http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7345780.stm
If "they" ever give them the Glastonbury headlining slot again, THEN I might boycott the event.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7345780.stm
If "they" ever give them the Glastonbury headlining slot again, THEN I might boycott the event.
Meh
I'm not sure that he is wrong really.
a right cock..
but i too think he's right.
Same here
He's only expressing an opinion. Nothing wrong with that in my book.
No.
NO.
I've raised this argument somewhere else and I'll do it here too. If, say, Clapton had headlined but anyone reading this didn't like him, would we have been reading wall-to-wall "blues artists shouldn't headline Glastonbury" posts on message boards? No.
His point is that Glastonbury has a tradition
of guitar music.
Glastonbury has a tradition
of all sorts of music on lots of stages.
I suppose so, yes
but I don't think it would be too out there to suggest not so much on the mainstage
He's got a point
Gallagher said: "If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Oasis have followed that saying for sure
and they lost it about oooh 10 years ago?
With the exception of Lyla, which is ace.
Depends how you define 'lost it'.
If by 'it' you mean the alternative/indie acclaim, sure.
If you mean success, and ability to still sell stadium tours in seconds, topping the chart unquestionably with every new album, then no. You're sorely wrong.
640 nights at Earls Court - how modest
He knows an Oasis sell alot of gig tickets
Saying anything else would be false modesty, which is perhaps even worse
The whole "not selling out because of Jay-Z" thing is bollocks, isn't it?
It sold out the year Rod Stewart brought his Las Vegas act to headline. Glastonbury usually sells out whoever they put on, although I'd much rather go to a festival headlined by Jay-Z than one headlined by Kings Of Leon.
Glastonbury didn't sell out
because there are so many other better festivals around, end of.
Are you a complete moron or something?
Rod Stewart was in one of the biggest and best rocknroll bands of the 70s. Although he did go off the tracks, he's like a Mick Jagger figure.
hahahahahahahaha
I'm not sure it offends me more than people desperately pretending to like rap and r&b to not look l
Why's Kanye West treated as some sort of r&b/indie crossover god? His music's shit and he's a fucking noob.
...ike big racists.
eh, why would you pretend not to dislike something for fear of looking racist?
Anyway, Glastonbury hasn't sold out because it's been muddy for the past three years of it, people can go to several little festivals spread out through the summer, which offer more 'boutiquey' experiences and erm, that's it.
Glastonbury's time is up!
Noel's not a complete cock, but his music is boring and irrelevant and he's just annoyed because he didn't get asked to play.
why do people assume
they know everyones reasons for not wanting to go?
because we've come to a joint decision
I don't know - just guessing?
Why do you think people aren't going this year?
It will sell out, so this discussion seems a bit pointless (but my question still stands)?
don't know
not really bothered to be honest
neither am i
Glastonbury has never appealed.
I just wanted to slag off Noel.
as did a few people on here
by the looks of it
do you really <3 him?
in my younger days
I had a lot of time for him, he's a bit of a caricature now though
Mr Biscuit
You have spoken the truth.
I really like his music.
And Jay-Z's, for that matter.
He's right.
They shouldn't let black people into Glastonbury.
Hear hear!
Noel Gallagher most likely is a cock.......
and he's wide of the mark here.
Glastonbury's present 'troubles' (suach as they are, the event will still sell out) are due to a number of factors including: Horrendous rain and mud year on year (and images of said rain and mud being the abiding pubic image of the event), the fact that it's simply way too crowded (they need to cut it back to 100,000 tickets, but they NEVER will) and the profusion of alternative options both at home and abroad with FAR, FAR, FAR superior line-ups and more fun on offer at a much lower price.
A critical mass of people have finally discovered what many of us have known for years, the Glastonbury 'mystique' is based more on fantasy than reality.
Ha! That's public image, NOT 'pubic' image
:D
That last paragraph
sums it up perfectly.
People like to believe Glastonbury is a mythical place with pixies and free love and everybody holding hand.
The reality however is that it's cold and wet and full of either middle-management in jester hats or disgustingly crusty hippies that you wouldn't let near your worst enemy.
