conjured up an image of him cosing up next to the local murderers and undesirables, attempting to make new edgey friends by getting his guitar out for an impromtu jam then being repeatedly beaten with said instrument as they shout out "take that you junky talentless cunt". Shame it was just a day dream.
There's a lot of hostility here towards Pete. I'm not a fan but I never understood why so many people claim to hate him so much. They're usually cite the fact he uses drugs. Are the DrownedinSound users really that critical towards drug users? I thought many many people here would be recreational users themselves.
Seriously I am curious as to why so many people dislike the guy. I don't see what he's done to piss so many people off.
and its the same for anyone else, you just dont hear about it. personally hes not really harming anyone else directly through the drug taking. indirectly maybe but thats a whole other issue.
I never actually said he was above the law. The point I was making is that the general public are aware that he has had many court appearances for many offences and managed to dodge prison on a fair few occasions.
If you had said what you just said there i wouldnt have a problem. But the way you said it previously was the constant 'oh if it was a normal person' thing which just isnt right.
I really don't want to draw this out but it's something I find genuinely interesting. What are the acts of 'general shitness' you mention?
And so you agree that people should be sent to prison for getting high in private? Granted I don't know much about his drug use (apart from him giving a joint to a penguin)but it's just him getting smacked up I don't know what people get so worked up about.
Look at the replies before mine man, some of them are really vicious. 'Druggy cunt' and the like. I still don't get the hostility.
general shitness = drugged driving, criminal damage, not turning up to court appearances etc, etc
"I don't know much about his drug use" - he has been caught in possession of heroin and other class A drugs on several occasions. No matter what your opinion is on 'recreational' drug use is, I'm afraid, it is just an opinion. It is a criminal offence and one that a lot of repeated offenders do go to prison for. Many a time it is as a last resort but this young man has been given many chances.
and as for him "just getting smacked up" the bloke is a grown up. He has a child. He is supposedly a role model to this child.
I do not think he is a 'druggy cunt'. I think The Libertines were bloody brilliant. I think he has problems which are not easily rectified and this has led him to act very irresponsibly.
Drugged driving, criminal damage and I've just thought he went through a period of not turning up to gigs etc. which honestly, is a bit out of order when the people you're letting down really love your music and just want to see you play. All that stuff is pretty hard to excuse, and the fact he's got a kid, well...I'm sure the kid will turn out alright but you never know.
What I don't get is people posting stuff like daydreaming about him being beaten in prison and stuff. I just find a lot of people have this savage hate for the guy, yet when I ask why, they can never really seem to answer. And I can't take anyone saying they hate him 'cause he uses drugs seriously. So he's done heroin, so what? How did it bother any of the posters above my post? But yeah you're right, if he's getting preferential treatment then that's plain wrong.
I realise I'm ranting at you as if you are one of these people, so sorry for that. The sheer amount of Doherty-hate I hear just has me confused.
a lot of people are really really really really fucking sick of hearing about him and resent him thusly - particularly as his 'talent', the thing that supposedly propelled him to this fame, is pretty debatable [i think there's a bit more widespread sympathy for amy winehouse, because whether or not you like the gal's songs, lady can seriously sing, you couldn't call her a waste of space]. one could blame the media but it's not like he hides from them. seems like he courts it pretty readily, which, given he's repeatedly breaking the law, comes across as arrogant.
in his own head Doherty is this elegant shabby chic hybrid of Oscar Wilde, Dylan Thomas and Ray Davies. In reality he is a hybrid of Steptoe (of Steptoe and Son fame) and Chas N Dave. The few reasonably hummable tunes he has made have been eclipsed by his own attempts to flush his (and those around him; Kate Moss?!) lives down the toilet cos shooting up (and being a scabby Junkie) is more important than being remembered for having a decent body of work. In short I think his drug taking is a studied attempt to be some kind of hard living rock legend therefore he is even more detestable as he is a fake.
