concerned.
in london never hada problem lending equipment and usually the other way round
One band came, made a point of avoiding to talk to us and just asked the promoter if they could use our gear..the promoter told them to talk to us..they didn't..they declined to sound check...came back and used our gear..
Only travelled far to another city once.
There we hired amps from a local shop and the promoter took it to the venue in the van and contributed from his own money
I see your point on the latter
but at the same time think it's something to be agreed with the other bands beforehand.
That said I think it's even less out of order, if everyone is sharing, to ask the promoter to contribute to the taxi cost (again provided it's done before the gig).
Basically getting equipment to a venue is a cost that must be met before any gig can go ahead so if the promoter is relying on one band to bring that equipment (and the band had to spend more getting to the venue than they would if they had not brought the equipment) I think that band are more than within their rights to point this out to the promoter and request that he or she covers, or at least contributes to, the cost.
True, but I hate bands who insist on using all their own equipment more
Case in point: played a gig on Friday evening, 6 bands plus DJ, charity event. 3 of the 6 bands insisted on using all their own drum kit and amps. I mean, come on?? As if 6 bands using the same equipment wasn't hard enough already...
That's just ridiculous.
LOL @ Londoners
I keep my car in the garage at the bottom of my block of flats. I then load whatever equipment I need from my spacious flat into my car, and then I drive to the venue, which usually takes no more than 10 minutes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA
http://www.50plushealth.co.uk/media/images/S439_Easystairs_triplewheel_shopping_trolley_L.jpg
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Be funny one day if it was on bricks
;)
Exhibit a
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/ehwhat/cip.jpg
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
That's exactly what it's like up here. I played at Levenshulme Bowls Club last week, it was wild.
yes
we have it so hard with our multitude of gigs every night.
Indeed
I'll bet your tubes are completely rammed with errant musicians wheeling around the Fender Twin they've haphazardly loaded into a shopping trolley.
Manchester
has a population about the size of just two London boroughs. It's tiny. No wonder it takes you ten minutes.
And people do have cars in London as well, you know.
So your point is?
Has anyone got one of them POD Line guitar DI sound box doofer things?
Saves carrying an amp round on the tube, but are they any good?
No
.
nah avooid those unless you are doing some acosutic gig and you are plugging into the desk or someth
The best bet ias just contact other bands before the gigs, talk to promoters. Work it out before hand. That's what we do. Well i do anyway, the others just leave me to it, bastards :P
It annoys me when promoters don't think to speak to bands
about kitshare beforehand, and then no-one turns up with a bass amp.
I don't have a problem with anyone borrowing my amp, but it's nice to ask beforehand rather than assuming- also if we're on first and the headliner wants to borrow an amp, but I've got somewhere else to be.. then tough.
Slanterous i know
but there's a pub in Brum where my mates band left his bass by mistake and our singer left his bag (complete with mic and leads in). When we contacted the promoter he knew nothing of the bass. You wouldn;t would you is if was a Firebird. He had our bag. Yes minus the mic. They left the leads and the kazoo.
Dodgy as fuck.
Promoters are often not very nice people. My friends do gigs ona friday in my town at a great irish pub. They are the nicest people you'll meet.
www.myspace.com/thedarkblueboogaloo
Slanderous i meant
The Go! Club is the venue. :O