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arctic monkeys 2007

The Weekly DiScussion: no more (local) heroes anymore?

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by Mike Diver

Arctic Monkeys didn’t, so why should you? Come to London, that is, to find your fortunes, bands of this land. The Sheffield foursome were finally made to put pen to paper by a soul of industry significance when Domino’s Lawrence Bell followed his nose north of Watford to meet ‘em on their own terms, following the band’s resistance to label approaches from the south, and was rewarded with signing one of the decade’s most successful domestic rock acts. Had they polished their game in the capital? Had they fuck: they’d toured all over, under their own steam, and learnt the ropes without interference from within the M25.

Yet London is, and has been for too many years for these grey hairs to total, the place to make or break your ragtag collectives of greasy-haired bass loons and quiet-at-the-back sticksmen. Or is it? It’s a cultural melting pot, for sure, with street-walkers from all corners of the world on any given weekday; but an identifiable scene, or sound, it lacks. Nu-rave? Started as a joke didn’t it, in the bowels of the beast that is the business; just happened that leeches sucked it up and reformed the Hoxton aesthetic into a movement capable of limping up the M1. Punk rock? Sure, London was its epicentre this side of the pond, but bands that led from the front weren’t always born Londoners – The Buzzcocks rolled down from Manchester, and… Okay, most were residents through and through. But by the time Sex Pistols blew the whole party into the mainstream in ’76 the sound had permeated metropolises worldwide.

London is a city without an identity nowadays, with too many bands after too few breaks too quickly for any sense of community to develop. So why do bands come here expecting to take things to the next level? Alongside Arctic Monkeys, Edinburgh’s Broken Records are another example of a band who’ve resisted the lure of London as long as possible – they made the industry come to them, until demand was such that they had to hop the gravy train southwards. The result is a single deal with Young Turks, an XL imprint, and inevitably greater things to come before the year is out.

Says the band’s Ian Turnbull, simply: “In somewhere like London there’s far too much happening and it’s difficult to get noticed.” True – from the perspective of the music journalist whose job it is to be instrumental in the exposing of brand new talent, there’s simply too much on of an evening to cut through the crap with any degree of accuracy. Also, the capital’s culture, the culture of the industry looking down on the populous from shiny towers in Kensington and Hammersmith, is prone to chewing up and spitting out acts when it suits them, another fact Broken Records appear to have been rightly wary of. Says the band’s Andy Kennedy:

“If you do something in London that’s a bit interesting you end up getting hyped and generate a bandwagon after four gigs when you’ve not had time to develop yourself. We’ve had countless gigs in the last year where no-one has noticed us and that’s given us time to get tighter and develop to the point where we’re ready to move on. So there’s no danger of someone saying to us, ‘Right that’s interesting, go and do this’. Then, all of a sudden… Destitute.”

Local scenes rich in community spirit and collective mindsets – progress through combined learning curves, collaborative gigging and recording – has in the past produced some of this nation’s greatest outfits. Bristol has spawned the likes of Tricky and Massive Attack, and to a similar extent Portishead, whose Geoff Barrow says of his hometown’s scene:

The (Bristol) sound to me is where punk meets hip-hop and reggae, like The Pop Group and early Massive Attack, and Smith & Mighty. Tricky was absolutely that – he was more a punk than a rapper.”

These significant acts may not have made it out of their own ghettos without the spirit that courses through their earliest material, the sounds that ultimately got them noticed by capital dwellers without needing to relocate. Not every local scene is healthy though, of course, as Thomas Wagstaff of Birmingham punks Beestung Lips recently observed:

There is a lot of dross that you have to wade through. It seems that the younger section of the Birmingham scene want to listen to ironic dance music and get off their faces on pills. And to be honest with you I’d rather do the same thing than face another lacklustre gig at the Dog and Trumpet. Live music and music in general is dying because people are trying to do things the industry’s way. People should kick back and spit in the face of the shiny equipment and pay-to-play attitude of the industry. Too many bands are prepared to jump through hoops like performing monkeys. We are not performers.”

Vitriolic words, but with good reason: a handful of bands are realising that subscribing to accustomed routes – accustomed through repetition rather than any persistently proven methodology to the madness – isn’t likely to benefit their progress. Stateside, local scenes are more obviously prevalent due to distances dividing settlements of truly sizable populations, something Be Your Own Pet’s Jonas Stein alludes to:

There was a really good hardcore scene (in Nashville). DIY hardcore bands. These awesome bands came through (venue Guido’s Pizza) with small numbers of dedicated fans and we were the youngest ones there - 13, 14, 15 - and we used to hang around with people in their mid-to-late 20s, early 30s. So we were exposed to this hardcore party environment ‘cause they would still sell beer there, everyone would get shit-faced except for the kids. It’d be us getting in the mosh-pit with these 30-year-old dudes. I think that was very important ‘cause at that age you’re very impressionable and we were lucky to be exposed to that and the four of us understood and bonded with that type of music. I think you can hear the influence from Guido’s Pizza still in there today.”