When it comes to drugs he's clearly pretty stupid and it does seem (to many of us) that some of the quantities and variety of drugs he keeps getting caught with would have entitled ordinary folk to a stay in prison earlier than this. Perhaps he is caught up in a romantic vision of the tortured artist or whatever, who really knows. He hasn't come across like that in the interviews I've seen on tv, but maybe.
I can see why people would be tired of him and his perceived antics but the hate does puzzle me.
If you're going to hate people for being junky twats then there's an awful lot of cds you might want to put in the bin.
I can tell you that Pete is not the only person to have escaped prison after numerous offences.
This is because prisons...
a) do fuck all to help people with their addictions &
b) are at bursting point
I never thought I'd see such old school Daily Mail views on the DiS board. Comments like "scabby junkie" and "druggy cunt" are pretty disgraceful if you ask me.
Especially as most people on this site adore lots of musicians who have taken their fair share of Class As.
presumably many of the people you work with are victims of circumstances and have had a lot of bad luck. Doherty comes across as someone who deliberately courts controversy and as I said he comes across as someone who has carefully constructed this image of being first and foremost all about drugs. Lots of my favourite musicians probably have and do take class As but they are more famous for their music and have the tunes to back it up.
but these terms weren't designed to put down the average joe trying to turn their lives around and are victims themselves but the waste of space i think Pete Doherty is.
many addicts actually try and help themselves/use the support provided to them once their problems are recognised by themselves and those around them. While it's fair to say that Doherty's made some steps in the right direction, he's not really done enough to prove that he's serious about kicking the habit and geting himself straight. The number of chances and warnings he's had over the past few years speaks for itself.
i wish he would hurry up and die
him and winehouse come to think of it.
amy winerhouse
is cool man. if she dies then im gonna have to get smacked up
yeeeeeah
thats good thinking
Well..,
I read that as "amy winehouse is a cool man"
True dat.
oh yes!
put em both down, overrrated smack rats!
I misread that as 14 years at first
It would have been 14 years if the judge had heard his album
hahah :D
ZING!!!
1-0
potd
Normal people
have been sent down for that long for possessing the amount of drugs he has
e.g?
Imagine a PD Solo show at the Royal Albert Hall
maybe this is for the best.
I'm surprised...
...he even showed up at all!
With his time keeping abilities.
At least now you won't be spending money on an empty stage for his upcoming gigs.
I really wanted this thread to be about Ken Doherty.
Pasty-faced twerp.
This may affect this
http://drownedinsound.com/articles/3142328
oh noes!
"looking into grounds for appeal"
It's enough to make a dog laugh. Take your punishment like a man, my son, lordy knows it's been a long time coming.
Oooh do you think he'll take it up the bum in there?
Bring back the old memories for him
Best news ever
Surely he's rich enough to pay other people to carry his drugs
Like Naomi Cambell used to, thus avoiding these embarassing incidents.
Cant wait to hear the stories about him and Blake fielder civil tearing it up on the inside.
And no im not talking about asses!
Cest La Vie.......
perhaps he'll be holed up with Winehouses pathetic excuse for a husband.
They can take smack and die,
together.
this
generations mandela
or
Jesus?
No
no
*mandelson
*mandelbrot
What a joke
He'll have more drugs around him in prison than he does in his Wiltshire mansion. What a complete waste of time & taxpayers money...
I'm talking about the decision, not Doherty
To quote William Rees-Mogg quoting Alexander Pope
"Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel?"
Me for one. Stamp on the druggy cunt.
^^^^
Post of the week -- and it's only Tuesday!
This got boring so long ago.
I can't believe people still pay to go see him. A complete and utter tool, if ever there was one.
not long enough.
POTTY PETE
yes, it is truly amazing that people still pay money to see this twat. He really is the most ridiculous person in the music biz.
I'm actually fairly surprised
He seemed to be keeping out of the papers recently. Unlike a couple of years ago where there was literally a new story every other day.
He'll be out in 7 weeks
No?