When was the last time you went???
2006, I think
and 2004 as well.
You dont get that many crustys anymore that I am aware of.
Not any dodgy ones at any rate.
Just the usual teepee crowd, and the basket weavers. (thankfully!)
"Earl's Court >> O2 Centre"? The guy's such a tool.
I mean serioiusly, how is Earl's Court not every bit as soul destroying?
Jay-Z isn't the reason it's not selling out. It's clearly a multitude of factors because one act does not make a festival, headline on Saturday or not.
so he might be one of the
factors then
One of many, though.
It is silly to focus on him even if he's lowering the ticket sales.
Nah, I agree with him.
Dont try and fix what isn't broken, I couldn't agree more.
I told a friend about this
She mailed me back with the following words:
"Yes, I heard the arrogant little c**t w4nking on about that on the radio this morning. Pompous little idiot. Yes yes Noel, Glastonbury has a tradition of guitar music, that's why you'll never hear any, I don't know, world music or reggae or dance ANYWHERE ON SITE OVER THE WHOLE COURSE OF THE FESTIVAL. Just wall-to-wall guitar music, played by ugly little runts standing perfectly still while churning out uninspired and derivative solos in front of thousands of fat, lurching, beer-sodden louts. Yep, that's the Glastonbury spirit right there. Knob."
your friends sounds grate
really
Your friend speaks the truth
*stands up and claps*
yeah
the bit about louts is spot on.
You understood it was sarcastic, right?
It was taking the piss out of Gallagher claiming the festival was just a guitar festival?
I understood it perfectly
Did you understand that my post was though?
Not really. You seemed to be taking it very seriously
believe me I wasn't
just poking fun at the lazy stereotype by numbers nature of the post
THis
is a fine rant!
So what do you think about the other issues.
Like the overcrowding for example?
Selling another 30 thousand tickets, but its okay though because the camping areas have been increased. Right, so everyone will be standing around by their tents all day.
I think the thing is less a hip-hop issue and more that none of the headliners are very exciting
Part of the problem is that, huge though Jay-Z is in the US, he's not really had many massive crossover hits here (I mean he's been in the charts a few times but there's only a handful of songs that everyone knows...)
I mean surely what a lot of people want in a headliner at Glastonbury is mass singalongs (which is why it tends not to work even if a famous band tries fuckloads of new material.
For example I'm not by any means the world's biggest Radiohead fan but if Radiohead were headlining I'd go alomg, know most of the songs and enjoy it. But with Jay-Z I wouldn't know most of the songs and would probably enjoy it less.
I mean I know this site's obviously full of people who want to hear new music but I think at somewhere like Glastonbury by the time you get to the headline slot you just want a load of songs where you know all the words...
"it too Americanized"
so the staff are helpful, it opens on time and everything works OK?
^ Your spelling is too Americanised!
:D
That's a load of bollocks.
Orbital have played some of the most memorable sets in Glastonbury history. Underworld? Asian Dub FOundation? Add N to X? Cypress Hill? Fuck's sake; the list of non-indie bands that've played is endless, without even considering the Glade etc.
Noel is a cockspanner.
But were any of those main stage headliners?
The Prodigy certainly were in 1997.
Underworld were in 1998 I think.
But again with the Prodigy I refer back to my
"everyone knows fuckloads of the songs which is basically what people want from a Glastonbury headliner and the precise reason why Jay-Z isn't a great choice for headliner" argument.
Aah.
I can't stand that whole singalong thing. I'd brefer to rave like a bastard than sing along with some dreary fucker like Rod, Dave, Paul or (god forbid) Eric.
Ah but I suspect you're in a minority on ths one..
And I suspect people would rather rave like a bastard to songs they knew too...
I wouldn't...
but yes you're right; I am seemingly in a minority. Alas...
Yeah but its about whos headlining
its silly to say people would want a band they dont know to headline
Yeah everyone knows Prodigy
whether they are big fans or not. Jay Z is a bit more specific.
Okay, two different things.