There’s no shame in adopting a magpie approach to widen personal creative horizons, but the UK has enjoyed its share of local scenes bearing usually press-determined nomenclatures – Madchester, shoegaze (perhaps more of a national thing than limited to a specific region), trip-hop, Grebo (ergh) – and continues to with the (albeit not press-named) ‘Bosspop’ movement currently coming out of Liverpool, headed by bands like Elle S'appelle – read Kenn Taylor’s investigation into the city’s present scene here. But occasionally peeps are partial to diving into the deep end a little too swiftly, as was the case with the clumping together of relative randoms to establish ‘Thamesbeat’. One act caught up was The Maccabees, whose Orlando Weeks has said:

“Thamesbeat – the only ridiculous thing with that was when people tried to give it a name…Mystery Jets, Jamie T – some of the best bands in the land came from that, but it wasn’t that together, more just a bunch of people we met along the way.”

Not a strict community then, more some critically-approved artists placed in a temporarily convenient box for the sake of running them on the same page. See also: shit-gaze, and its associating of Eat Skull and Times New Viking with Psychedelic Horseshit. Oh, no, wait.

The point? Got lost somewhere up there, so let’s skip to the start again: if Arctic Monkeys have proven that you don’t need to move to London to make your band your living, and Broken Records looking likely to follow them, just why do so many bands up sticks to bum around Hackney bedsits ‘til it’s 10pm and they can play six songs to eleven people over at whatever shitty bar’s made itself a nice flyer this week? (Or are these examples true rarities; is the industry full of lazy fatties who can only shuffle as far as the Water Rats once a week?)

Are local British scenes still affluent, or has the spread of social networking sites such as MySpace rendered these geographically-bracketed collectives redundant, as movements can spread faster and wider than ever before? Where are the local scene salvations, the acts sticking to their creative guns and equalling a powerful artistic influence on the up-and-comers about them? Those that have made their cities their own. The Courteeners? Perhaps, perhaps. But they’re shite, innit.

Ultimately, will a band like The Ape-Shits ever make it outta Austin, Texas with a name like that?!

DiScuss



Examples?

I have lived here plenty long, and such is the abundance of variety that you'd be hard pushed to deem any collection of acts a community. There's no group sounds bubbling - just a chatter of shout-over-the-other noises.


Certainly the UK antifolk scene for one.

I'm not saying it's great musically (some of it is - David Cronenberg's Wife, for example - but a lot of it isn't) but if you go to any kind of antifolk festival that sense of atmosphere and friendship amongst the acts and audience is brilliant.

Similarly there's various other DIY movements and collectives I'm aware of (the Blang nights and Hungamunga nights for example) where there is a real sense of community spirit and friendship amongst the acts involved with them. In my experience the DIY scene in general in London is in extremely good shape (at least in terms of infrastructre - quality's always up for debate) and if you know where to look you can find incredibly friendly, sociable and supportive people putting on and playing nights.


Lots of people putting on and playing nights...

...yep... but not exactly a lot of people seeing these shows, at least not in my experience. The 'pay to play' set-up's still quite common too isn't it? I guess you'll know abut this better than I.


It is.

But you can function without playing those shows of the other sharks who stick 5 unrelated bands on then can't be arsed to promote the gig.

In terms of numbers you're certainly at least partially right - the UK antifolk festivals I mention inevitably sell out (admittedly the 12 Bar isn't huge) and some of the other nights I mentioned get decent numbers in.

I mean you are largely right - it's obviously a hard slog for independent bands and promoters trying to do stuff in London and it can be hard to find people who are interested in engaging in any form of community or mutual support system (there's countless bands that just want to be 'huge' and regard everyone else as a rival to be overcome).

I don't doubt for a second that, in many ways, London is the hardest city in the UK to get noticed in a band and there will ALWAYS be a bigger and/or more hyped or critically acclaimed band playing the same night you are.

I rememeber what a nightmare it was when I first trying to get gigs in London and the fact it's so hard to get a gig when you aren't making music in a clearly definable genre or can't guarantee an audience is the very reason why I think it's so important to work within the DIY scene in London to try to stop others having the same problem.