Just went on the NME news bit and this is the 4th story
http://www.nme.com/news/babyshambles/35746
Good timing to go to prison!
all of this talk of Doherty in jail
conjured up an image of him cosing up next to the local murderers and undesirables, attempting to make new edgey friends by getting his guitar out for an impromtu jam then being repeatedly beaten with said instrument as they shout out "take that you junky talentless cunt". Shame it was just a day dream.
Wow
There's a lot of hostility here towards Pete. I'm not a fan but I never understood why so many people claim to hate him so much. They're usually cite the fact he uses drugs. Are the DrownedinSound users really that critical towards drug users? I thought many many people here would be recreational users themselves.
Seriously I am curious as to why so many people dislike the guy. I don't see what he's done to piss so many people off.
He's a talent vacuum
And a lot of idiots who don't know any better are prepared to indulge his delusion that he's a cross between Blake and Coleridge.
The smack is neither here nor there. Oh yes, he's got a doughy face and all.
there is a bit of a difference...
...between recreational drug users and people who dodge prison as often as he has for drug related offences and general shitness.
I don't think people genuinely dislike him, I just think people are getting a bit sick of him being above the law.
hes not above the law. the law is just a bit shit
and its the same for anyone else, you just dont hear about it. personally hes not really harming anyone else directly through the drug taking. indirectly maybe but thats a whole other issue.
I just hope he has a good wash
he fucking needs one.
Well argued
why would I have felt the need to argue
you made a point. Well done.
I never actually said he was above the law. The point I was making is that the general public are aware that he has had many court appearances for many offences and managed to dodge prison on a fair few occasions.
you said 'I just think people are getting a bit sick of him being above the law.'
If you had said what you just said there i wouldnt have a problem. But the way you said it previously was the constant 'oh if it was a normal person' thing which just isnt right.
as in the general consensus (people) think that he has been above the law
which I shall re-iterate. Not my personal opinion mate. I was merely suggesting why people don't like him and are quite happy to see him go down.
I was responding to the comment "I don't see what he has done to piss so many people off".
It was a mere suggestion.
Yeah but when you read it along with the rest of that post
cant you not see why i might think its your personal opinion?
*can
I always talk about myself in the third person
and my name is people.
righto
Sorry
I really don't want to draw this out but it's something I find genuinely interesting. What are the acts of 'general shitness' you mention?
And so you agree that people should be sent to prison for getting high in private? Granted I don't know much about his drug use (apart from him giving a joint to a penguin)but it's just him getting smacked up I don't know what people get so worked up about.
Look at the replies before mine man, some of them are really vicious. 'Druggy cunt' and the like. I still don't get the hostility.
hes not in radiohead
urgh
general shitness = drugged driving, criminal damage, not turning up to court appearances etc, etc
"I don't know much about his drug use" - he has been caught in possession of heroin and other class A drugs on several occasions. No matter what your opinion is on 'recreational' drug use is, I'm afraid, it is just an opinion. It is a criminal offence and one that a lot of repeated offenders do go to prison for. Many a time it is as a last resort but this young man has been given many chances.
and as for him "just getting smacked up" the bloke is a grown up. He has a child. He is supposedly a role model to this child.
I do not think he is a 'druggy cunt'. I think The Libertines were bloody brilliant. I think he has problems which are not easily rectified and this has led him to act very irresponsibly.
Hey
Drugged driving, criminal damage and I've just thought he went through a period of not turning up to gigs etc. which honestly, is a bit out of order when the people you're letting down really love your music and just want to see you play. All that stuff is pretty hard to excuse, and the fact he's got a kid, well...I'm sure the kid will turn out alright but you never know.
What I don't get is people posting stuff like daydreaming about him being beaten in prison and stuff. I just find a lot of people have this savage hate for the guy, yet when I ask why, they can never really seem to answer. And I can't take anyone saying they hate him 'cause he uses drugs seriously. So he's done heroin, so what? How did it bother any of the posters above my post? But yeah you're right, if he's getting preferential treatment then that's plain wrong.