I agree that Jay-Z's not got a big well-known catalogue but I thought this little branch of the discussion was sepcifically about pointing out what a load of tosh it was to claim Glastonbury was all about guitar music?
But I'm not sure anyone ever claimed it was all about guitar music
I'm not even sure that's what Noel Gallagher meant when the original comments are taken into context. From what he's talking about he seems to be against a hip-hop headliner rather than saying there should only be guitar music.
?
"Glastonbury has a tradition of guitar music and even when they throw the odd curve ball in on a Sunday night you go 'Kylie Minogue?'
I'd say that's pretty explicit about it..
But if you read the comments he seems to be talking about the headliners
rather than the festival as a whole.
Yeah but the headliners have been non-guitar bands
The popularity angle is fair enough but that's not what Noel Gallagher was banging on about.
I class these acts as indie
But that's by the by
Noels are conservative clown like most of his fans
I'm not a massive fan of the hova, they grey album with big pimpin' is ok but look of some of his singles 'excuse me miss' - too commercial, but...
Noel has shown his true colours
...
Sorry meant to put this here
I class these acts as indie
But that's by the by
Noels are conservative clown like most of his fans
I'm not a massive fan of the hova, they grey album with big pimpin' is ok but look of some of his singles 'excuse me miss' - too commercial, but...
Noel has shown his true colours
why won't it fucking reply where I want dammit, if doesn;t work, I wanted this coment under list of
I class these acts as indie
But that's by the by
Noels are conservative clown like most of his fans
I'm not a massive fan of the hova, they grey album with big pimpin' is ok but look of some of his singles 'excuse me miss' - too commercial, but...
Noel has shown his true colours
your replies have all appeared in the right place.
banning a genre
of music at a music festival...come on!!
Well, you say that, but........
Eavis effectively banned all punk, hardcore, metal and anything that rocks more than Editors after those people were crushed to death at Roskilde during a Pearl Jam set.
he didnt want
all those crazy circles pits during Betterman and Elderly Woman Behind The Counter In A Small Town
no, it's got nothing to do with hip hop
it might have something to do with Jay Z though. Much as rap fans love him, he's had barely any songs pass over into the mainstream consciousness. In fact, i can't think of any which come close to the ubiquity of any of Kanye's recent material. Now, if they'd got him to do a headliner spot then there wouldn't be anywhere near as much of a hoo-ha, because every man on the street can name and sing along to at least 5 of his songs
But it doesn't just apply to Jay Z. How many of the public at large can name a Kings of Leon song? And, barring Bittersweet and Drug's Don't Work, something similiar could be said about The Verve
^The nail has indeed been hit on the head.
yeah i would say this is a major reason
not as simple as just this though.
^Pretty much spot on
Spot on.
Even I wouldn't have been as dismayed if Kanye had've headlined.
I can honestly say that I couldn't name you anything Jay Z has ever done.
Bully for you
...
I just think..
the decision to book Jay-Z in order to 're-connect with the kidz' in the first place is pretty embarrasing.
Probably not pricing the fuckers out
would be a better way to re-connect with the kidz
I thought 'Noel' was very funny in an 'ooh I'm plain and simple with me words, me'
and why does 'rap' mean 'connecting' with the kids - 12 year olds like The Horrors probably not rap that mostly men over the age of 26 'dig'
See also: Not holding the event during exams!!!
Ha!
Exactly.
meh
Meh, he has got a point kind of, but it's not just Jay-Z, this rumour list is full of insipid crap like Duffy, Amy Winehouse, Mark Ronson and the fucking Kooks...
http://www.virtualfestivals.com/index.cfm?section=festivals.event&id=1130&mode=lineup
I think you're the cockier one.
Noel's spot on.
Why aren't I surprised?
the man is definitely
a cock - he reckons that his band are actually important.
However, Jay-Z is so wrong for glasto.
It's not a hip-hop thing, just imagine if Jurassic 5 or Dead Prez were headlining... fuckin' awesome. But Jay-Z? The man's as big a prick as Noel.
Maybe the two should just fuck and be done with it.