But there are good promoters out there who want to make a difference and are doing a good job. And many of them don't necessarily have big audiences or much attention from the press (understandably as there's so many things to be at) but they do have really good atmospheres and a genuine sense you're part of some wider community.


I mean obviously there's not one big community 'cos London's massive place

but there's lots of small musical communities about the place with a brilliant sense of atmosphere and camraderie.

I do certainly take on board the point it's almost impossible for a new band in London though.

And it is true if you move in the same circles as music journalists you get over-hyped before you're ready and if you don't move in the same circles then it's highly unlikely the music journalists will ever find you 'cos they've got so much going on within their own circle.

It can be done though. There's nowt like a challenge...


Very true.

It depends of course on how welcoming the community is. But you make a very, very valid point.


The debate regarding

local scene versus the big city is as old as music itself.

For a perfect illustration of this dilemma, check out the excellent documentary "Made In Sheffield" (www.sheffieldvision.com/aboutmis.html) about the city's late 70s/early 80s musical development. In the documentary one of the members of The Extras recalls in a rather self-depreciating way that they decided to relocate to London just as the music industry turn their attention to Sheffield, and as a result their career never takes off, whereas the bands who stay local (Human League, Heaven 17, ABC et al) all make it to the top. It's a good story about being in the right place at the wrong time.


It's the same in a lot of places

though. Nottingham's been kind of monopolised by a major promotions company so the independent promoters have to look mainly at non-venues (as it were) to put gigs on.
This in turn makes booking quality out-of-town bands nigh on impossible - particularly those signed with agents - as the first sign of success will see the agents tout them to the highest bidder which is always going to be said promotions company, regardless of any pre-contractual agreement.
I guess you have to either get on with it or get out. After two-and-a-bit years we decided to get out, although we may return in due course...


i wish

the courteeners would fuck off to london i'm sick of the site of them!


on the subject on bands in the hype...

its true, there are too many bands out there that get fired into the hype and then implode, when they could have reli made something. its a shame reli, its true with all these networks like myspace bands are getting recognised before even gigging once (dioyy e.g.) or with onli being round a small while (team waterpolo e.g.) and then magizines such as NME picking them up and throwing them into the scene, while theres some reli great bands flogging their way through, with no reognition. so yea, thts about it, good on u i sopose...


"London is a city without an identity nowadays"

I don't like the way this article completely disregards non-band music e.g. dubstep, grime, drum'n'bass, etc. which are all very much London sounds. Go to FWD>> at Plastic People and you'll soon realise there IS a London sound, it's just not being made by skinny white boys with floppy hair and guitars.


good post

exactly what DiScussion articles are meant to do - get you guys giving us reasons to think again about things, to check new things out, cos heaven knows four guys in a basement can't be on the ball all of the time ;o)

mx


My lot play London more often than our hometown now

But that was simply because we were offered gigs there, not all promoters are bad either, some are lovely, Dis gave us many beers when we played J7 & we supported Wry recently at The Bull & Gate and Rob the promoter was a lovely fella, he put 3 bands on with a similar theme and it was a really good night. He really promoted it too.

Just to Echo Doms comments We've just been offered a load of Nottingham gigs this week, but last year we used to really struggle to get local gigs.

What we did get offered was lots of 7 band bills of bands with no similarity or common thread, which IMHO doesnt exactly make for a great experience when your tripping over each others amps and one band hogs soundcheck etc. The you've got a wannabee Slayer on before you and something that sounds like Clearlake on after, I'm not sure audiences really stay around beyond seeing their mates nowadays.

But I think Mr Wisdom makes a very valid point regarding London. We've play so many gigs with careerist indie bands trying to get the NME's attention and it all seems so manafactured and plastic,

Toni & Guy Haircut - Check
1970's Fender Telecaster Custom - Check
Floppy Scarf- Check
Blake Fielder Civil Style Hat- Check
Strummy skiffle lite anthems - Check

I'm not sure you can have your own sound if its so dictated by what you think will get you signed, the tail is wagging the dog. Funnily enough these bands always have a manager barking into a mobile phone in a corridor looking empowered yet there playing at our level and we manage ourselves?


promoters and community

There are some really great promoters out there putting on shows at "non-venues", giving good bands a chance. I've just come off tour and was pleasantly surprised at how many helpful little collective groups there out there (and passionate individuals)who are doing their damnest to keep the underground fertile.

Even in Manchester where we (plug plug) put nights on, though, there's a big spectrum of what i'd call appreciation for live music. Pay to play is alive and well but there is a part of me that thinks if a young band hasn't been screwed by those types of promoters then they haven't really tried.