I realise I'm ranting at you as if you are one of these people, so sorry for that. The sheer amount of Doherty-hate I hear just has me confused.
long and short of it is
a lot of people are really really really really fucking sick of hearing about him and resent him thusly - particularly as his 'talent', the thing that supposedly propelled him to this fame, is pretty debatable [i think there's a bit more widespread sympathy for amy winehouse, because whether or not you like the gal's songs, lady can seriously sing, you couldn't call her a waste of space]. one could blame the media but it's not like he hides from them. seems like he courts it pretty readily, which, given he's repeatedly breaking the law, comes across as arrogant.
he breathes
that's enough to piss me off :)
He always looks like he needs a bath
I'd actually forgotten he existed till this reminded me.
Gutted
I saw "oh no pete! :'(" in someone on my contacts msn personal message. They're now blocked.
you sure showed them!
Never mind all of that
Why is the NME's font so bloody huge? Sort it out!
result!
maybe it'll put all these trilbie, wife-beater wearing, hallitosis bearing bast*rds to rest.
sent down
this means Jail?
I'll expand on why I think he's a twat
in his own head Doherty is this elegant shabby chic hybrid of Oscar Wilde, Dylan Thomas and Ray Davies. In reality he is a hybrid of Steptoe (of Steptoe and Son fame) and Chas N Dave. The few reasonably hummable tunes he has made have been eclipsed by his own attempts to flush his (and those around him; Kate Moss?!) lives down the toilet cos shooting up (and being a scabby Junkie) is more important than being remembered for having a decent body of work. In short I think his drug taking is a studied attempt to be some kind of hard living rock legend therefore he is even more detestable as he is a fake.
The boy has some talent
but he hasn't done a lot with it recently.
When it comes to drugs he's clearly pretty stupid and it does seem (to many of us) that some of the quantities and variety of drugs he keeps getting caught with would have entitled ordinary folk to a stay in prison earlier than this. Perhaps he is caught up in a romantic vision of the tortured artist or whatever, who really knows. He hasn't come across like that in the interviews I've seen on tv, but maybe.
I can see why people would be tired of him and his perceived antics but the hate does puzzle me.
If you're going to hate people for being junky twats then there's an awful lot of cds you might want to put in the bin.
AS someone who works with "scabbie junkies" everyday
I can tell you that Pete is not the only person to have escaped prison after numerous offences.
This is because prisons...
a) do fuck all to help people with their addictions &
b) are at bursting point
I never thought I'd see such old school Daily Mail views on the DiS board. Comments like "scabby junkie" and "druggy cunt" are pretty disgraceful if you ask me.
Especially as most people on this site adore lots of musicians who have taken their fair share of Class As.
yeah
but those musicians have got the tunes to back it up and became famous fur the music first not the other way around.
also GS2008
presumably many of the people you work with are victims of circumstances and have had a lot of bad luck. Doherty comes across as someone who deliberately courts controversy and as I said he comes across as someone who has carefully constructed this image of being first and foremost all about drugs. Lots of my favourite musicians probably have and do take class As but they are more famous for their music and have the tunes to back it up.
I can't argue with that
I just don't like terms like "scabby junkie" or "druggy cunt".
fair enough
but these terms weren't designed to put down the average joe trying to turn their lives around and are victims themselves but the waste of space i think Pete Doherty is.
Regardless of why he started doing drugs
an addiction is a thoroughly hellish thing to go through. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Actually, that's a lie. I would wish it on my worst enemy. But that's because I'm a cunt.
Yes, but
many addicts actually try and help themselves/use the support provided to them once their problems are recognised by themselves and those around them. While it's fair to say that Doherty's made some steps in the right direction, he's not really done enough to prove that he's serious about kicking the habit and geting himself straight. The number of chances and warnings he's had over the past few years speaks for itself.
Very true.
But people rarely get clean at the first attempt.
Anyway, I was just having a moan about how some people were using his addiction as a slur, that's all.