There are other promoters (typically in bands themselves) who just want to put good bands on and will take the hit personally and often if it doesn't break even. Breaking even usually meaning that bands get their expenses paid i.e. petrol. But this isn't really sustainable for any band that wants to just play and record and I think that is the worst part of the current situation.

Back on topic though, communities in music tend to be fickle things. Egos and inescapable competition tend to flavour the natural tendancy of people to work together and support each other in a common goal. That was my experience of london, not that different to Manchester really.


london does have musical communities

infact its not that much different to most places in the country. There's generally venues/promotion companies where lots of the acts know each other.

I dont see why a 'music community' should necessarily mean that the bands should sound similar though. infact that's often a bad thing.

journalists (who have some romanticised idea about punk and haven't really had anything to label and sell to us since Brit Pop) generally just want to be able to stick a name on a general sound, and I think in turn that's why labels are looking outside of London ('New Rave' excluded), because it's easy to find two half decent bands from the same little town no one's heard of and go "oh there's a loads of bands from this it must be some musical hotbed."


London's Lazy

I would say that London is still where you have to end up if you are a band wanting to earn yourself a contract and gain nationwide recognition, examples such as the Arctic Monkeys are not too regular. This can sometimes work in favour of bands outside the capitol, without decent venues to play, record companys to hassle, cool clothes stores to design their image bands are actualy left with nothing to do but actually rehearse, hone their craft and find an artistic direction they wish to persue. I have to say that when i was a touring musician i regularly played with talented, intersting and unique bands around the country booked by a promoter who obviously cared about his night and spent hours listening to all the demos he had collected, most of the London ones were laughable...obviously rehearsed some half baked songs once or twice, called there promoter friend and got on a bill without being heard by anyone....i sometimes wondered if London promoters existed or if nights were put together by a basic computer, did they actually think that the music we made would go with a hip hop artist, a jazz/rock fusion band and a metal band?? Or did they just not give a fuck, me thinks the latter.


this is an awesome article

Mike, well done, you've proved there is still some sense and interesting discussion left.

To be honest, I think I'm gonna go all out and just say the whole country is a bit of a mess. The sense of "community" was increasingly weeded out during the 80's and 90's (that's not just music, that's society generally) and now getting your band noticed, particularly with social networking on the go, seems completely random and luck based. As a country, we are simply too small and too packed in to really make that kind of an impact and our media knows this and saturates it as much as possible, particularly where you compare to America where basically every major city has a definable sound or sounds and some great bands come out of that.

Now anyone who knows me will know I have pretty little faith in British music as it is anyway; (literally, a very small percentage of the music I listen to is British because I simply don't see the appeal, and besides we haven't done anything truly important since The Smiths - I would argue) so perhaps I'm biased, but to make up for it, I've toured this country a couple times and was signed to a London based indie label (Holy Roar).

But to be honest I can't say I've found that goldmine "community" everyone's looking for in the country. The closest I've come to it would be the Leeds/Sheffield connection (a part of the country renowned for it's sense of community anyway) where there are some very good bands whom share space and time with each other (probably because of the massive influx of students in that area).

Where I come from (Norwich) music has been dead for about 20 years. It had a brief re-appearance at the turn of the millennia when people found The Ferryboat (which we're still missing badly to this day) as a new hotbed and for a while we had both a great Hardcore and Indie scene. Since that's closed though it's pretty much all but dried up with a similar situation to the guy who posted about Nottingham.

I think the guy who made the point that London actually is really good for non-guitar based music had a very good point, Electronic music has been thriving there for some time. Otherwise though, London's a difficult one. It is, as someone pointed out, far too massive to really have a community, but for a valid music scene? There are some areas perhaps but really it seems more about bands commuting. My band have only played London a couple times so far (despite being on a London based label) and they have not been necessarily any better or worse than any shows anywhere else. All it means is that there is a greater chance that more people will come, by default if nothing else.

I talked to Chris from CPWK about this on tour and he pretty much agreed once I put it to him, Britain's idea's of "mainstream" and "underground" are generally too blurred to make a difference. I mean take Rolo Tomassi, they all met/grew up in this tiny village just outside of Barnsley and were fortuned with friends who spread the word to other friends and so on. They as a band just carried on working hard and now they are in probably one of the best places a British band can be in right now (Underground appreciation, Mainstream bothering).

So I think my point is, it doesn't really matter any more where in the country you are based. You just have to be prepared to work hard and travel anywhere who will take you and try and give the best you can everywhere you go and just hope more people will take notice and like you, particularly in a country that's so obsessed with being spoon fed everything you have to just keep on working and try to have fun with it - I know I did when I was involved with it, and I can't wait to get back into it, wherever I end up.